SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted January 12, 2005 With the solid mic work Monday night, I can actually say I'm looking forward to seeing how the HBK/Edge feud unfolds. I'm digging Edge as a heel. There's plenty of material for Edge to milk when it comes to Shawn being a prima donna, and Shawn's no push-over when it comes to trading insults. Provided Edge goes over at Wrestlemania, I think this will be a good feud, and finally solidify him as a legit main eventer. His only other program to date that could've elevated him was his feud with Kurt Angle, but at that point in his career (early 2002), Angle had been so depiushed he was in no position to give anyone a rub. Plus, there was no follow up after the feud ended to make Edge look like a world-title contender. Am I alone in thinking that this feud will be a good feud and will elevate Edge? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest combat_rock Report post Posted January 12, 2005 I agree, it's been really good so far (going back to Taboo Tuesday and all), and hopefully they'll wait a while and really build it up. (like till after mania, because I really want to see Angle/HBK). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted January 12, 2005 as if HBK is gonna do the job....especially at WM....HA! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pochorenella 0 Report post Posted January 12, 2005 HBK has jobbed quite a few times at WM: IX(DQ), X, XI, XIV, XX (albeit indirectly). And that's just his singles matches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted January 12, 2005 Shawn is 4-7 at Wrestlemania overall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted January 12, 2005 I'm talking THIS version of HBK...no way will he job to Edge at WM, no freaking way, especially if he's as bad as you all think he is when it comes to that... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slimm44 0 Report post Posted January 12, 2005 While watching the segment on RAW, I definitely saw this as a revamped Y2J/HBK type feud. With Edge going on and on about how Michaels stole the spotlight etc. I couldn't help but notice that. As for if it will be a good feud? There hasn't really been one in a while Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JN News 0 Report post Posted January 12, 2005 Edge is fucked. No way will Shawn put him over at Wrestlemania 21. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dark Age 0 Report post Posted January 12, 2005 Edge/Shawn just doesn't strike me as a WrestleMania level match. I'd prefer to see this blown off before then (with Edge going over), then have Edge go into the World Title match at Mania and let Shawn do his thing with Kurt or Rock, or maybe even give Jericho his win back. Besides that, I also think that Shawn/Edge would be a pretty weak match. Neither guy is great at carrying the offensive portion of the match, and both have pretty weak movesets to go with it. There are better matches for both guys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted January 12, 2005 yeah but it'd make a decent match at about the number 6 or 7 spot on a 10 match card... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pochorenella 0 Report post Posted January 12, 2005 Methinks the blind hatred/dislike towards Shawn Michaels is getting overboard here. First everybody was worried that he would mess up the Elimination Chamber match somehow, or he'd steal the spotlight, or he'd turn heel and help HHH, or whatever. He didn't do any of those things and everyone kept mum. Now the concern is wether he'll do the right thing and put over Edge or if he'll campaign for HHH vs HBK version 10.0. I'm sure that when/if HBK puts Edge over then people will come up with another complaint like "Edge should have DESTROYED HBK! Should've beaten him cleanly! Edge worked his back the whole match and he STILL did a kip-up!!" or something to that effect. I'm just saying let's see what happens and then we can start complaining wether Shawn did the right thing or not. Hell, I'm a huge HBK fan and I'll be the first to complain if he doesn't put over Edge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted January 12, 2005 no one is complaining, just forecasting... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted January 12, 2005 HBK has been picking up the Mick Foley Elevate the Youngin Mantle as of late. Edge probably needs the Elevation because he has seem so inadequent for the Main Event spot, and probably need that Indirect connection of, If I Beat HBK, then that means I beat the guy who Beat HHH.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pochorenella 0 Report post Posted January 12, 2005 no one is complaining, just forecasting... ...and doing a poor job at it. Let's think positively for a change, shall we? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dark Age 0 Report post Posted January 12, 2005 Methinks the blind hatred/dislike towards Shawn Michaels is getting overboard here. First everybody was worried that he would mess up the Elimination Chamber match somehow, or he'd steal the spotlight, or he'd turn heel and help HHH, or whatever. He didn't do any of those things and everyone kept mum. Now the concern is wether he'll do the right thing and put over Edge or if he'll campaign for HHH vs HBK version 10.0. I'm sure that when/if HBK puts Edge over then people will come up with another complaint like "Edge should have DESTROYED HBK! Should've beaten him cleanly! Edge worked his back the whole match and he STILL did a kip-up!!" or something to that effect. I'm just saying let's see what happens and then we can start complaining wether Shawn did the right thing or not. Hell, I'm a huge HBK fan and I'll be the first to complain if he doesn't put over Edge. I really hope that wasn't directed towards me. You annoyed me in the other thread when you blasted me for even DARING to criticise Shawn (of which I did no such thing). Please don't do it again. If it WASN'T directed towards me, then my apologies to you. yeah but it'd make a decent match at about the number 6 or 7 spot on a 10 match card... See, that's the problem. This is WRESTLING FUCKING MANIA! There shouldn't be 'decent' matches, especially with guys as high-profile and as good as Shawn and Edge. There are better matches for both guys, so why put them in the weakest match possible? A choice between Benoit Vs. Jericho and Shawn Vs. Edge, and Benoit Vs. Edge and Shawn Vs. Jericho isn't hard to make. I'd choose the latter. Benoit/Jericho COULD be a very good match, but I don't think Shawn/Edge will be. Pairing Benoit and Jericho up with Edge and Shawn, respectively, could lead to TWO very good matches. I don't believe Shawn/Edge would be no. 6 or 7 on the Mania card. It would be positioned about number 4, IMO, and, frankly, I don't think Shawn Michaels Vs. Edge should be one of the top matches at WrestleMania. A win for Shawn would do nothing for no one, and I don't think they'd put Edge over. If they did, I don't think they'd capitalize on it. Edge MUST be in the World Title match. Whether it be beating Jericho, beating Benoit or jobbing to Benoit, it really doesn't matter. I just think he should be in the Mania World Title match, so that they can properly blow-off the whole world title story with him, and have a chance at making him a star. A match with Edge wouldn't benefit Shawn at all (not that it needs to). A loss is no big deal. Shawn would bounce back. A win would do nothing. BUT, it could backfire on them (the match) as it won't be very good, which could affect both guys. A loss to Jericho could REALLY help Chris a lot, as he'd be able to gain some momentum AFTER the match, carrying himself with his mic. work. Plus, it'd be a better match, meaning no one (Shawn) would lose anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted January 12, 2005 no one is complaining, just forecasting... ...and doing a poor job at it. Let's think positively for a change, shall we? hey, YOU guys are the Smarks here, I'm just going by what YOU guys say...me, I just watch the show...I don't disect it like YOU guys... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pochorenella 0 Report post Posted January 12, 2005 No apology required, my friend. I wasn't aiming directly at you and I also apologize if it seemed that way. I just get annoyed at the insane level in which Michaels gets blasted around here, but everyone has a right to speak their piece. BTW, what was that other thread you're referring to? I always try to keep it friendly when I post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted January 12, 2005 Shawn gets blasted because he went over Jericho at WM XIX and shouldn't have, he went over Benoit in the build to Wrestlemania and shouldn't have, he gets opportunities to showcase his talent in ways others on the card don't get and he's higher on the card than many that are younger with far more future upside. It's not just pulled out of thin air. His track record speaks for itself. All that is just since returning from retirement. We could go back further. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted January 12, 2005 see! jesus christ i agree with Loss....we're doomed! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dark Age 0 Report post Posted January 12, 2005 No apology required, my friend. I wasn't aiming directly at you and I also apologize if it seemed that way. I just get annoyed at the insane level in which Michaels gets blasted around here, but everyone has a right to speak their piece. BTW, what was that other thread you're referring to? I always try to keep it friendly when I post. It was the whole Eddie/Shawn debate. Like I said, I wasn't sure if it was aimed at me. I've no real beef with Shawn Michaels. He's not my favourite wrestler, but I don't dislike him. But, in my honest opinion, I don't see much good coming from a Shawn/Edge Mania match. It won't do anything for Shawn, for Edge, and I don't think it will produce a special match. Could it be good? Yes. But not 'Mania' level good. There are much better opponents out there for both guys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted January 12, 2005 Even though HBK is more active than say the Rock or anyone who is semi contracted but no longer functioning regularly, HBK is still a flavor every three months or so. he seems to show up less than regular and manage to get the big matches at major PPV's. Theres some Negatives in his Involvement and there are some benefits too, for us its sometimes hard to gage which is more than the other when it comes to Shawn. as Smarks we sometimes do pay to much time watching content, instead of seeing a match as entertaining we are like there just watching the match and awaiting a wrestler to bust out all his spots before the finish. Same with Bret Hart, Ric Flair is Notorious of running the same match style over and over, and HBK though slowed a half step does basically the same thing, just going through the motions of hitting his spots until the Climatic or such finish. HBK vs Edge could probably do good for Edge's career in cementing a Main event Validity perhaps. it doesnt do anything much for Shawn in the long run, except keeping him before the Eye of the Fans and the paying Public. Personally I think He handled that You Screwed Bret stuff pretty well, both he and Edge seem to just silence them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pochorenella 0 Report post Posted January 12, 2005 Shawn gets blasted because he went over Jericho at WM XIX and shouldn't have, he went over Benoit in the build to Wrestlemania and shouldn't have, he gets opportunities to showcase his talent in ways others on the card don't get and he's higher on the card than many that are younger with far more future upside. It's not just pulled out of thin air. His track record speaks for itself. All that is just since returning from retirement. We could go back further. Point taken, Loss. I also wanted him to put over Jericho at Mania, but I could say the end result was a terrific match IMO, and that awesome moment were Jericho kicked him in the nuts after everyone thought they made their peace wouldn't have been possible had Y2J won. Shawn did lose to Jericho by submission on RAW after that. Still, it's not a Mania win. Shawn I believe needed something other than just signing his name in the contract to look like he belonged in the Main Event at WMXX, so he beat Benoit (after HHH distracted Benoit) and it created somewhat of an uncertainty who would go over at Mania. Again, the end result was a fantastic match, better than what people expected I'm sure, and I don't think it hurt Benoit at all that he lost the way he did prior to his big win. Hey, I was there at the Garden and rooting for Benoit with everything I had! Michaels pre-1998 history of booking domination is well recorded, but I've never heard of him doing it since his return. I could be wrong, though. But I think it's not fair to think he'll always screw his opponent to keep his spot. I also agree HBK vs Edge is not my ideal Mania match. I've been rooting for Angle vs HBK for a while and it almost seeemed true, but now it's unlikely. But I do think Edge and Shawn could put a very good match, and if it happens hopefully Shawn will put Edge over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted January 12, 2005 The HBK/Y2J feud started with Jericho getting the better of Shawn at every opportunity. This feud started with Michaels "screwing" Edge at every opportunity. It seems like they're setting it up for Edge to go over, since he's been booked weak against Shawn up to this point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downhome 0 Report post Posted January 12, 2005 I hate Edge, therefore I hope HBK just squashes him in this feud and makes him look like a fool from start to finish. I know almost no one else wants that, but screw it. I hate Edge. I do like his storyline right now though, I just wish it was someone else in his place. I hope they continue his never being able to win the title for a while. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dark Age 0 Report post Posted January 12, 2005 Really? I disagree. First - Edge completes his heel turn by spearing Shawn. Then, Edge beats Shawn and Benoit in a 3-Way. Then, Edge costs Shawn the World Title. Shawn returned the favour by costing EDGE the World Title. Shawn hasn't really gotten the better of Edge. Also, the Jericho/Shawn feud started with Shawn delivering SCM to Jericho after his killer interview (night after Armageddon?). If you want to go even further back, Shawn pinned Jericho at Survivor Series. He also got the last laugh on Jericho at both RR and NWO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted January 12, 2005 Really? I disagree. First - Edge completes his heel turn by spearing Shawn. Then, Edge beats Shawn and Benoit in a 3-Way. Then, Edge costs Shawn the World Title. Shawn returned the favour by costing EDGE the World Title. Shawn hasn't really gotten the better of Edge. Also, the Jericho/Shawn feud started with Shawn delivering SCM to Jericho after his killer interview (night after Armageddon?). If you want to go even further back, Shawn pinned Jericho at Survivor Series. He also got the last laugh on Jericho at both RR and NWO. I forgot about some of the earlier parts of the feud. You've got a point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted January 12, 2005 Jericho v. HBK is NOT happening, so it's pointless to labor it. And the only way Edge is in a world title match is if HBK or Benoit is defending it, which is highly improbable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dark Age 0 Report post Posted January 13, 2005 Jericho v. HBK is NOT happening, We may as well stop all discussion on this board. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CBright7831 0 Report post Posted January 13, 2005 I knew this feud would go to WM insatead of the HBK/Angle feud. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Angle-plex 0 Report post Posted January 13, 2005 I hate Edge, therefore I hope HBK just squashes him in this feud and makes him look like a fool from start to finish. I know almost no one else wants that, but screw it. I hate Edge. I do like his storyline right now though, I just wish it was someone else in his place. I hope they continue his never being able to win the title for a while. I don't think Edge is as bad as he used to be, and his character would be really good, but at certain points in his segments he overacts or makes some sort of bizzare face that makes him seem like a character in a comedy movie rather than a real, bitter person. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
