EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2004 The HOF voting comes out next week, I believe on the fourth. Here is a list of candidates.... 2005 HOF Candidates Who are your picks? I'd take Blyleven, Sandberg, Boggs, Trammell, Dawson, and Gossage. I feel especially adament about Blyleven's candidacy, but an article here presents Blyleven's case better than I ever could. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2004 Dave Parker, Terry Steinbach, and Tony Phillips. 1989 OAKLAND A'S BIAS~! Okay I'll do my real votes later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2004 God the 80s had such bland players, no real superstars. (wait a few years for the 'roids to kick in ) I suppose I'd pick: WADE BOGGS ANDRE DAWSON RYNE SANDBERG no one else really jumps outs much, and even those 3 are trumped by most players at their position today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2004 Wade Boggs Ryne Sandberg Bert Blyleven Bruce Sutter Andre Dawson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2004 Jim Abbott - Greatest one handed pitcher I ever saw. Dave Concepcion - Hey Joe Morgan calls him the greatest shortstop ever. What more evidence do you people need? Chili Davis - He goes in for being named Chili. Tommy John - He has a surgery named after him. Lou Gehrig has a disease named after him and he's in the HOF. I rest my case. Jack McDowell - He flipped off Yankee fans. How is that not HOF worthy? Otis Nixon - He knew how to bunt and bunting wins championships. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 31, 2004 Abbott's career, in a nice way, wasn't too good. ." Abbott's Resume: Teams: Angels, Yankees, White Sox, Brewers Key stats: 87-108, 4.25 ERA, 6 shutouts, 1 no-hitter Awards: 1987 Golden Spikes Award, 1987 Sullivan Award, Third in 1991 AL Cy Young Award voting Best HOF vote Pct.: 1st year on the ballot Peers in Hall: None Unless you were joking that is... wait... WHEN DID MCDOWEEL FLIP OFF YANKEE FANS?! (needs to hear this) Sounds awesome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2004 Otis Nixon - He knew how to bunt and bunting wins championships. He looks like that old Indian guy in Temple of Doom. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tominator89 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2004 Still gotta put in my vote for Mattingly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the max 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2004 Mattingly will never get in until he shaves off those damn sideburns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixrising 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2004 Wade Boggs Ryne Sandberg Andre Dawson Hopefully Ron Santo or Gil Hodges by the VC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
geniusMoment 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2004 Honestly, none of the names mentioned in this thread would make it to the hall if I had it my way. I wish the hall was the place for the best of the best, it would mean so much more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2004 Abbott - a special case. wasn't the greatest pitcher, but what he did in spite of his handicap, the guy deserves it Boggs - no brainer Mattingly - numbers aren't as strong as some others, but he was great for several years, and I'm a homer, so Blyleven - this guy needs to get in at some point, he was on "outside the lines" around the time of last years vote and just humiliated some sportswriter in an argument over his credentials. Sandberg Dawson I'd like to see Jack Morris get in too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2004 Honestly, none of the names mentioned in this thread would make it to the hall if I had it my way. I wish the hall was the place for the best of the best, it would mean so much more. Assuming we take that standard, how does Wade Boggs not qualify? If you had a Hall where even players of Boggs' quality could not enter, it would be quite a drab and boring place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2004 My ballot: Blyleven Boggs Dawson Gossage (don't get me started again) Morris Rice Sandberg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 31, 2004 Boggs and Sandberg would be my definite votes, and maybe Dawson. I'm assuming if Boggs gets in he'll go with the Boston jersey unless the Devil Rays paid him off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2004 - Wade Boggs - Bert Blyleven - Ryan Sandberg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2004 Boggs and Sandberg would be my definite votes, and maybe Dawson. I'm assuming if Boggs gets in he'll go with the Boston jersey unless the Devil Rays paid him off. The HOF put a stop to that practice. Boggs will go in as a Red Sox. Realistically, I see only Boggs making it this year. Sutter and Sandberg where the closest, but still quite a bit short. Sanberg receives about 70% and makes it in 2006. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2004 Baseball Primer has done a running tally of the ballots they've read, from newspapers columns of the voters. Goose Gossage is getting substantial support from the small sample of writers thus far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2004 Related news. I'd guess Jerry Coleman. HOF.com Gossage would really have to make a huge jump. He was 174 votes short, and 34% shy of the needed 75%. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
geniusMoment 0 Report post Posted January 1, 2005 Honestly, none of the names mentioned in this thread would make it to the hall if I had it my way. I wish the hall was the place for the best of the best, it would mean so much more. Assuming we take that standard, how does Wade Boggs not qualify? If you had a Hall where even players of Boggs' quality could not enter, it would be quite a drab and boring place. You could make an argument for Boggs using the absolute best standards. Perhaps he should be in. But, I always thought of Boggs as a player who was very good over an extended period of time, I never considered him a dominant player, where you would fear him coming to the plate. Or in the case of a pitcher, fear facing him in a game. I agree this would make the hall boring, as very few people would get in, but the hall would actually mean something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted January 1, 2005 Wade Boggs is arguably the greatest American League third baseman of all-time. Any argument against him being in the HOF holds no water. How do we even know if pitcher's feared facing him or not? Should the Hall of Fame only let in power hitters? Hey I bet for a couple of years pitchers feared Sam Horn but no one wants him the HOF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted January 1, 2005 I think Sandberg will make it this year. Boggs too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted January 1, 2005 Honestly, none of the names mentioned in this thread would make it to the hall if I had it my way. I wish the hall was the place for the best of the best, it would mean so much more. Assuming we take that standard, how does Wade Boggs not qualify? If you had a Hall where even players of Boggs' quality could not enter, it would be quite a drab and boring place. You could make an argument for Boggs using the absolute best standards. Perhaps he should be in. But, I always thought of Boggs as a player who was very good over an extended period of time, I never considered him a dominant player, where you would fear him coming to the plate. Or in the case of a pitcher, fear facing him in a game. I agree this would make the hall boring, as very few people would get in, but the hall would actually mean something. As far as Hall standards go, you could safely let players at Boggs' level in and not have a problem. The problem with watered standards came with the induction of players such as George Kelly, Joe Tinker, and Chick Hafey, who would hardly rate even as All-Stars today. As for Boggs. Did pitchers fear him? He was intentionally walked 180 times in his career, and led the league in intentional walks six consecutive seasons. That would seem to indicate that managers did NOT want to see Boggs in critical situations. Add that to his superior OBP and batting average (led the league in OBP six times and BA five times), and that he played a defensive position at third, and he clearly rates among the game's elite. I am not sure how exclusionary you would like your Hall of Fame. Currently, the Hall stands at 258 players. Bill James in the Abstract rated Boggs as the 60th greatest player of All Time, and the fourth best third baseman of All Time. Even if you cut the Hall by 75%, Boggs would deserve induction. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted January 1, 2005 Related news. I'd guess Jerry Coleman. HOF.com Gossage would really have to make a huge jump. He was 174 votes short, and 34% shy of the needed 75%. For what its worth, a poster at Baseball Primer has kept a running tally of ballots we've seen, and Gossage has appeared on 32 out of 36 ballots. Granted the percentage is bound to drop, but from a sample, that gives Gossage a shot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted January 2, 2005 Al do you have a link? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted January 2, 2005 http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/...scussion/25304/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted January 2, 2005 Thank's Al. I'll never understand voters waiting to put someone in the HOF? Three maybe 4 years I can see. But, did Bruce Sutter add another 35 saves that I missed? Did, Bert Blyleven reach that 300 Win plateau? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2005 bumped Announcement tomorrow. Something to look at. Don't get me started on Later SI.COM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2005 Announcement should come in about an hour. In the meantime, check out my column! Learn the bitter truth about Jim Rice, rejoice in memories of Dan Quisenberry, and read why I changed my mind and support Dale Murphy for induction! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C Dubya 04 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2005 Alright, I gotta ask, why no love for Steve Garvey ever anywhere? I don't know how old you are Al, but Phillies fans should never forget him for 77 & 78. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
