What was the one angle the WWE screwed up?

[Guest Loss]

God I hate you.

 

Fuck you. Agree to disagree, don't be a dick about it.

He doesn't really hate you. He's just passionate. He's said far worse to me in the past, and he loves me more than most mere mortals are able to love.

 

Just didn't know if you'd dealt with him before. Thought I'd fill you in.

 

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

You're a fucking moron if you "wouldn't change a thing" about Benoits run. This is not an "agree to disagree" situation, its a "Did Roy eat paint chips as a kid" situation.

 

I think they pushed Eddie to Lesnar poorly as well. In terms of success, if was for the 3 weeks and the match and follow up, but it could have been sustained had they built it up over a few months. The "Stealing Life..." documentary should have been done _before_ his big win, but I guess Eddie wasn't worth long-term planning, even though he was insanely over in September 03 and that's when the lights should have went on about investing in the guy.

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

Benoit on RAW made no sense, and made him look like a pussy for giving up on the WWE title.

Given the higher esteem the World Heavyweight Title is now held in, compared to the WWE Title, I'd say that Benoit looks to have made the right choice.

That's because Benoit helped elevate it by having kick ass matches week in and week out.

 

Benoit looked like a idiot. He never lost to Lesnar and was denied a chance to beat him...instead of taking his advantage and getting back at Heyman for denying him the rematch...he left to challenge for a title and feud he had nothing to do with.

[SuperJerk 0]

^That's a good point, but I think it worked out for the best in the end.^

 

in Hindsight WM should have been

 

Benoit Vs Lesnar-WWE Title

-This would have been a 25 minute classic match with a heavy emphasis on speed and agility against Intelligence and exprience and a "evenness" at technique. Heyman was an excellent mouthpiece and would have made the build even greater.

 

Triple H Vs Eddy Guerrero-World Title Match

-If Benoit could jump ship meaninglessly; Why couldn't Eddy?. Eddy was a better face then Benoit and HHH and would have gotten a huge crowd of support as he did. HBK served no purpose.

 

Kurt Angle Vs Shawn Michaels

-We could have had it here.

 

Goldberg Vs Steve Austin

-McMahon wanted the "BIG DREAM MATCH" and this would have been a huge match to market and Austin would have gone over in a short brawl match that would have been super hot and Austin (vince's creation) would have gotten the final laugh over Goldberg (eric's creation).

 

the rest of the card could have remained the same.

 

Austin couldn't wrestle, though. The plan all along was for Lesnar vs. Goldberg (which could've drawn had they not screwed up the build-up by taking Goldberg off of television and inserting Austin).

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

God I hate you.

 

Fuck you. Agree to disagree, don't be a dick about it.

He doesn't really hate you. He's just passionate. He's said far worse to me in the past, and he loves me more than most mere mortals are able to love.

 

Just didn't know if you'd dealt with him before. Thought I'd fill you in.

 

Oh Wossy

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I'm glad Benoits life-long quest to win a title that was 2 years old came to fruition at WMXX.

 

Fuck the importance of the title right now, when its all said and done, his name will be off the record books as WWE champion.

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

Austin could still punch and kick and basically that would have been enough. It would have been a 6-8 minute match ending with Austin ducking the Spear and Goldberg turning into the Stunner.

 

It would have been paid off in the build. No one would expect a clinical classic.

[Guest Loss]

Oh Wossy

See, he even calls me Wossy. Perhaps in the future, he'll call you Pwecious Woy.

 

It's Chwistmas (err, Christmas -- a legit typo that I had to keep because it made me laugh) so we can be nice to each other for a week or so I figure.

[SuperJerk 0]

I'm glad Benoits life-long quest to win a title that was 2 years old came to fruition at WMXX.

 

Fuck the importance of the title right now, when its all said and done, his name will be off the record books as WWE champion.

His life-long quest was to become World Champion, which he did.

(Technically, both titles are world championships.)

[Guest Loss]

Oh boy.

 

Rudo, is this as nostalgic to you as it is to me?

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

If it was Benoit's lifelong dream to win a world championship how come he gave up his first less than 24 hours after winning it?

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

If it was Benoit's lifelong dream to win a world championship how come he gave up his first less than 24 hours after winning it?

They never bothered to touch on that during the hype; they *really* could have added that to the Lesnar/Benoit feud that never happened by saying he only wanted the *real* Heavyweight title. He didn't want a token reign. He wants to PROVE he's better then everyone else.

 

But no...He went to raw because he well...felt like it I guess.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

LOL! Once that title histories thread went up and the discussion of the WCW/World Title came up, all the feelings came rushing back... I was just thinking to myself today, "Rudo (Which is what I call myself...) you haven't been bitching nearly enough on TSM".

 

Oh, those were the days.

[Precious Roy 0]

You're a fucking moron if you "wouldn't change a thing" about Benoits run. This is not an "agree to disagree" situation, its a "Did Roy eat paint chips as a kid" situation.

I wouldn't change a thing. You gonna cry about it?

[Lil' Bitch 0]

I'll admit I was a huge fan of the <3 angle. Granted, I'm not big on soap opera-like angles since it felt like something out of The Young & The Restless. The way it was written and dragged, it got me tuned and interested enough to watch to see what developed each and every week. What I was hoping for to happen was for Chris Jericho, the knight in shining armor, to save Trish Stratus, the damsel in distress, from the clutches of the evil bully, Christian. A.K.A. kick his fucking ass at Wrestlemania and get the girl. And then Trish turned heel and fucked everything up. I said it before and I'll say it again (with the exception of Chris Benoit at WM XX & Backlash), the WWE doesn't believe in happy endings.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Yes. I cry for the future of the humanity if people like you continue to exist.

 

Hmm, who would have thunk this thread would have turned into a big discussion over Benoits run?

 

I've mentioned before my disappointment in them not capitalizing on William Regal. IMO, his character during the spring/summer while alligned with Eugene, saying he was a bad person but finding something good in Eugene, could have been special. We could have had a main eventer right there if they wanted to.

 

They've been dropping the ball on Jericho as well, he should have been included in the Taboo Tuesday main event. How could he not get a feud with Benoit during the title reign? Oh yeah..

[Precious Roy 0]

I've mentioned before my disappointment in them not capitalizing on William Regal. IMO, his character during the spring/summer while alligned with Eugene, saying he was a bad person but finding something good in Eugene, could have been special. We could have had a main eventer right there if they wanted to.

 

They've been dropping the ball on Jericho as well, he should have been included in the Taboo Tuesday main event. How could he not get a feud with Benoit during the title reign? Oh yeah..

 

There's a couple points my paint chip-addled brain can agree with

[The Mandarin 0]

Good news, everybody. Roy's moving into his own apartment with two sexy ladies.

 

[Precious Roy 0]

Dude, you have no idea how hard it is to find a Simpsons Roy picture, I was trying for literally minutes once

[Dandy 0]

EDIT----Posted twice without knowing it, second post was better.

[Dandy 0]

They missed the boat on turning HBK heel this year. Starting with the buildup to WMXX, then the Showdown in the Desert, the match at Backlash, etc, they could have turned him heel easily. He was getting stale as a face prior to the Kane beatdown, and it would have been fresh IMO.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Oh, lordy lordy lordy.

 

I guess I'll go with Benoit VS HBK for Backlash. The one time where Montreal parallels aren't just appropriate, but pretty much a given. The Montreal factor is only played up in a cheesy way in the middle of the actual match (instead of, you know, before) that pissed off the crowd for breaking up an otherwise great match with a cheesy "Shawn reverses the Sharpshooter while Hebner dashes into the ring" moment.

 

The whole place chants for Bret so hard that you could probably hear it outside the building, so Shawn turns heel for one night and then returns to his stale babyface persona the very next.

[Scroby 0]

WWE really screwed up with Wrestlemania 20. The only worth while thing for Wrestlemania was Beniot winning the WWE title. That was it. Instead of having this big huge card for the event it didn't happen. Yes Angle vs Eddy was a good match but Lesner vs Beniot for the WWE would have been a 1000X's better. Taker vs Kane was just a squash everyone saw coming and the only good thing of the match was the enterance of the undead biker. Lesner vs Goldberg tanked and tanked hard espically when the only over person is the specail guest ref, hell Tyson didn't even get that over when he was enforcer for Austin vs HBK. Like I said the only good thing was Beniot winning the title but it would have been more emotional and so much better if it was Beniot vs Lesner and I bet Lesner more than likely would have stayed around longer if it was Beniot vs Lesner.

 

 

Oh and Beniot jumping ship over to Raw to get away from Lesner and Heyman was complete bullshit. Expalin to me why you would rather deal with Bischoff's nose so far up HHH's ass then Heyman giving you problems to protect his champion. Over at Raw at the time, Bischoff was HHH's lap dog while Heyman was just trying to protect his champion from Beniot who was Lesner's biggest threat. That was a fucked up angle but WWE got lucky with it with the pay off at Wrestlemania. If Beniot didn't win the title, the jump would have been completely pointless.

[Art Sandusky 0]

Eddie had too much charisma (both in the personality and in-ring sense) to be the one who went up against HHH at Wrestlemania. He seriously would have made everyone else on Raw except a Rock appearance look boring as fuck. That said, despite Benoit jumping to Raw not making much sense, I really think it was a good move in the end.

[Scroby 0]

I don't think Eddy should have gone up against HHH at all. I don't beleave that would have worked to well. HHH's ego would have gotten in the way i'm sure of it. Maybe Eddy vs Angle should have still happen at WM20, with Beniot vs Lesner for the title being the main event. HHH vs HBK could have happen since that was being forced down our throats since last November and like I said Beniot winning the title from HHH was the only thing that saved it. Now if Beniot didn't win it at WM20 and won it a month later at Backlash, it would have been pointless.

[Brocklock 0]

How about The Kidman/London feud. They started on the right foot with Noble talking to London and Kidman about Kidman injuring Chavo, but they rushed the Turn. It should've happened at No Mercy in a Tag Title match. Then Kidman could injure London allowing him to return in a Match at SurSer. Chavo returns and wins the Cruiser belt from Spike. Kidman feuds with both leading to a Triple Threat match at Armageddon for the belt with Kidman prevailing. Then at Wrestlemania London/Kidman wrestle in a Ladder Match for the Cruiser Belt which London wins and pretty much makes Paul London a star.

 

Yeah, that's how it should've been, but now all three are stuck on Velocity.

[evilhomer 0]

Richards/Tomko. Drag-queen angle.

Besides never happening in the first place, if there was a way that this could have NOT been screwed up, I'd love to hear it

[Guest M. Harry Smilac]

Edge is the definate runner-up to Benoit.

 

Had he been put on Smackdown, a place that the people are literally desperate for someone to cheer he'd still be a face right now.

 

Special mention to Jericho, who I don't even like getting the biggest pops of any face on Raw and getting stuck in to the IC title scene.

[Enigma 0]

Orton leaving Evolution.

 

Biggest screw-up of 2004 by far.

 

But, it looks like they're about to atone for their mess-up with the turn of Batista.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I should bump the thread where almost everyone on here defended the hot shot Orton getting tossed from Evolution. Probably a lot of flip floppers. I think Loss was the only one that agreed with me at the time about how bad an idea it was.