The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted March 28, 2005 People want to be Christianity That's a lofty aspiration Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BDC Report post Posted March 28, 2005 RobotJerk, your statement of belief in Jesus as a teacher but not anything more doesn't really shake out. His teachings are chock full of statements about divinity and things he did. Saying he was a teacher without the supernatural elements is you saying you admire an utter madman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Use Your Illusion 0 Report post Posted March 28, 2005 Has to do with God being love. God is love, therefore, all he can do is kill himself for you, because it's the ultimate expression of love. If you've read the Preacher comics, you'll understand. God needs us to love him (that's why he exists), and he must perform the ultimate sacrifice for us (that's his nature). It explains everything neatly... God needs us to need him to die for us, and he needs to die for us... because he is love. All that symbolism is just adding weight to my belief that the Bible is mostly a work of fiction. Not really symbolism. It shouldn't make you think that, really, I don't think you quite understood. To understand that isn't going to make you happy with God, it makes him look bad. When you understand that God is love, and stop thinking about them as two seperate things, at most wrapped up in each other, that's why an almighty God allows bad things to happen. That's why the world is screwed up. He needs (and I mean needs quite literally here... it would be a craving akin to breathing) us to love him. Why is it that a blood sacrifice is required for sin? Why is it that the death of Jesus is the only thing that can save us? Who set up those rules? God did. He did because he has to sacrifice himself... that's what love is (now a lot of people say here it isn't love because he fucked us over first and made us need him to do it... remember, there is no love which is not God. Love as a freely sentient entity has to do those things, because that's the only way to get us in a position where we need it). When people understand this, they can say "Well, I wouldn't have anything to do with a god like that." or they accept it. A God who is love needs both responses. That was brilliant, I may bring this point up in class next week. I'll be sure to quote my source as a guy named 'St.IDrinkRatsMilk' for added impact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted March 29, 2005 I always found mans disobediance to God (the original sin) to be the product of love in the first place and it was kinda on God. I mean, if you really look at the story of Adam and Eve, its more of just a statment that love is more important than anything else. God made Adam and gave him domain and control over everything that there was AND Adam was able to be in the magnificent presence of God and it STILL wasn't enough. Adam needed Eve in the same way God needed Adam. He needed someone he could love and could return it. God used Adams rib, thus saying that Adam was not a complete man unless Eve was by his side. She made him whole. Then Eve goes and does the fruit thing, which Adam knows what the reprecussions would be, so he bites into the fruit also, not because the Devil tricked him, but he was sacrificing himself and all that he had to be with the one he loved because without her he would not be complete. Dude gave up everything to be with someone he loved. Thats a pretty kick ass story. Then, their kids start killing each other and stuff and I guess its not as sweet then, but hey...one hell of a love story. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted March 29, 2005 Has to do with God being love. God is love, therefore, all he can do is kill himself for you, because it's the ultimate expression of love. If you've read the Preacher comics, you'll understand. God needs us to love him (that's why he exists), and he must perform the ultimate sacrifice for us (that's his nature). It explains everything neatly... God needs us to need him to die for us, and he needs to die for us... because he is love. This is the most awesome explanation of God I've read in a long, long time. And the fact that you cite the Preacher comics as a reference makes me you a little. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted March 29, 2005 RobotJerk, your statement of belief in Jesus as a teacher but not anything more doesn't really shake out. His teachings are chock full of statements about divinity and things he did. Saying he was a teacher without the supernatural elements is you saying you admire an utter madman. Like people haven't admired utter madmen before... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Golgo 13 0 Report post Posted March 29, 2005 God has some fucked up dependency issues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted March 29, 2005 I always found mans disobediance to God (the original sin) to be the product of love in the first place and it was kinda on God. I was just wondering what you meant by "on God". Like what do you place on God, the blame, or the fact that Adam and Eve had a chance to love each other, or something else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CBright7831 0 Report post Posted April 5, 2005 From what I believe, Jesus is the human form of God, and 1/3 of the trilogy Was He a New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, or Return of The Jedi? Because I don't really care for ROTJ Why? Because of the Ewoks? It featured the first time we saw the notorious gangster, Jabba The Hutt: HO HO HO! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites