Guest TheLastBoyscout Posted January 11, 2005 Report Posted January 11, 2005 I'll be disappointed if schemin' Arab-Americans turn out to be the center of all evil. It's awfully passe and an easy stereotype. Of course, we'll be at surly Canadian fascists for villains by the time we get through all 24 hours. Not for p.c. Hollywood. They usually rely on the right-wing militia groups. ... 24 is HARDLY PC. I'm recalling the first season's opener that featured an airline disaster just weeks after 9/11. And even when they could have easily used that stereotype in Season 1 (trying to kill a Black Presidential character) they didn't. they went with something far more interesting and satisfying.
Mole Posted January 11, 2005 Report Posted January 11, 2005 One thing that kind of annoys me is that the writer's don't plan ahead that much. They write on the fly and don't really know where the season is going ahead of time. One of the reasons why season 3 was so damn jumpy.
Vern Gagne Posted January 11, 2005 Report Posted January 11, 2005 I'll be disappointed if schemin' Arab-Americans turn out to be the center of all evil. It's awfully passe and an easy stereotype. Of course, we'll be at surly Canadian fascists for villains by the time we get through all 24 hours. Not for p.c. Hollywood. They usually rely on the right-wing militia groups. ... 24 is HARDLY PC. I'm recalling the first season's opener that featured an airline disaster just weeks after 9/11. And even when they could have easily used that stereotype in Season 1 (trying to kill a Black Presidential character) they didn't. they went with something far more interesting and satisfying. P.C. in the sense the bad guys never turn out to be who they are in real life.
the max Posted January 11, 2005 Report Posted January 11, 2005 I'll be disappointed if schemin' Arab-Americans turn out to be the center of all evil. It's awfully passe and an easy stereotype. Of course, we'll be at surly Canadian fascists for villains by the time we get through all 24 hours. Not for p.c. Hollywood. They usually rely on the right-wing militia groups. ... 24 is HARDLY PC. I'm recalling the first season's opener that featured an airline disaster just weeks after 9/11. And even when they could have easily used that stereotype in Season 1 (trying to kill a Black Presidential character) they didn't. they went with something far more interesting and satisfying. For the record, the airplane explosion had already been filmed, the episode already put together before 9-11 happened...as it is, the show was delayed as a result and there were no more comments about the explosion in the rest of the season (save for a few quick lines about it). And I fail to see the issue here with Muslims being involved with a fictional television show's attempt to be a touch more realistic. There's only so many times that they could turn to Europe to find their main villain (Drazen, Man on Boat, Amador/Saunders).
Guest TheLastBoyscout Posted January 11, 2005 Report Posted January 11, 2005 I'll be disappointed if schemin' Arab-Americans turn out to be the center of all evil. It's awfully passe and an easy stereotype. Of course, we'll be at surly Canadian fascists for villains by the time we get through all 24 hours. Not for p.c. Hollywood. They usually rely on the right-wing militia groups. ... 24 is HARDLY PC. I'm recalling the first season's opener that featured an airline disaster just weeks after 9/11. And even when they could have easily used that stereotype in Season 1 (trying to kill a Black Presidential character) they didn't. they went with something far more interesting and satisfying. P.C. in the sense the bad guys never turn out to be who they are in real life. No, but that's not PC so much as good writing. If it was the Arabic dude with the perfect hair and mean eyes everyone would see it a mile away. I also don't think portraying an outwardly normal Arabic family as members of a terrorist cell is a very "PC" move.
Edwin MacPhisto Posted January 11, 2005 Report Posted January 11, 2005 One thing that kind of annoys me is that the writer's don't plan ahead that much. They write on the fly and don't really know where the season is going ahead of time. One of the reasons why season 3 was so damn jumpy. I think we'll have less of a problem with that this season (even though I, for the most part, enjoyed season three's hell-on-wheels pace) thanks to the late start date. From what I understand the show is significantly further along in production at this point than usual.
AnonymousBroccoli Posted January 12, 2005 Report Posted January 12, 2005 I had a little problem with some of Chloe's dialogue. She's talking with Jack on the phone, trying to stay inconspicuous, but she'll say his name once or twice during most conversations. Otherwise, I really like the season so far. Raw's in the way, and I actually watch it every week, but I've got a satellite and a bunch of Canadian channels, so I should be able to tape every episode, as I've done so far for the series.
starvenger Posted January 12, 2005 Report Posted January 12, 2005 I had a little problem with some of Chloe's dialogue. She's talking with Jack on the phone, trying to stay inconspicuous, but she'll say his name once or twice during most conversations. I think it would be a problem if it were anyone besides Chloe. She lacks tact and has lapses of common sense, so her using Jack's name does sound like something Chloe would do.
Spicy McHaggis Posted January 12, 2005 Report Posted January 12, 2005 It's great to have 24 back. I really can't stand Driscoll putting her petty bullshit above her duties... go Jack!
Jonathon Posted January 12, 2005 Report Posted January 12, 2005 Let me say that the whole "Driscolls retarded daughter" storyline reeks of the "chloe baby" story from last season..where is THIS one going?
fazzle Posted January 12, 2005 Report Posted January 12, 2005 She'll wander into the terrorists' van because they have candy.
the max Posted January 12, 2005 Report Posted January 12, 2005 Driscoll ordering LAPD away will be found out and exploited by Jack.
starvenger Posted January 12, 2005 Report Posted January 12, 2005 Should we start a pool on when Heller's daughter bites it?
Guest El Satanico Posted January 12, 2005 Report Posted January 12, 2005 Heller's daughter will be working with the terrorists. Sell out your father and frame up your brother, she's eviiiil. Jack hasn't suffered enough, so now one of the women he loves will be killed by his own hand.
bobobrazil1984 Posted January 12, 2005 Report Posted January 12, 2005 And I fail to see the issue here with Muslims being involved with a fictional television show's attempt to be a touch more realistic. There's only so many times that they could turn to Europe to find their main villain (Drazen, Man on Boat, Amador/Saunders). It's not really an "issue" so much as it's lame and predictable and boring. Especially for a show so ripe with unpredictable twists like 24... and the villians are arab terrorists? Talk about a serious lack of imagination. The stuff with Jack and his kooky attempts to keep tabs on the guy is about fifty times more interesting than the immediate plot.
the max Posted January 12, 2005 Report Posted January 12, 2005 Heller's daughter will be working with the terrorists. Sell out your father and frame up your brother, she's eviiiil. Jack hasn't suffered enough, so now one of the women he loves will be killed by his own hand. I said this about ten minutes into the premiere. She and Old Man Heller will be about to escape, when BAM, she shoots him in the back of the head. It has to happen that way because there's no way Jack can have the hots for a THIRD weak woman. They've already had Teri and Kate, two of the least liked characters in the show's history (and least liked for the wrong reason).
DerangedHermit Posted January 12, 2005 Report Posted January 12, 2005 I was bored Monday night, so I watched this for the first time. It was good enough for me to ignore the first hour of Raw. Should I see the other seasons (my local library has the first 3 seasons on DVD)?
Guest Fook Posted January 12, 2005 Report Posted January 12, 2005 You should see the other three seasons. You won't need to watch them to understand this season, but you should watch them nonetheless just because it's a great show. ...what kind of library has full seasons of 24 in stock? Shouldn't they have, you know, books?
the max Posted January 13, 2005 Report Posted January 13, 2005 See all of season 1, the last half of season 2, and all of season 3.
Edwin MacPhisto Posted January 13, 2005 Report Posted January 13, 2005 The first half of season 2 is way, way better than the second half. After the nuclear bomb storyline, season 2 become the worst run of eps the show has seen, I think.
Guest El Satanico Posted January 13, 2005 Report Posted January 13, 2005 My local library system carries a very well stocked DVD selection, including full season tv box sets.
DerangedHermit Posted January 13, 2005 Report Posted January 13, 2005 My local library system carries a very well stocked DVD selection, including full season tv box sets. That's what mine has...they have a shite load of TV box sets (Sopranos, 24, Buffy, Angel, Simpsons, South Park, much more). You get a 7 day loan for the TV stuff (the sets are loaned by disc, not set).
Guest TheLastBoyscout Posted January 15, 2005 Report Posted January 15, 2005 RE: Evildoers not represented as they are in real life Aren't 90% of the world's problems caused by rich white men anyway?
DerangedHermit Posted January 15, 2005 Report Posted January 15, 2005 RE: Evildoers not represented as they are in real life Aren't 90% of the world's problems caused by rich white men anyway? More like 80%, then 10% by evil white women
starvenger Posted January 18, 2005 Report Posted January 18, 2005 Bump. I'm glad I don't live in the 24-verse, since any car accident you get in runs the risk of having you blowed up real good...
mike546 Posted January 18, 2005 Report Posted January 18, 2005 Heller's daughter can't be evil, as she just tried to kill herself. And who was that guy that the daughter remembered, the driver who brought them to the sons house?
Mole Posted January 18, 2005 Report Posted January 18, 2005 Wow, this is actually my favorite episode of the season for some reason. Ahh, I can't think of the guy's name, Chris or whatever. Well it's the black guy who is second in the command. Yeah, he sucks. Bad actor. Boo.
starvenger Posted January 18, 2005 Report Posted January 18, 2005 Fuck, he's going all John Matrix on us...
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