Were there plans for Hogan vs Zeus at WMania 6?

[Vern Gagne 0]

If Micheal's doesn't lose his smile, what happens to Stone Cold at WM XIII?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

My guess is something with Undertaker or Vader, based off of his throwing them out of the Rumble match.

[CBright7831 0]

Interesting. I guess that raises another question about which WrestleMania main events were changed...

 

Was WrestleMania I always planned to be the tag match, or was it originally planned to be Hogan vs Piper but Piper didn't want to job?

 

WrestleMania IV was planned to be DiBiase winning the title according to most sources. The opponent isn't clear, but Bigelow makes sense.

 

WrestleMania V may have been Hogan vs DiBiase.

 

WrestleMania VI would have been Hogan vs Zeus.

 

I think I read somewhere that if the Gulf War had not happened, the main event of WrestleMania VII would have been Hogan vs Warrior II.

 

WrestleMania VIII was nearly Hogan vs Flair.

 

Did WWE ever try to do Hogan vs Hart at WrestleMania IX?

 

WrestleMania XIII would have been the Hart vs Michaels rematch if Shawn had not lost his smile.

 

WrestleMania XX was originally planned to be HHH vs Benoit but they added Michaels into the mix as they were uncertain whether Benoit was over enough as a face draw.

 

WrestleMania XXI was originally expected to be HHH vs Orton.

 

Cheers.

Wrestlemania 2000 was originally going to be Austin vs. Rock, wasn't it?

 

But Austin got injured.

[Guest MikeSC]

I can't imagine it would have been. The WWF has never been fond of repeat ME's for WM.

-=Mike

[Slickster 0]

I had heard they were initially looking to do Austin-Big Show at WM2000.

[Guest Shadow]

Austin-The Big Show was written in the books almost the second they signed TBS.

 

Vince had the notion it would be Andre/Hogan for this generation.

 

After Austin's injury; I believe Rock-HHH was written down but Foley got so over they decided to expand it and have the title change a month later.

 

In the end it was the right move to have HHH go over that night.

 

The repeat thing doesn't hold to much weight, considering they did hogan/andre at 3 and it's second round match was the biggest hyped match for IV. Warrior/Hogan was scheduled to main event VII but after Warrior tanked, they shaved the match.

 

Yoko/Bret was done back to back.

 

They wanted Shawn/Bret to repeat main event @ 13.

[Guest J0bber]

I never understood the booking at Summerslam 89 as Hogan beat Zeus clean in the middle.  How would have this led to a singles match as Hogan had already defeated the monster challenger clean?  After the PPV, they sort of pretended the pinfall didn't happen as Zeus was back to being the "Human Wrecking Machine". Very weird booking (especially for the time frame) as I thought for sure Savage was taking the pinfall in the tag match.

If I recall, Hogan did not beat Zeus clean at Summerslam. He nailed him with Sherri's purse and then gave him a legdrop for the win.

[Promoter 0]

WM XX was originally going to be HHH/Goldberg if anyone remembers. Then it got changed to Goldberg/Lesnar champ vs. champ.

 

WM 21 was going to be HHH/Brock.

 

WM 18 was also rumoured here in Toronto to be The Rock vs. Austin rematch from WM 17 in another champ vs. champ scenario. The whole invasion thing bombed and changed things. It was then going to be Austin/HHH for WM 18 because HHH was asking for Austin/HHH for WM 17. Now, I know he gets hated on, but in hindsight that MIGHT have been the match to do for WM 17 with how things went down. Austin stays face and remains champ, while Triple H would have kept the title for a year for heat.

 

WM 16 WAS HHH/Rock because they had ads for it in magazines. Austin/Show was the first match they pencilled in, but then it got changed to Austin/Rock for WM 2000 before the injury. Rock and Austin were rivalling in popularity at the time. They supposedly wanted Rock to get his win back from jobbing at WM 15 in a face vs. face match. The plan was the same as the 17 match supposedly. They were testing who was more over as a face in the months prior with polls and teaming them up.

 

WM 14 was going to be Bret Hart and Steve Austin alledgedly before that whole disaster at Survivor Series and the contract thing.

 

WM 13 I've heard different things. I remember Austin alledgedly was suppose to win the final four match and become the champion with Bret costing him the title the next night against Sid. Bret would then win the title from Sid in the cage match and it would have been Bret/Austin at WM 13. WM 13 was really strange.

 

WM 11 early on had Bret/Owen as a possible main event, but Diesel was getting face heat with matches with Bret and they shifted gears.

 

WM 6 I have also heard was going to be Perfect against Hogan and that's why the Rumble and Perfect smashing the belt played out the way it did.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

WM XX was going to see Hunter v Orton at first, as well as Goldberg v Rock. There was never any definite plan for Hunter v Goldberg.

 

Austin was never going to win the Final Four. That myth has been debunked repeatedly here the past month or so.

 

WM 6 was always going to be Hogan v Warrior.

[Promoter 0]

WM 6 wasn't always going to be Hogan vs. Warrior. I live in Toronto and the rumours were Hogan/Perfect and supposedly we were battling with LA Coliseum and the SuperDome for the event. Tunney alledgedly got them to have it here since it was a brand new facility at the time. Maybe, Vince is upset that he didn't do it in LA because that was their best chance to get 100,000 fans.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Rumors based on what, exactly ?

 

Hogan v Perfect drew very badly at house shows, so why would it headline WM 6 ?

[Promoter 0]

It was the planned match that was why they were doing it at house shows after not deciding to do Hogan/Zeus. It got yanked for the reason you said. Anyone who lived in Toronto at the time got inside scoops because Jack Tunney leaked stuff to our media. He didn't outright say things to spoil, but you had to read between the lines since it was kayfabe heavy in those days.

 

The WM 4 rumour with Dibase was actually a prediction by our media with everything down to Bam Bam against Dibase. I didn't buy it all and when I came on the net YEARS later to see that Dibase was suppose to win I was surprised. Tunney even kind of leaked Hogan jobbing to Andre on NBC. They announced in our media that NBC would have the first live special for pro wrestling in 50 years and the writer asked the question "how embarassing would it be if Hogan lost his title on live tv? There are other stuff like this I can remember. I was in mark mode until 1990 where I became semi-smark.

 

Bret Hart DID demand the title or he would jump in 1992 after headlining SummerSlam in September. Vince caved in and suddenly he became champion a month later. Bret was getting the best responses and Warrior was still just "there".

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I fired off an e-mail to Meltzer about the WM 6 and Bret Hart myths. His reply:

 

"No to both"

 

The WM 6 one I already refuted, and where did you hear that absurd Bret Hart story anyway ?

[Some Guy 0]

Bret Hart DID demand the title or he would jump in 1992 after headlining SummerSlam in September. Vince caved in and suddenly he became champion a month later. Bret was getting the best responses and Warrior was still just "there".

I have never even heard that before and I've heard most of the IWC myths. Somehow, I'm not suprised that Meltz denied it.

[Guest Shadow]

I think he got the Bret Hart contract issues in the begining of the 1992 year confused. Wasn't Bret "threatening" to head to WCW at some point around late 1991? and thus why they took the belt off him?

just in case

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Bret's IC Title loss had nothing to do with his contractual issues. It was just a way to set up a babyface match between him and Piper.

[Guest JMA]

Sometimes I wonder what would've happened if Hogan had never made No Holds Barred and if the Ultimate Warrior had never joined the WWF. Would Hogan have still dropped the title? And who would've gotten Warrior's mega-push?

[Guest Shadow]

Hogan didnt drop the title because of No Holds Barred; he dropped the title because vince and hogan himself wanted to put warrior over(hogan of course knowing he'd get the title back) What difference? eventually one of those big monsters would have gotten the title off him for a couple months and Hogan would get it back.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Hogan dropped the belt because Vince knew he'd be off doing a movie, as Hogan had long wanted to break into the movie scene, and Vince wanted the WWF Title to headline house show matches. The plan for Warrior to be the man to get the ball was made back in spring of '88, because that's why Warrior got the IC Title; Vince wanted to get him over enough so that by the time Hogan would drop the belt to Warrior, Warrior would be over enough to get it.

 

And Hogan didn't want to put Warrior over for the belt. He, and others, for that matter, didn't think Warrior deserved it, though in Hogan's case it was mostly down to simply not really wanting to put Warrior over.

[Guest JMA]

So, if Hogan never left to film the movie and Warrior never came to WWF, how different would things have been? I can't really imagine who would've gotten Warrior's push.

[Guest Shadow]

Kerry Von Erich?

[Guest JMA]

Kerry Von Erich?

That could've worked, but I doubt that Kerry would've left World Class.

[Guest Shadow]

He already was working for Vince in 1989, so it wouldn't be too far-fetched.

[Guest JMA]

He already was working for Vince in 1989, so it wouldn't be too far-fetched.

It definitely could've worked. Kerry was a much better worker than Warrior (although that's not saying much) and was certainly over. Someone else would've had to beat the Honky Tonk Man at SummerSlam, though (most likely Savage).

[Jericholic82 0]

no holds barred was filmed in 1988. The movie youre thinking of is surbuban comando which hogan filmed in the spring-summer of 1990 (explaining why earthquake "injured" hogan and he was gone for a few months)

[Guest Shadow]

He already was working for Vince in 1989, so it wouldn't be too far-fetched.

It definitely could've worked. Kerry was a much better worker than Warrior (although that's not saying much) and was certainly over. Someone else would've had to beat the Honky Tonk Man at SummerSlam, though (most likely Savage).

Actually; What about HTM's original challenger for that night? Brutus Beefcake. What was the plan for that match anyways? I thought the injury was legit right?

 

 

Savage was already a former IC champion; they rarely at the time had a former champion get a second run.

 

So if the original Dibiase title reign plan had occured, I believe Savage/Dibiase would have been the summer feud while Hogan/Dibiase contiuned to build to Mania 5.

 

Pretty much leaving Beefcake as the natural guy to take it from htm if it wasn't going to be warrior. Beefcake would have likely jobbed it to Rude who'd drop it to von erich who drop it to perfect.

[Guest JMA]

no holds barred was filmed in 1988. The movie youre thinking of is surbuban comando which hogan filmed in the spring-summer of 1990 (explaining why earthquake "injured" hogan and he was gone for a few months)

Actually, I AM thinking of No Holds Barred. I'm questioning what would've happened had Hogan not been in the movie and if Warrior had never joined the WWF.

[Guest JMA]

He already was working for Vince in 1989, so it wouldn't be too far-fetched.

It definitely could've worked. Kerry was a much better worker than Warrior (although that's not saying much) and was certainly over. Someone else would've had to beat the Honky Tonk Man at SummerSlam, though (most likely Savage).

Actually; What about HTM's original challenger for that night? Brutus Beefcake. What was the plan for that match anyways? I thought the injury was legit right?

 

 

Savage was already a former IC champion; they rarely at the time had a former champion get a second run.

 

So if the original Dibiase title reign plan had occured, I believe Savage/Dibiase would have been the summer feud while Hogan/Dibiase contiuned to build to Mania 5.

 

Pretty much leaving Beefcake as the natural guy to take it from htm if it wasn't going to be warrior. Beefcake would have likely jobbed it to Rude who'd drop it to von erich who drop it to perfect.

Regarding Beefcake, I've always heard that he wasn't as over as the higher ups wanted him to be (explaining why he never won the IC title). I remember him being "injured" by Ron Bass and unable to compete at SummerSlam in kayfabe terms.

 

I'm assuming that you mean Von Erich would job the IC title to Perfect before WrestleMania XI, right?

[geniusMoment 0]

I always thought the plan for Mania 13 was:

 

Undertaker/Sid---------Title Match

Bret/Shawn--------------Grudge Match

Austin/Pillman-----------Submission Match

 

 

Once Pillman reinjured his ankle they had to scrap the Pillman plans, and once shawn lost his smile they had to redue the Bret match. Its funny how things worked out, as the Bret/Austin match was a great kickoff to the biggest boom period in the history of the WWf.