This week in the NBA

[Guest Vitamin X]

Yeah the Lakers were doing SOO much better without Kobe than with him...

 

Well aside from this past 6-game losing streak anyways.

[Guest Flyboy]

You could even tell from the All-Star game he wasn't really trying to steal the show on offense like Vince Carter and McGrady were.

 

McGrady was trying to steal the show at the All-Star game? I was so unaware of this fact. And McGrady a bigger ballhog that Bryant? Oh, that's extremely debateable.

[Sass 0]

I completelty agree with what Ripper said.

 

Except this...

 

Kobe is has more assist, but Odem is the better team player.

 

h00kt on f0nex werkt 4 meeee

 

Goddamn brother, that was some atrocious shit to read from what I thought was a great post. You hit the nail on the head there though.

 

If Lamar becomes the central force on the team and his PPG goes up to like 20 + and his RPG gets jacked up to like 12 + a game, like what he was putting up with the Heat, then you *still* have Kobe waiting in the wings who is going to average anywhere from 28 - 30 + PPG on any given night if the pressure gets taken off him. Lamar should be the guy getting triple teamed all the time, not Kobe. Feed Lamar the damn ball and watch him and Kobe lights some teams up. The offense will also run a hell of a lot smoother if Kobe isn't trying to power the ball in while getting bum rushed all the time.

 

RIPPER~! 4 coach

[Guest Vitamin X]

Actually Odom is having a slightly better year this year, although I also agree that Odom being the focal point of the offense would help the Lakers immensely, since Kobe is a terrific outside player, but is only good for the occasional "drive through the lane and draw the foul" when he goes inside. Odom's PPG is down to 15.2 from the 17.1 he put up with the Heat last year, but his RPG has gone up from 9.7 to 10.2. His FG percantage has also gone up from 43% to 47.3%. Also kinda funny looking at the stats sheet is that Shaq is averaging 10.5 rebounds, only slightly better than Odom. No excuse for a monster like that to be averaging less 11-15 or so a game.

[Guest webmasterofwrestlegame]

On the grounds of cruelty, could the refs stop the Suns/Bobcats game at half-time...there is half the second quarter to go and the Suns are winning by 26. TWENTY-SIX!!!

[Guest Vitamin X]

The Suns are really making a fan out of me this season. They're so fun to watch.

 

RUN UP THE COURT! PASS! SHOOT! PASS! SHOOT! REBOUND! RUN! BLOCK! RUN! SHOOT!

 

It's awesome.

[smh810 0]

Right.

 

Okay, I see that this is becoming complicated for you to understand.

 

When I brought up Magic Johnson, I was responding to your asinine comment here, not comparing him to Shaq:

 

 

Emphasized asinine point in bold. Sorry, I guess I'm just pointing out the obvious here.

 

Unless I read this wrong, you are saying fans should exonerate players for their mistakes or problems if they win a lot of games. Check.

 

Absolutely you should give them a pass unless it involves rape or murder. Shaq and Magic involved neither/nor so let it go.

 

 

 

It *is* none of my business to know about the questionable off-court activities of players. It was none of my business when the Magic scandal initially broke. I could not care if Kobe Bryant slept around on his wife. Same deal with Magic. That's their business. But when Kobe is charged with rape and facing possible jail time, that could have a potentially negative and *harmful* effect on his teammates and the fans that adore him as a player. Like me. I'm a fan and it's none of my business to know who's cheating on their wife in the NBA. But if the dude does get caught red handed and goes through divorce court hell and his game drops off the next season, then it becomes my business as a fan to know and *understand* why this nonsense is messing up the dude's game.

 

I agree with you on Kobe see above RAPE OR MURDER again... RAPE OR MURDER.

As far as his game itself goes Kobe's didnt really drop off at all until the playoffs when for the most part Shaq had to carry him as per usual and that really had nothing to do with the rape trial IMO..

 

 

Again, THANK YOU Captain Obvious.

 

No shit Sherlock.

 

I have all of the respect in the world for Kobe as a player because he busts his *ass* to improve his game.

 

Did you know he never took the summer off like everyone else did after the Lakers won their championships?

 

He took a week off after every time the Lakers won a championship and by the next week he was in the gym playing ball. By himself. No one else was there. Everyone else was still enjoying their leisure time off and rightfully so. But Kobe, he got back onto the court and worked on everything in his game that he thought could see some room for improvement. It's why Kobe isn't going to regress as a player anytime soon. If anything, he's only going to get better as the years go on. It's why Dr. Buss took a chance with Kobe over Shaq. Kobe tries to improve while Shaq was content with the way he was and it's why he never did try to improve on his weight issues. He didn't see it or else he didn't care. It's one or the other. For *that* tidbit, I will never ever call Kobe a slacker. If anything, he's an overachiever who wants to win.

 

I still, still, still, can't believe how dense you are though. Shaq's weight issues aren't even in the same galaxy as Magic's infidelity and HIV problems. Not even by a damn *sight* are they close. I mean, wow.

 

BAH! First off, all that practicing doesnt stop Kobe from folding at critical moments at playoff time. which again is all that matters. Sure, he'll make a game winning shot in Game 2 which is significant mind you but not as significant as dissapearing in Game 5 and/or relying on Shaq to get you a world title. Shaq's weight problems are irrelevant to me since he always performed well in big games. And once again you mentioned Magic's name before I did pal.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Erm.. what? Kobe took something like 3-4 game winning shots towards the end of the 03-04 season to get them better positioning in the playoffs, his PPG for last year's postseason was higher than Shaq's as well..

 

Shaq only showed up for the NBA Finals, because the Pistons were the first team to figure out where the offense on the Lakers was coming from. They let Shaq get his points, knowing they couldn't guard him inside, and shut down the rest of the team. How many times does that have to be explained to you before you understand?

[Sass 0]

Okay…one more time from the top.

 

If you have to, say each letter out loud that I use in my words. Maybe then this will sink in if you think about it s...l...o...w...l...y and then it'll be ~OBVIOUS~ to even you, Captain, that we have a communication breakdown here.

 

Absolutely you should give them a pass unless it involves rape or murder. Shaq and Magic involved neither/nor so let it go.

 

OF COURSE!

 

I will reiterate this:

 

IF THE PLAYER IN QUESTION DOES SOMETHING, ANYTHING, THAT HAS A NEGATIVE EFFECT ON THE WAY THEIR TEAM PLAYS THEN THEY ARE A PROBLEM.

 

Magic fucked around, got HIV, and the next season after, the Lakers barely made it into the playoffs and the season after that they didn't even make it. Luckily, Nick Van Exel and Del Harris got hot with the team the following season after that messy one and all was right in the world again. But before that, the team was on a downward spiral because Magic, the team's main man, the go-to guy, the player who they RAN THE BALL THROUGH, was forced to leave *abruptly* and it caught the Lakers off guard. It was a sudden kick to the groin on what was an aging team that *depended* on Magic to help lead them to victory.

 

I agree with you on Kobe see above RAPE OR MURDER again... RAPE OR MURDER.

As far as his game itself goes Kobe's didnt really drop off at all until the playoffs when for the most part Shaq had to carry him as per usual and that really had nothing to do with the rape trial IMO..

 

...

 

I give up.

 

This is totally irrelevant to the part of my post you quoted. I mean totally, absolutely, and completely spurious to this discussion.

 

I wasn't even talking about an actual decrease in Kobe's game. It was a H-Y-P-O-T-H-E-T-I-C-A-L scenario that *luckily* did not come to pass since Kobe was still averaging a nice amount of points last season, when he was going back and forth to court and arenas, and *still* continued to be a crucial key to the Lakers success last season.

 

BAH! First off, all that practicing doesnt stop Kobe from folding at critical moments at playoff time. which again is all that matters. Sure, he'll make a game winning shot in Game 2 which is significant mind you but not as significant as dissapearing in Game 5 and/or relying on Shaq to get you a world title.

 

Kobe helped the Lakers win the 3rd seed in the Western Conference last season when he made the *mother* of all clutch shots at Portland when it looked as though the Lakers were going lose the game. Go back and watch that game, it was Kobe at his best, coming through for the win.

 

Shaq's weight problems are irrelevant to me since he always performed well in big games. And once again you mentioned Magic's name before I did pal.

 

Right.

 

Okay, now this is getting just downright absurd.

 

You. are. a. retard.

 

It might not be to you, since you're as freakin dense as a wall, but Shaq's overweight problem is relevant to me buddy boy. Shaq would have *never* been traded if he had gotten into the fighting shape he's in now. Never, without any questions. That's all the team wanted from him, aside from improving his deplorable free throw shot. He'd still be a Laker today and *maybe,* just maybe, him and Kobe would have had a better relationship if Kobe saw Shaq take the initiative to *improve* on his weight issues like he does with his game after the season ends.

 

Shaq did *not* perform well in the '03 or '04 seasons since the Lakers lost in the post-season games that followed those seasons. Otherwise, the Lakers would have never lost if Shaq had carried his weight in those games against the Spurs and the Pistons, no pun intended. Instead, he gassed out and everyone else was forced to pick up the slack for *THE FORCE* on the team that helped make the Lakers go-go-go for 8 seasons. Shaq's atrocious FT shots in the Pistons series were disgusting to watch because if he had made at least 2/3's of those missed shots, along with getting fouled more and making *those* shots, then the Lakers could have possibly taken the series to 7 games instead of getting shutdown in 5. They could have made that much of a difference since Hack-a-Shaq was in full force during that series. Shaq was inept on the line. Kobe got doubled and tripled teamed the entire time and that should have given Shaq his opening to score. But the Big Diesel ran out of gas the past and it is bittersweet now for me to see him doing so well with the Heat when he could and *should* have done the same thing for the Lakers when they asked him to lose his unwarranted extra weight.

 

350 pounds, no matter how big or tall you are, is still a *lot* of weight for a pair of knees to hold up. I know, I'm 6'10" and when I weighed in at around 375 a couple years ago, I found that I wasn't able to run as fast as I could and I also saw myself getting more tired easily on just a casual walk down the beach. I was strong as an Ox, my weight being mainly all muscle, but that was just too much weight for my body to try and hold up and I work out every day whenever I can to keep my weight down. This is why I had such a vested interest in his weight issues over the years because I could understand why it wasn't good for him to carry all that excess weight and got to see first hand how badly the Big Daddy's game fell as the seasons went on and his weight just went up.

 

I hope he drops down below 300 some day because he's not going to get any skinnier as he gets older unless he continues to work out and slim down, post playing career. A heart attack is imminent for him in the future if he doesn't slim down to at least his college days weight because all the extra weight is going to do is create more strain on what is probably already a stressed out heart that has worked overtime more than it should. I like Shaq but I think he is a lazy and insecure fool who rests more on his laurels than the desire to compete and improve upon his game, which Kobe does.

 

That last line was not meant to be a jab at Shaq or an endorsement for Kobe as Husband of the Year or anything. It's a *fact* of the matter.

 

The only reason I brought up Magic's name was to point out how foolish the absolution of a player for their mistakes is if their problems take a face on the court or on the field and fucks up a team's chemistry and flow, which Magic's out-of-nowhere departure did to the Lakers.

 

But, one last time for the folks who missed my OBVIOUS point about your original post above, discussing this absolution matter.

 

I could not care if they cheat, do drugs, beat up women and children, maim gays, or throw dog fights in their garages. I really don't. It is none of my business if players do any of those things. But if those things end up taking the player out of the game then I've got a problem with those things. If the person becomes a *cancer* to their team or hinders the team's success then I've got a problem with that player. Magic did it, Shaq did it, Todd Marinovich did it, someone who was a family friend, and so did Gary Payton who bitched and moaned about learning the Triangle Offense when he didn't even look at the playbook that Tex Winter had devised so that players could understand it. They hindered their team's success and it's why I had a problem with those guys.

 

That's it. That's all. I pray to Jebus that this post gets my point across and also wises you up about HOW Shaq's weight issues managed to hinder the Lakers from achieving complete success during the past couple of seasons he was with the team. It might not be "relevant" to you but to Laker fans, it's still a fuckin travesty that things did not change for the better (Shaq getting into shape, helping Lakers win last championship, etc.).

 

I mean, damn, you have to be one of the denser folks I've encountered in a Laker haters debate in a while. Amazing.

[Guest Vitamin X]

I like how Sass used purple and gold to get his point across even more.

 

Well-spoken. Some people are so blind in their hatred for what they hear about Kobe that they refuse to acknowledge the facts and give him any sort of credit.

 

At least I'm not alone anymore defending my point.

[alfdogg 0]

Plus, that is an extremely overrated stat. Just because you average so many assists doesn't necessarily make you more of a team player. For all we know, you could only be passing the ball those six times per game. Steve Francis averages more assists than Doug Christie does, but which one would you rather have as a teammate?

Then let's see a stat that would show it.

Well, there's obviously no statistical way to prove it for or against anyone, but I'm using the thread I posted last night to come up with something that may shed a tiny light on it. And for the record, that quote was just a general statement, it wasn't intended as a shot at anyone.

 

In other news, Pacers beat the Duncan-less Spurs 100-93, with Reggie Miller reaching the 25,000-point plateau.

[Guest Vitamin X]

For the record, depending on what team he was on, I'd probably take Francis over Christie.

[MrRant 0]

You forgot one very important point Sass.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lakers Suck.

[Sass 0]

No doubt.

 

They're just a bad team right now. Something needs to happen.

[mike546 0]

Speaking of ball hogs, theres an insider article on espn where this odd formula is used to calculate basically whos the biggest ballhog in the NBA.

 

The data shows AI is number one, but thats doesn't really count, because he has too hold the ball all the time to pass, and shoot to keep the Sixers in the game. Kobe is number 2, followed by Jermaine O'Neal, Lebron, McGrady, Wade and then Webber.

 

Heres the formula: Using a stat I call Usage Rate, we can determine how many possessions a player uses per 40 minutes. Usage Rate adds a player's shot attempts, turnovers, As with my other methods, I multiply free-throw attempts by 0.44 to put them on equal footing with field-goal attempts. Also, assists are valued at one-third, since of the three acts involved in the play – getting open, making the pass and making the shot – the passer only did one. Dividing that result by the player's minutes and multiplying by 40 makes it a per-minute rating. Finally, I multiply the whole thing by the league average pace and divide by the player's team's pace, thus leveling the ground for players on fast- and slow-paced teams.

 

Written by John Hollinger

[razazteca 0]

Shooting point guards are ball hogs?

[Precious Roy 0]

That was the greatest display from Mike Dunleavy I've ever witnessed

[Precious Roy 0]

Plus, that is an extremely overrated stat. Just because you average so many assists doesn't necessarily make you more of a team player. For all we know, you could only be passing the ball those six times per game. Steve Francis averages more assists than Doug Christie does, but which one would you rather have as a teammate?

Then let's see a stat that would show it.

Well, there's obviously no statistical way to prove it for or against anyone, but I'm using the thread I posted last night to come up with something that may shed a tiny light on it. And for the record, that quote was just a general statement, it wasn't intended as a shot at anyone.

I agree with you to a degree. Christie is the type of guy you'd want to play pickup ball with because you know he's looking to get the ball to other guys and he's playing unselfish and smart. Francis would just hog the ball, hotdog it on the dribble, and shoot all the time. Guys like that might be "good" but they're no fun to be teammates with. Most guys in the NBA would rather play with a guy like Christie than a guy like Francis.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Shooting point guards are ball hogs?

Wade and Jermaine O'Neal aren't.

[Precious Roy 0]

Shooting point guards are ball hogs?

Wade and Jermaine O'Neal aren't.

[smh810 0]

Erm.. what? Kobe took something like 3-4 game winning shots towards the end of the 03-04 season to get them better positioning in the playoffs, his PPG for last year's postseason was higher than Shaq's as well..

 

Shaq only showed up for the NBA Finals, because the Pistons were the first team to figure out where the offense on the Lakers was coming from. They let Shaq get his points, knowing they couldn't guard him inside, and shut down the rest of the team. How many times does that have to be explained to you before you understand?

 

I never said Kobe isnt a good player and cant be clutch, I have said he cant be clutch when it counts "the most". (ie NBA Finals and more specifically the most critical games in the NBA finals ) Kobe may have had better stats but Shaq played much better in defeat overall.

 

 

 

...

 

I give up.

 

This is totally irrelevant to the part of my post you quoted. I mean totally, absolutely, and completely spurious to this discussion.

 

I wasn't even talking about an actual decrease in Kobe's game. It was a H-Y-P-O-T-H-E-T-I-C-A-L scenario that *luckily* did not come to pass since Kobe was still averaging a nice amount of points last season, when he was going back and forth to court and arenas, and *still* continued to be a crucial key to the Lakers success last season.

 

Well your H-Y-P-O-T-H-E-T-I-C-A-L scneario didnt happen so why even bother to bring it up.

 

Right.

 

Okay, now this is getting just downright absurd.

 

You. are. a. retard.

 

It might not be to you, since you're as freakin dense as a wall, but Shaq's overweight problem is relevant to me buddy boy. Shaq would have *never* been traded if he had gotten into the fighting shape he's in now. Never, without any questions. That's all the team wanted from him, aside from improving his deplorable free throw shot. He'd still be a Laker today and *maybe,* just maybe, him and Kobe would have had a better relationship if Kobe saw Shaq take the initiative to *improve* on his weight issues like he does with his game after the season ends.

 

Shaq did *not* perform well in the '03 or '04 seasons since the Lakers lost in the post-season games that followed those seasons. Otherwise, the Lakers would have never lost if Shaq had carried his weight in those games against the Spurs and the Pistons, no pun intended. Instead, he gassed out and everyone else was forced to pick up the slack for *THE FORCE* on the team that helped make the Lakers go-go-go for 8 seasons. Shaq's atrocious FT shots in the Pistons series were disgusting to watch because if he had made at least 2/3's of those missed shots, along with getting fouled more and making *those* shots, then the Lakers could have possibly taken the series to 7 games instead of getting shutdown in 5. They could have made that much of a difference since Hack-a-Shaq was in full force during that series. Shaq was inept on the line. Kobe got doubled and tripled teamed the entire time and that should have given Shaq his opening to score. But the Big Diesel ran out of gas the past and it is bittersweet now for me to see him doing so well with the Heat when he could and *should* have done the same thing for the Lakers when they asked him to lose his unwarranted extra weight.

 

350 pounds, no matter how big or tall you are, is still a *lot* of weight for a pair of knees to hold up. I know, I'm 6'10" and when I weighed in at around 375 a couple years ago, I found that I wasn't able to run as fast as I could and I also saw myself getting more tired easily on just a casual walk down the beach. I was strong as an Ox, my weight being mainly all muscle, but that was just too much weight for my body to try and hold up and I work out every day whenever I can to keep my weight down. This is why I had such a vested interest in his weight issues over the years because I could understand why it wasn't good for him to carry all that excess weight and got to see first hand how badly the Big Daddy's game fell as the seasons went on and his weight just went up.

 

I hope he drops down below 300 some day because he's not going to get any skinnier as he gets older unless he continues to work out and slim down, post playing career. A heart attack is imminent for him in the future if he doesn't slim down to at least his college days weight because all the extra weight is going to do is create more strain on what is probably already a stressed out heart that has worked overtime more than it should. I like Shaq but I think he is a lazy and insecure fool who rests more on his laurels than the desire to compete and improve upon his game, which Kobe does.

 

That last line was not meant to be a jab at Shaq or an endorsement for Kobe as Husband of the Year or anything. It's a *fact* of the matter.

 

The only reason I brought up Magic's name was to point out how foolish the absolution of a player for their mistakes is if their problems take a face on the court or on the field and fucks up a team's chemistry and flow, which Magic's out-of-nowhere departure did to the Lakers.

 

But, one last time for the folks who missed my OBVIOUS point about your original post above, discussing this absolution matter.

 

I could not care if they cheat, do drugs, beat up women and children, maim gays, or throw dog fights in their garages. I really don't. It is none of my business if players do any of those things. But if those things end up taking the player out of the game then I've got a problem with those things. If the person becomes a *cancer* to their team or hinders the team's success then I've got a problem with that player. Magic did it, Shaq did it, Todd Marinovich did it, someone who was a family friend, and so did Gary Payton who bitched and moaned about learning the Triangle Offense when he didn't even look at the playbook that Tex Winter had devised so that players could understand it. They hindered their team's success and it's why I had a problem with those guys.

 

That's it. That's all. I pray to Jebus that this post gets my point across and also wises you up about HOW Shaq's weight issues managed to hinder the Lakers from achieving complete success during the past couple of seasons he was with the team. It might not be "relevant" to you but to Laker fans, it's still a fuckin travesty that things did not change for the better (Shaq getting into shape, helping Lakers win last championship, etc.).

 

I mean, damn, you have to be one of the denser folks I've encountered in a Laker haters debate in a while. Amazing.

 

Let me start out by agreeing with you on one thing, Gary Payton was completely useless for LA last season and was a major contributing factor for the Lakers not winning another title. Now as for the rest of your points, I understand if youre sensitive to the weight issue based on your own personal experiences but I'm afraid youre letting that clout your view of Shaq's performance. He's always was there in the playoffs and never folded. Plus, his FT's have always been atrocious so did you expect anything more? Again blame Gary Payton and Kobe disappearing and maybe even Karl Malone's injury they contributed to the loss too you know.

 

PS. I'm not the only retard who thinks like this ask Bob Barron who contributed more to the Lakers and who brought up the Magic vs. Shaq comparison in the first place.

[Guest Bobby K.]

Man I don't know what it is, but I'm loving the emotion that is going on in the Golden State vs Dallas game tonight. Dunleavy getting into the face of the ref is just what the team needed I think to get going. Now although Dallas is proving to be the better team in the game, I think its wonderful Golden State has finally become watchable and can only improve from this point on.

[Sass 0]

I never said Kobe isnt a good player and cant be clutch, I have said he cant be clutch when it counts "the most". (ie NBA Finals and more specifically the most critical games in the NBA finals )  Kobe may have had better stats but Shaq played much better in defeat overall.

*sigh*

 

You grow denser, and denser, and denser with each blithering post...

 

Okay, this is the part of your post above I was responding to:

 

BAH! First off, all that practicing doesnt stop Kobe from folding at critical moments at playoff time. which again is all that matters. Sure, he'll make a game winning shot in Game 2 which is significant mind you but not as significant as dissapearing in Game 5 and/or relying on Shaq to get you a world title.

 

Kobe didn't fold in any of the Finals last season since he got double and triple teamed during all of those games. He didn't even have a *chance* to fold in those games since he was being guarded like Fort Knox.

 

Shaq? Of course any team with Shaq is going to rely on him to take them to the promise land. It's the same plan that the Heat currently have going with Shaq and it is working since he's in better shape now.

 

Well your  H-Y-P-O-T-H-E-T-I-C-A-L scneario didnt happen so why even bother to bring it up.

 

I'll break...this...down...for...you...

 

Slower.

 

You brought up how fans should exonerate players if they get into outside trouble if they win a lot of games and bring home a couple of championships.

 

Absolutely you should give them a pass unless it involves rape or murder.

 

I said "bullshit" because it could be anything. Extreme pothead dogging it in games? Bullshit. Getting suspended for a couple games for failing a drug test? Bullshit. Making a drug deal that nets some prison time to it and missing a season? Bullshit. Being arrested and missing games for hosting dog fights in your house? Bullshit. Being out of shape and not doing anything about it? Bullshit.

 

It doesn't have to only involve rape or murder. They get paid to play ball and win. If the player is unable to do that for some bullshit type of reason(s), then I've got a problem, as a fan, with that.

 

I was speaking hypothetically about Kobe's game lagging because of his court situation from last year causing his game to drop off in regards to a player's off-court problems having a negative effect on their game.

 

IT NEVER HAPPENED

 

That's why it was hypothetical you dolt.

 

It *never* happened. Kobe's game did *not* trail off at all last season. He tuned all that shit out when he hit the court and he went to work and did his job without ever faltering or curling up into a ball.

 

Ask for the rest of your pitiful attempt at deviating from the main points I made?

 

Nah.

 

I'm not even going to touch it.

 

All you're doing now is back pedaling like mad in order to save a little dignity and face here after getting taken back to school.

 

Let's seeeee, in the passing-the-buck-to-someone-else list, you brought up the following people:

 

Me

Gary Payton

Karl Malone

Bob Barron

 

...who have absolutely nothing to do with the points of contention between us.

 

That's just *swell* that you agree with me on how useless Gary Payton was in the Finals. It's *wonderful* that you recognized how Karl Malone's knee injury didn't help the Lakers out in the Finals. I also think it's so *thoughtful* of you to think I'm "sensitive" about my weight when I'm really not and never said I was. But, boy oh boy, insinuating Bob Barron is a retard, by you, is probably one of the worst cases of the pot calling the kettle black that I've seen after having this nauseating merry-go-round suckfest with you.

 

That's probably the biggest firkin insult I've seen thrown at someone on this board since Prince Paul got burned for his wife giving him hell for looking at cocks online. Barron should lay his pimp hand on you for even trying to drag his good name through the mud in this torrid discussion.

 

Wanker.

 

I see that you've also got the Tampa Bay Lightning logo in your avatar.

 

Neato!

 

But now, it's starting to make sense, this "debate" of the great minds...

 

I get the feeling that you're a *huge* homer for Florida teams. All you've done is come up with excuse after lame excuse for Shaq's former fat ass problems while also dodging the ~OBVIOUS~ points that Mr. Magoo could even see.

 

That or you're Shaq's bitch Shaunie incognito.

 

The loads of garbage you've spewed in trying to cover up for the Big Aristotle's *glaring* flaws has left a wretched stench in this thread. I've grown ill now I think.

 

One other thing too.

 

Using the colored text that I used?

 

It makes you look like a biter who is trying too hard to not look bad. Just stop while you're ahead. It's not cute. If you just fess up to never having watched last year's NBA Finals, where you said Kobe choked, and also trying to bemoan the fact that Shaq had an issue with his weight, then I'll stop right here with this post.

 

Actually, you know what?

 

Don't post. You'll only embarrass yourself more. I'll just take your silence as a good will gesture on your part and figure that you finally got a clue and stopped trying to be the Florida fanboy crusader protector for lazy fuck athletes in your area sector and call this whole thing off.

 

I pwamise. Pinky swear.

 

Learn some proper fuckin grammar too. Yourposts make my eyes watr. since theyre unplesent to reed. Plese.

[MrRant 0]

Stop channeling Dr. Tom with the wanker type comments Sass.

 

Be your own man.

[Sass 0]

Not even. That puff ripped *me* off with the wannabe English diatribe.

 

Sorry, I just watched Eurotrip earlier. It wasn't half bad.

[Guest Vitamin X]

PS. I'm not the only retard who thinks like this ask Bob Barron who contributed more to the Lakers

 

Bob barron contributed to the Lakers? Zuh? No wonder we lost the Finals and can't make the playoffs this season.

[Guest Flyboy]

Sorry, I just watched Eurotrip earlier. It wasn't half bad.

Yeah, I saw Eurotrip a few weeks ago. I was expecting a lot worse, but it wasn't that bad at all.

[Crimson Platypus 0]

I can't believe you are busting on Magic for getting the HIV. That's pretty fucking shallow, and a long way away from Shaq's weight problems or Kobe being accused of rape. Yeah he cheated on his wife, so? Last I checked adultry isn't illegal. Also, if I remember correctly, Shaq's weight problems stemmed from a nagging toe injury (made worse by being overweight).

[The Czech Republic 0]

PS. I'm not the only retard who thinks like this ask Bob Barron who contributed more to the Lakers

 

Bob barron contributed to the Lakers? Zuh? No wonder we lost the Finals and can't make the playoffs this season..

Bob Barron > Slava Medvedenko

[Damaramu 0]

Man what was with everyone starting shit with Dirk last night? And 12 T's? Amazing.