RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted March 13, 2005 Joe Schmoe 1 -the successful one- was on Tuesdays and its audience grew because the show was actually good. Spike acquiring CSI has more to do with it being in the Viacom family which also airs and produces CSI on CBS, and owns King World, and not-to-mention gives the company the leverage and capital to pursue things like the rights to CSI. Raw initially allowed TNN to get a boost in ratings, but I don't see how it has necessarily helped the network considering that the WWE itself has fallen so much in the past few years. It's not exactly a "crown-jewel" type show that provides value for a network that, say, rights to air certain sports do. It is worthless? No. But I don't think its as valuable as the WWE wants it to be. And in terms of the WWE and UFC, there are many possibilities for making money for the WWE through cross-promotion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LessonInMachismo 0 Report post Posted March 13, 2005 Joe Schmoe 1 -the successful one- was on Tuesdays and its audience grew because the show was actually good. Spike acquiring CSI has more to do with it being in the Viacom family which also airs and produces CSI on CBS, and owns King World, and not-to-mention gives the company the leverage and capital to pursue things like the rights to CSI. Raw initially allowed TNN to get a boost in ratings, but I don't see how it has necessarily helped the network considering that the WWE itself has fallen so much in the past few years. It's not exactly a "crown-jewel" type show that provides value for a network that, say, rights to air certain sports do. It is worthless? No. But I don't think its as valuable as the WWE wants it to be. Don't forget that's how they got Star Trek, too. Paramount is a Viacom family member, too. And yeah, WWE sure has fallen over the years: Raw Ratings History The TNN debut was on 9/25/00. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bottyboy Report post Posted March 16, 2005 Raw on Usa>>>>>>>>>>>Raw on Spike Tv. The Contender>>>>>>>>>>>TUF. I'm glad Raw is leaving Spike, I never really cared for the channel anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted March 16, 2005 Raw on Usa>>>>>>>>>>>Raw on Spike Tv. The Contender>>>>>>>>>>>TUF. I'm glad Raw is leaving Spike, I never really cared for the channel anyway. How is the contender, which features about a third of an actual match with studio slowdowns going to even compare? It's not even a boxing show. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2005 Raw on Usa>>>>>>>>>>>Raw on Spike Tv. The Contender>>>>>>>>>>>TUF. I'm glad Raw is leaving Spike, I never really cared for the channel anyway. How is RAW on USA any different than RAW on Spike? It is the same show! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bottyboy Report post Posted March 16, 2005 Raw on Usa>>>>>>>>>>>Raw on Spike Tv. The Contender>>>>>>>>>>>TUF. I'm glad Raw is leaving Spike, I never really cared for the channel anyway. How is the contender, which features about a third of an actual match with studio slowdowns going to even compare? It's not even a boxing show. TUF started out okay, but after Bobby got robbed, and then they bring back that bitch Leben I lost all interest in the show. I never was a big MMA fan to begin with, so it really just made me dislike the the so called so called 'sport' even more. I like the contender because being a boxing mark, I actually already had seen a few of the guys actually fight before they were on the show. I also think Boxing is a real sport and is not a side show like UFC. I think Boxers are real athletes, unlike these UFC punks, who most of the time are rolling around a cage trying to find a "mount" position. I rather watch two guys go toe to toe in the ring, opposed to two guys laying on a mat for 10 minutes. Southworth , Koschek, and Forrest and are really the only 3 guys I'd watch the show for, and now that Southworth is gone KOschek isn't that entertaining any more. I'll Glance to see what Forrest is up to, but other then that the show sucks. The Contender on the other hand makes you care about the participants, and some of the guys have actually fought for real championships, one guy was actually a current Middle weight Champion before being eliminated by a nobody. This could actually happen in a real sport, I doubt it happens in such a predictable competition like you'll see in UFC. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bottyboy Report post Posted March 16, 2005 Raw on Usa>>>>>>>>>>>Raw on Spike Tv. The Contender>>>>>>>>>>>TUF. I'm glad Raw is leaving Spike, I never really cared for the channel anyway. How is RAW on USA any different than RAW on Spike? It is the same show! You're right, I just think the show was better on USA. I'll watch it either way, because I love RAW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kizzo 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2005 I'm glad Raw is leaving Spike, I never really cared for the channel anyway. OMG I didn't know that RAW being on USA Network would change the product and make it better... Spike wasn't involved in the creative direction of RAW nor would USA be so tell me how RAW would be any different when it is televised on USA???? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2005 I like the contender because being a boxing mark, I actually already had seen a few of the guys actually fight before they were on the show. I also think Boxing is a real sport and is not a side show like UFC. I think Boxers are real athletes, unlike these UFC punks, who most of the time are rolling around a cage trying to find a "mount" position. I rather watch two guys go toe to toe in the ring, opposed to two guys laying on a mat for 10 minutes. I'll leave it to resident WWE Folder poster RRR to take care of this one. If he feels like it anyway, he's quite lazy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BDC Report post Posted March 16, 2005 I like the contender because being a boxing mark, I actually already had seen a few of the guys actually fight before they were on the show. I also think Boxing is a real sport and is not a side show like UFC. I think Boxers are real athletes, unlike these UFC punks, who most of the time are rolling around a cage trying to find a "mount" position. I rather watch two guys go toe to toe in the ring, opposed to two guys laying on a mat for 10 minutes. I'm waiting on RRR too, but I just have to say, you have formed one of the most ill-informed, ignorant positions about UFC that I have EVER seen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2005 Simply put, boxing is to MMA, as "playing catch" is to baseball. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2005 Simply put, boxing is to MMA as "playing catch" is to baseball. I used to say as "Free throw shooting" is to basketball. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2005 Yeah, but you use bats in baseball. Which is a totally different facet of the game. Running bases is another thing. Basketball doesn't have the same amount of stages and distinctions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted March 16, 2005 Simply put, boxing is to MMA, as "playing catch" is to baseball. Boxing is so much better to watch than any MMA stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2005 I see what you're saying, I didn't really put effort into this one. I initially used it because shooting is one aspect of basketball, while free throw shooting is a very limited form of shooting, what with you being there by yourself on a set line with nothing around you, etc. It's like boxing and all out striking. But baseball is a better analogy due to the fact that there are pretty much THREE very different facets to the game. The hitting, the fielding, and the running. How convenient. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted March 16, 2005 I'll go ahead and say it: I think boxing is rigged. -=Mike ...I know, it's shocking that Don King might be involved in something sleazy... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2005 Simply put, boxing is to MMA, as "playing catch" is to baseball. Boxing is so much better to watch than any MMA stuff. I disagree. I don't watch neither very often, but I find myself stopping during a Ultimate Fighting match rather than a boxing match if I'm flipping the channels. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted March 16, 2005 I find wrestling fans and MMA fans are the only people who think MMA is better than Boxing. Everyone other type of fan thinks MMA is boring and that Boxing is a lot easier to follow. Plus, EVERYONE I hear who has actaully seen Boxing live says it is the best thing ever (much like Hockey) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2005 I love a great boxing match, but only a great boxing match. A very good boxing match I find boring. It is so repetitive and there are so few options available. I find myself going "TAKE HIM DOWN!"... "CLINCH AND KNEE!"... "HIGH KICK!!" I also think it is an acquired taste, because you really have to get used to the idea that "this is all there is", when it comes to them just punching each other, and there are less obvious interesting things involved. MMA, on the other hand, I can find good in even a bad match, because there is technique all around, and I personally know what its like to pull guard and how hard it is to work from your back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prophet of Mike Zagurski 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2005 I'm glad Raw is leaving Spike, I never really cared for the channel anyway. OMG I didn't know that RAW being on USA Network would change the product and make it better... Spike wasn't involved in the creative direction of RAW nor would USA be so tell me how RAW would be any different when it is televised on USA???? If you read Sex, Lies, and Headlocks, the authors write about how there were USA executives watching over Vince after the Brian Pillman Gun incident. I think some angles were toned down because of USA. I haven't read the book in awhile, so someone else can probably fill in the rest of the details. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted March 16, 2005 I can find almost anything good in a bad hockey game. But I am a hockey nut who lives in Canada. I think the average fan just loathes a bad MMA match due to how boring it can be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2005 The best MMA match smokes the best boxing match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2005 Heavyweight boxing is a joke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted March 16, 2005 Raw on Usa>>>>>>>>>>>Raw on Spike Tv. The Contender>>>>>>>>>>>TUF. I'm glad Raw is leaving Spike, I never really cared for the channel anyway. How is the contender, which features about a third of an actual match with studio slowdowns going to even compare? It's not even a boxing show. TUF started out okay, but after Bobby got robbed, and then they bring back that bitch Leben I lost all interest in the show. I never was a big MMA fan to begin with, so it really just made me dislike the the so called so called 'sport' even more. I like the contender because being a boxing mark, I actually already had seen a few of the guys actually fight before they were on the show. I also think Boxing is a real sport and is not a side show like UFC. I think Boxers are real athletes, unlike these UFC punks, who most of the time are rolling around a cage trying to find a "mount" position. I rather watch two guys go toe to toe in the ring, opposed to two guys laying on a mat for 10 minutes. Southworth , Koschek, and Forrest and are really the only 3 guys I'd watch the show for, and now that Southworth is gone KOschek isn't that entertaining any more. I'll Glance to see what Forrest is up to, but other then that the show sucks. The Contender on the other hand makes you care about the participants, and some of the guys have actually fought for real championships, one guy was actually a current Middle weight Champion before being eliminated by a nobody. This could actually happen in a real sport, I doubt it happens in such a predictable competition like you'll see in UFC. I don't even see how you can like the Contender. You want to talk about sideshows, boxing is a total sideshow in that show. If it was the main attraction, they would show the whole thing. My brother is an amateur boxer, now looking to turn to MMA because the sport is a lot more well-rounded, but we are completely insulted by how they are treating the boxing in this show. I agree, they are top notch guys and I was impressed with that, by I find it insulting to myself as a fan of a sport to tune into a show about said sport and essentially get an ESPN sportscast, a chopped down version of said sport. At least TUF delivers in that aspect. It's the same feeling I get when I tune into the WWE at times; basically, if you promote yourself in said sport, deliver. It's a sports drama in that vein; passable as a reality show but not as a boxing show. It seems like, given the guys you highlighted, that you're in it for the personalities and not for the sport. Which I can see from your other comments. As for the Leben thing, I'll get this out of the way. It was within the rules. He was the most capable fighter who had been eliminated at that weight class. MMA has unfortunately, not had a chance to tap into the long-established following boxing has. It's a shame because it's a much more evolved sport. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted March 16, 2005 The best MMA match smokes the best boxing match. Heavyweight, sure. But if you give me any weightclass, no way. Or hell, give me history as well. Ali-Foreman and the Ali-Frazer's shit-kick MMA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kizzo 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2005 I'm glad Raw is leaving Spike, I never really cared for the channel anyway. OMG I didn't know that RAW being on USA Network would change the product and make it better... Spike wasn't involved in the creative direction of RAW nor would USA be so tell me how RAW would be any different when it is televised on USA???? If you read Sex, Lies, and Headlocks, the authors write about how there were USA executives watching over Vince after the Brian Pillman Gun incident. I think some angles were toned down because of USA. I haven't read the book in awhile, so someone else can probably fill in the rest of the details. I'm not talking about censoring...all networks watch there shows to make sure they are following the rules.....I'm sure Spike observes everything WWE puts on T.V. as well... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SoZe Report post Posted March 16, 2005 Simply put, boxing is to MMA, as "playing catch" is to baseball. Follow up one close minded, foolish comment up with one equally close minded, and foolish. Nice work! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted March 16, 2005 Well, it is true. Boxing is just a single aspect involved with MMA. As are wrestling, jiu-jitsu, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SoZe Report post Posted March 16, 2005 Sure, it's your opinion, how can it NOT be fact? I mean, I greatly prefer boxing to MMA, but I'm not going to pass off my opinion as fact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2005 Simply put, boxing is to MMA, as "playing catch" is to baseball. Follow up one close minded, foolish comment up with one equally close minded, and foolish. Nice work! What, exactly, would you define this response as? It *is* a fact that boxing is one aspect of MMA. Guys train in boxing, muay thai, jiu jitsu, wrestling, etc. Boxers just focus on boxing. How is that not a fact? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
