Rob Van Dam DVD

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

The thing is, if RVD only keeps getting the strong pops he got before he was injured, and he's kept in the main event picture, think how more over he could get, with people noticing the constant big pops he'd be getting. People would see he was over strong, they'd get into him because most of the arena is into him, and thus he'd get more over.

 

If people see someone is over on TV, they tend to pop for him when they see him live, because the reactions of the fans have gotten them into the wrestler in question.

[NYU 0]

I got no problem him getting an oppertunity if it happens. God knows he has waited long enough. But I just don;t think he has a chnace of drawing, no matter how much of a midcrad pop he gets

 

Now Jericho, he is in the smae "boat" as RVD and he could, on his own, make the WWE interesting agian. And, be the most over Champ since 2001.

Don't you realize you're basing this off absolutely nothing?

 

You made a fictitious statement when you said "If he ever had to wrestle a match that is over 8 minutes, the fans would sit on their hands." It's been disproven over the past few months with some of his tag matches with Rey. It's been disproven constantly throughout his WWE tenure when he's actually had matches that have went into the double digits time-wise, keeping the fans' attention into the match throughout most of the match's duration. Exactly how many "Boring" chants have you heard during an RVD match anyway? He very rarely even gets singles matches that last more than 8 minutes!

 

I've sat here trying to think of a completely dead Van Dam WWE match. The only one I was able to come up with was RVD/Jericho/Christian at Unforgiven 2003. Besides that, I'm simply drawing a blank. Mind pulling a few matches out of your memory to prove that wrong?

 

What has given you the indication RVD can't draw? Is it the idea that the fans consistenly pop for him when he walks out through the curtains for his match? Is it the concept that these fans still cheer loudly for him, even though he hasn't been given a shred of decent interview material or character development in years? Is it the fact that, even with some of his noticeable in-ring deficiencies, he has STILL remained surprisingly over? Sure, fan reaction doesn't necessarily equal being able to draw money. But there has never been any indication Van Dam COULDN'T draw money. He's never even been given the opportunity. You're just basing that opinion off half-baked, unproven ideas that have been repeated ad-nauseum for years.

 

You cannot make statements like "RVD has no chnace of drawing, no matter how much of a midcrad pop he gets" or "The point is that a Mian Event lenth of a match far surpasses what Robs boundries are as a sucsessful performer" if you have little to no justification for such statements.

 

If the guy gets a chance and falls on his face, then he'll prove those statements right.

 

The fact that he's never been given such opportunities just makes those statements foolish.

[chaosrage 0]

Vince and WWE management need to watch this dvd so they could  realize that they are wasting a potential main eventer on Rob.

Rob will never draw.

 

If he ever had to wrestle a match that is over 8 minutes, the fans would sit on their hands. All he can do is gimmick matches, and every ECW match is a gimmick match.

 

He very much like Christian in that way. And thats also why Christian would never draw.

This is as almost as dumb as HHH's comments on the last page. Get the DVD and watch KOTR 2002 with Jericho and look at the fans sitting on their hands 15 minutes into the match. Oh wait, they're not, they're screaming RVD!

 

Most ECW matches after they started having PPVs weren't gimmick matches, unless you call one dive into the crowd or hitting someone in the head with a chair a gimmick match. Have you ever seen ECW?

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

RVD and Bigelow put on a MOTYC in 1998 that was much-praised and way longer than 8 minutes.

[GreatWhiteNope 0]

Now Jericho, he is in the smae "boat" as RVD and he could, on his own, make the WWE interesting agian.

HA!

[humongous2002 0]

Now Jericho, he is in the smae "boat" as RVD and he could, on his own, make the WWE interesting agian.

This guy is as delusional and foolish as HHH.

[cabbageboy 0]

I think Jericho is past the point of no return in terms of ability to draw. The guy has been jobbed so hard and made out to be such a tool by HHH, Shawn, and Co. that there really is no way to make him viable again. Not on Raw anyway. He might have a mild hope of regaining his previous form on SMDN, but who would he feud with?

 

But RVD? He can certainly draw if given the chance. Hell it's right there in front for them: The ECW DVD is selling, RVD is hurt and when he gets back will get a huge pop, etc.

 

And yes, I still stand by my original comment that RVD would get more of a crowd than Cena. Cena is over due to getting pushed and his cheesy raps, but he is not legit over. If Cena started jobbing to people I can assure you his popularity would diminish very quickly. Van Dam is legit over.

[Boon 0]

I think Jericho is past the point of no return in terms of ability to draw. The guy has been jobbed so hard and made out to be such a tool by HHH, Shawn, and Co. that there really is no way to make him viable again. Not on Raw anyway. He might have a mild hope of regaining his previous form on SMDN, but who would he feud with?

Eddie? Rey? Kurt?

 

If they turned Jericho heel, I'd watch Smackdown again.

 

 

Anyway- the only thing RVD and Jericho have in common is that they'll never really get higher then the IC title while HHH/HBK are in town.

[Jericholic82 0]

Actually I think the reason for his non push is the fact that individual wrestlers dont really "draw" anymore. I would bet that 95 percent of the fans going to a live wwe show are going to see wrestling and not just any one wrestler. Sure an individual guy might sel merchandise and get good pops, but hes not really bringing people to the arena or making people order the ppv. And when it comes to PPV, I doubt that anyone orders one cuz their favorite wrestler is on there. most will order one if it has a good card on paper or has a chance to be good. for example, if your favorite wrestler is John Cena are you going to order No Way Out just to see him wrestle? probably not. Maybe you will cuz hes wrestling Angle he may pull a good match out of cena like he did in the past.

 

I guess my real point is that if WWE is continuing to stay afloat, with not a real financial crisis on their hands, why should they change what has worked and kept the ratings somewhat steady for a few years (plummetting ppv buy rates notwithstanding they may be due to the fact that there are too many ppvs and they are all too damn expensive)?

 

Thats why they refuse to change their ways.

 

However sometimes they do do the right thing as in the case of Batista, they realized they were making a mistake with the orton push and recognized that a new guy was poised for the main event and had the good crowd reaction. Now maybe if they only would have realzied RVDS potential in 01. But it may have more to do with the fact that RVD was an ECW guy and Vince doesnt want guys from other promotions making it to the top without first going thru the "wwe system" so to speak.

 

 

 

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I have so many people to thank, first of all I'd like to thank the Academy................(gets played off by the going to commercial music)

[humongous2002 0]

Or RVD and Cena in a match? The crowd would go for RVD.

 

Ah, let's not get too outta control here. Cena would have the crowd response, honestly. He's the most over face by a long shot right now. Rob wouldn't get booed, but Cena would get the majority of the cheers.

 

If we are talking about now then I could agree with you, but 6 or 8 months down the road when Rob comes back from his injury then I could predict a different crowd response for this match (RVD/Cena).

[CBright7831 0]

To this day I wonder why they never gave RVD an ECW Title Shot.

 

I was watching the DVD and watching him run out when Rhyno/Cyrus made the challenge, and thinking "That's as close as he got to a title shot."

 

That was the last PPV, and I don't understand why the good guy didn't go out on top by winning the title. Or the last ECW show for that matter. They could have done that also.

 

BTW, where was Bill Alfonso?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

To this day I wonder why they never gave RVD an ECW Title Shot.

 

I was watching the DVD and watching him run out when Rhyno/Cyrus made the challenge, and thinking "That's as close as he got to a title shot."

 

That was the last PPV, and I don't understand why the goodguy didn't go out on top.

 

BTW, where was Bill Alfonso.

RVD never got a title shot because RVD's quest for the title was meant to be the big program that national tv would buiild up.

 

As for why he never went out on top at GAC, I don't think Heyman and co knew, or at least wanted to believe, that GAC was the last ECW PPV.

[cabbageboy 0]

That is the sad aspect of the DVD. I don't think anyone really believed deep down that it was going to be it for ECW. They put it on Rhino in hopes of building a big feud with RVD where I assume Rob would have finally won the title.

 

If they do this ECW PPV are they going to follow the angles left open by the last PPV? I guess it depends on if RVD is back for it.

[CanadianChick 0]

Or RVD and Cena in a match? The crowd would go for RVD.

 

Ah, let's not get too outta control here. Cena would have the crowd response, honestly. He's the most over face by a long shot right now. Rob wouldn't get booed, but Cena would get the majority of the cheers.

 

If we are talking about now then I could agree with you, but 6 or 8 months down the road when Rob comes back from his injury then I could predict a different crowd response for this match (RVD/Cena).

That's a bit unfair, seeing as it'll be a return pop. That's like saying that Rocky wouldn't have the same crowd reaction as Triple H if they faced the night HHH came back.