What should HHH do

[Guest JMA]

^HAHAHAHAHAH

Hey, it could happen.*

 

*It couldn't happen.

[Celtic Jobber 0]

When he's through with Batista, ol' Trips will probably have Cena and/or Eddie jump to RAW so he can have fresh squash material.

[iggymcfly 0]

So does anyone have any ideas for what they should really do with Trips? I mean, he's the most over heel on either brand, so it would be stupid to just take him off TV altogether. What I'm looking for here is more what you'd do as a real booker, rather than a vengeful internet fan.

 

If you're saying he's gotten a little stale, I agree, and that's why I like the Flair idea. By taking HHH away from his support system, and keeping him away from the title, it would help him get away from the same promos we've been hearing for the last couple years. If anything, I think HHH needs to get back in touch with his irrational, aggressive side, as the cool, cocky, champion is what we're most sick of.

 

Finally, the last thing HHH needs is a manager right now. When Evolution was going strong, it made sense for Flair to be there as the "past" and help Orton and Batista get over while justifying his own existence. However, now that Evolution's basically dissolved, Flair should go to someone new, and let HHH be paranoid all by himself.

[Celtic Jobber 0]

What should they really do with him?

 

I think they should trade HHH to Smackdown where he would have plenty of fresh matches/feuds. But who would they trade him for? JBL?

[The Niggardly King 0]

Seriously... I would have Batista "injure" him and he could go away for a few months. Start hyping Batista as guy who could ruin your career. Let HHH come back, have a little blood feud with Batista, with Batista going over in some gimmick match. HHH would then work near the top of the card for a few years with an occasional title shot. By the time he'd get back to the belt, there would be a whole new batch of people for him to have feuds with.

 

Never happen, but that would be the best thing to do with Triple H.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I mean, he's the most over heel on either brand, so it would be stupid to just take him off TV altogether.

 

That's because they invest more time in him as a heel than anyone. They've invested SIX FUCKING YEARS into him as a heel and they CONTINUE TO DO IT. Time to put that effort into someone else, and they can't do that with HHH still on TV.

[iggymcfly 0]

I mean, he's the most over heel on either brand, so it would be stupid to just take him off TV altogether.

 

That's because they invest more time in him as a heel than anyone. They've invested SIX FUCKING YEARS into him as a heel and they CONTINUE TO DO IT. Time to put that effort into someone else, and they can't do that with HHH still on TV.

Of course they can. It's called putting him in the upper midcard for the next nine months. If you had HHH feuding with the guys that aren't absolutely to the top yet, and maybe putting one of them over, it would help out the Raw brand a lot. Say they spent a few months rebuilding Jericho, and then HHH put him over at Survivor Series, it would be huge as far as moving him up, and making him draw better as a challenger without actually giving him the title.

 

Likewise, if we did have Orton or Edge main eventing multiple PPVs as a heel, it would make them seem more like real top guys if HHH was there wrestling on the undercard, than it would if they "only had the spot because HHH was injured".

 

Finally, there aren't that many top heels on Raw. Hassan's slowly getting elevated, and Orton will get back from injury eventually, but for now, Edge and HHH are the only truly credible heels on Raw. They're needed both to fill out the card for the brand-exclusive PPVs, and to make sure that the upper level faces don't lose overness by getting left off the card.

 

The reason HHH is so over is the same reason that Angle and Undertaker are so over. People remember them being top guys back when the WWE was at its peak. They just have a natural crediblity from it. There's nothing wrong with HHH right now that nine months away from the title and a couple of character tweaks couldn't save.

[Guest Ransome]

If they're serious about Batista, they have to let him grow on his own, without being in Triple H's shadow or continually reminding us that he's just keeping the championship warm for Triple H's 11th reign. After Backlash, Triple H will have to accept a lower feud and stay the heck away from the World title until Summerslam (at the very least) if Batista is ever going to establish himself.

 

The problem, of course, is that they've booked themselves into a bit of a corner by hammering home the fact that Triple H is obsessed with the title so many times that it's difficult to imagine why his character would knowingly step out of the title scene for any length of time.

[Black Lushus 0]

I'm just curious to see if there will be a champ in between HHH and whoever he loses to...other than Benoit and Orton, has that ever happened since he really became THE focal point?

[Guest Duncan Eternia]

Well, one of my favorite moments from last year was seeing William Regal verbally bitch slap HHH on RAW. I wouldn't mind seeing a well-built feud between them. Regal seems to be over with the crowd enough to warrant an upper-level push. Of course, I am doubtful WWE creative can put together a "well-built" feud. Regal is very entertaining, it's time to see what he can do with management solidly behind him.

[Black Lushus 0]

I don't wanna see that because Regal will just be eventually made to look like his bitch no matter how strong he looks through the entire fued, just like they did with Eugene...HHH will ALWAYS have the final word in any fued he's involved in...

[Guest JMA]

I just hope that Triple H isn't the World Champion (or WWE Champion for that matter) come WrestleMania. And if they really want Batista to be over, they shouldn't have him job to Triple H at least until sometime after WrestleMania 22.

 

Whatever happens, Raw needs to start building up a NEW number one heel. Right now, Edge is the logical choice.

[Some Guy 0]

I'd so an injury angle at Backlash and keep him off TV until Summerslam. While he's gone there should be no mention of him directly, but I would have little backstage clips of some of the heels (Edge, Shelton [assuming he's turning], Christian, etc...) talking to someone on their cell phones. Have HHH return the night after Summerslam with a new version of Evolution with the story being that he set it up over the phone while was injured. Then he and Evolution can go after Big Dave and the title.

 

Either that or I would have him be so pissed about losing to Batista two straight that he would start losing his concentration and/or making mistakes during matches causing him to lose. After a couple of months of this I would have him reform Evolution to help him get his head straight and go after the title.

 

I think I laid out two resonable storylines, that could and maybe should happen. I know that he won't just start jobbing or just disapear after losing to Batista for no reason. I think the first scenario would be the best of both worlds for everyone. HHH is off TV for a while and then comes back fresh and heathly for a run at the title. There is no way to keep him away from the strap or the ME for any longer.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Of course they can. It's called putting him in the upper midcard for the next nine months.

 

Nope.

 

HHH on TV means that there's the possibility of him getting the title back at any time. The fans have been conditioned for that, because it has been the trend for 3 years. They won't accept any one in the top spot as long as HHH is there, especially a heel. There will always be the sense that whomever is holding the belt now, will soon drop it; that the only permanent thing on RAW is HHH. Therefore, if you take HHH off of television, that would allow the fans to actually invest themselves in the characters on top. Quite frankly, HHH has been death to everyone he has feuded with since Kurt Angle, besides the Undertaker.

 

If you had HHH feuding with the guys that aren't absolutely to the top yet, and maybe putting one of them over, it would help out the Raw brand a lot.

 

Nope.

 

Besides the fact that HHH doesn't put people over, thus making this concept laughable, he does way too many meaningless jobs. Lost to Benjamin 3 times in a row, didn't do anything for the kid. He could lose to Edge and he still wouldn't "lose" anything. Because its happened so many times before. The only time HHH losing had meaning was back in 2000 was when TAKA almost beat him. Since then, they've tried to recreate that same thing with countless guys, and the result has been the same - someone gets close to defeating HHH one day, they are on HEAT the next. The only way someone can "go over" HHH is to eliminate him, because anything else is still being "under" HHH. Fans have been conditioned to accept him and only him in the spotlight, he could show up for 5 seconds and still managed to steal heat away from anyone and everyone, because he's been doing that forever.

 

Say they spent a few months rebuilding Jericho, and then HHH put him over at Survivor Series, it would be huge as far as moving him up, and making him draw better as a challenger without actually giving him the title.

 

Jericho is done. They've fucked around with him way too many times, especially with (and because of) HHH, for the fans to look at him as a top star. They've moved him up and down the card, going from the world to IC title, so many times. Why would the fans believe this time is any different, when it has happened every year for the past 5 years?

 

Likewise, if we did have Orton or Edge main eventing multiple PPVs as a heel, it would make them seem more like real top guys if HHH was there wrestling on the undercard, than it would if they "only had the spot because HHH was injured".

 

That's nice in theory, but doesn't work in real life. HHH would still be in the "upper mid card" (a spot which doesn't exist on RAW, but whatever), which means he'd still get a share of the spotlight. When HHH was injured in 2001, I don't think anyone said RVD was in the main event "because HHH was injured"; I don't think anyone said Booker T was in the main event "because HHH was injured". In fact, no one said anything about HHH, which is why him being gone would help RAW so much. HHH doesn't need any more attention, he's been getting it for far too long.

 

Finally, there aren't that many top heels on Raw.

 

There's a reason for that. It allows HHH to keep his spot. "I'd love to step down and let these young guys get a chance on top, but they're unproven, do you really want to take that risk Vince? With me out there, you're guaranteed some heat... especially if you feed over-faces Rosie and Hurricane."

 

Hassan's slowly getting elevated, and Orton will get back from injury eventually, but for now, Edge and HHH are the only truly credible heels on Raw. They're needed both to fill out the card for the brand-exclusive PPVs, and to make sure that the upper level faces don't lose overness by getting left off the card.

 

It is easy to make a new top heel, especially when someone else can start using HHH-exclusive heelish behavior, so it's not like it would take long to fill the void.

 

The reason HHH is so over is the same reason that Angle and Undertaker are so over. People remember them being top guys back when the WWE was at its peak. They just have a natural crediblity from it.

 

That, and HHH has been the main star on TV forever, gets exclusive things like The Cool Wrestlemania Entrance, has Ric Flair suck his cock, has women fawning over him, says he is going to do something and does it, ends up being right all the time, has the top faces praising him, etc. etc. etc. etc. In other words, gets things that no one else on the show would ever get. With him gone, other guys could get it.

 

There's nothing wrong with HHH right now that nine months away from the title and a couple of character tweaks couldn't save.

 

No number of character tweaks and months could erase 6 years of conditioning.

[Some Guy 0]

Of course they can. It's called putting him in the upper midcard for the next nine months.

I assume you were responding to my post with that. Here is what I said:

 

There is no way to keep him away from the strap or the ME for any longer.

 

I stand by that, there is no way that HHH will stay out of the ME/World Title scene for more than 6 months. He lasted two months in 2004, Was in I believe every ME in 2003 and most in 2002 (Save JD and maybe one more). He will not stay out of the picture for very long, so i think the only way to get anybody over is to have him leave for a little while with an injury angle and since the only guys they'll push to the ME spot have to go through Evolution with HHH I think they should reform the group with 2 or 3 new members. I'm trying to look at this as realistically as possible, given how sick and tired I am of HHH monopolizing Raw.

[Black Lushus 0]

no offense, Some Guy, but you're NOT looking at it as realistic as possible if you think HHH of all people is going to agree to being completely off TV for several months...that just ain't gonna happen!

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

That's why he needs to be taken out.

 

*Loads gun*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Hands it to Someguy*

 

Gitater.

[Some Guy 0]

no offense, Some Guy, but you're NOT looking at it as realistic as possible if you think HHH of all people is going to agree to being completely off TV for several months...that just ain't gonna happen!

If you book it so that he has an injury and then gets to come back fresh and win the world title with a new clan of lackeys, who he had the forethought to asemble before he came back, I think he might take the vacation (at least from in ring work).

 

How does he llok bad in this in any way? Unless he's scared that ratings and buyrates will go up in his absence.

 

That's why he needs to be taken out.

 

*Loads gun*

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Hands it to Someguy*

 

Gitater.

 

::Takes gun and heads for Stamford....three hours later gets arrested for attempted murder::

[Black Lushus 0]

No, what I'm saying is, we've all established he has say in the direction of most of the angles...I don't see HHH himself going along with this unless he himself truely feels it's time for a vacation like UT does all the time...

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I told you, you have to make it look like an accident!

 

Ah well...

 

*Has alibi*

 

*disassociates self from SG*

[Guest PlatinumBoy]

I think last year (2004) will be how RAW is going to be for a while. HHH loses the belt at Mania. Loses rematch at Backlash. Champ fights random losers while HHH still is the focal point until Octoberish or whatnot when HHH somehow gets the belt back. HHH loses belt at Mania. Repeat until HHH retires or is injured.

[Guest JMA]

I think last year (2004) will be how RAW is going to be for a while. HHH loses the belt at Mania. Loses rematch at Backlash. Champ fights random losers while HHH still is the focal point until Octoberish or whatnot when HHH somehow gets the belt back. HHH loses belt at Mania. Repeat until HHH retires or is injured.

Sadly, I think you're right.

[Vern Gagne 0]

The Raw writing team, wouldn't have a clue what to do, with about 45 minutes of show if HHH got hurt, or decided to take some time off.

[iggymcfly 0]

All right, how about we cool it with the death threats. He's really not that bad. The problem with HHH reforming Evolution is that it's the exact same thing that just ended. If HHH is stale, it's stupid to just buy three months away from him and then repeat the whole thing. It's a lot better idea to do something to make him interesting again.

 

At the very least, if he's chasing the title without his stable, he can say he's doing something different than he was for his last five World Title wins. Ideally, I'd have Batista trade the title back and forth with Orton after Summerslam before losing it for good to Brock Lesnar at Wrestlemania.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Writer#1: Ok, for segment 1...

 

Writer#2: How about a HHH promo?

 

Writer#3: HHH is gone, he's injured.

 

Writer#2: Oh... right.

 

Writer#1: Ok, so for the first segment, I think...

 

Writer#2: How about HHH comes out and just stands there.

 

Writer#3: Again, he's injured. He won't be on the show. If he is unable to perform, then there is no use in spending time focusing on him since there is no in-ring payoff to the storyline.

 

Writer#2: Gotcha.

 

Writer#1: Ok, now that it has been established that HHH will not be used on the show...

 

Writer#2: But what if he becomes, like, Raw GM.

 

Writer#4: I like it.

 

Writer#3: NO. Eric Bischoff is Raw GM. It was done last year with Angle as Smackdown GM and it failed miserably.

 

Writer#2: But HHH is not Angle. He's much more well developed as a character and he already makes matches on the show.

 

Writer#4: True, True. I like it.

 

Writer#3: Listen, I think we can go a few RAWs without HHH. This will force us to focus on and develop new stars and then when HHH comes back we'll put those new stars over HHH to firmly establish this New Generation of wrestlers. We need to be thinking about the future, and HHH is not it.

 

Writer#4: I don't like it.

 

Writer#1: ... Can we get back to the first seg-

 

Writer#2: Listen here, HHH is the only star on the roster right now. He has picked up the slack after the Rock, Stone Cold, Foley, and Lesnar LEFT US, he has earned his spot and so should every other wrestler on the roster. He's the only guy the fans buy in the main event slot and he needs to be on TV dammit!

 

Writer#4: Yep. Yep. You tell em, honey. Err. I mean Writer#2.

 

Writer#1: The first segment, PLEASE people!

 

Writer#3: HHH has been on TV continuously for the past 6 years, there isn't much more to do with him. We already did the GM angle in 2000 with the McMahon-Helmsley Era, there is no need for him on TV.

 

Writer#2: Look at Ric Flair, he's been around for 30 years and he still hasn't done it all, right Ric?

 

Ric Flair: Damn right champ, I'm better than I ever was, Whoooo! I mean, damn right writer#2. Whooo!

 

Writer#3: How did he get in here?

 

*Writer#1 shrugs*

 

Writer#2: Back to the point, HHH IS Raw, without him, Raw would be dead.

 

Writer#4: YEAH!

 

Ric Flair: WHOO!

 

Writer#3: Then let RAW die, we have to take risks sometimes and playing it safe for the past 5 years has done nothing buy hurt the ratings.

 

Writer#2: What about Katie Vick? That was risky.

 

Writer#3: That was stupid.

 

Writer#2: I was always against it, myself. But HHH is willing to do anything for this business.

 

Writer#4: YEAH! You're the man, baby!

 

Ric Flair: WHOOO! You're the champ!

 

Writer#3: So is every other wrestler out there, they just never have the chance because HHH is too busy doing everything and gets to use all the best angles and have all the prime TV time and main events every PPV.

 

Writer#2: HHH let Chris Benoit main event Summerslam last year!

 

Writer#3: While the HHH/Eugene program overshadowed it, which by-the-way, is another example of how HHH has to suck the heat out of everything that gets hot on RAW because he's so damn insecure about losing his heat.

 

Writer#2: YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH OR I'LL GIVE YOU A PEDIGREE!

 

Writer#1: Hey! You can't do that!

 

Writer#2: I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT! I'M THE BOSS AROUND HERE!

 

*Vince McMahon rolls in*

 

Vince: Uh, what?

 

Writer#3: HHH just said he was the boss around here. He totally undermined your credibility as the head honcho Vince.

 

Vince: I see... well... this truly is a greivous matter...

 

..

 

Writer#3, in the WWE, we don't "tattle" on others. You're fired.

 

Writer#4: DAMN RIGHT DADDY!

 

Ric Flair: WHOOO!

 

Writer#2: Game over for YOU Writer#2!

 

Writer#1: Now, back to the first segment...

 

Vince: Let's just have HHH come out and be, like...

 

Writer#4: New GM of RAW, daddy?

 

Vince: Yeah, sure, why not?

 

Ric Flair: .... and Ric Flair is co-Gm?

 

Vince: naturally.

 

Ric Flair: WHOOOO!

[Promoter 0]

I think RRR hit the nail on the head. The fans are just conditioned to believe HHH will get the title back and it even gets more ingrained when he is with Ric Flair. Ric Flair who is only 6 titles ahead of Triple H in their eyes. You see, HHH believes the fans will mark out for this long term plan and really they won't in the way he thinks it will. The fans won't care because he's not The Rock or Austin or Hogan breaking the record and by that time who in their right mind would think Flair has a chance against HHH in a feud.

 

I say move HHH over to Smackdown and put him in the Cabinet, but then again I think the wwe would be foolish to have HHH on the same show as Cena. Cena is getting a following and if HHH is around the same conditioning on RAW will suddenly appear on smackdown. HHH does need to get off tv and Batista injuring him is a good idea. Give Hassan the top heel spot and see what he does. Judge it from there watching at home Trips. Seriously, the guy should take a break. Even Hogan didn't hog up the damn title like this in the wwf during his hey day. After the fourth year he lost his title. In the sixth year he gave the title to Warrior and he was a BABYFACE.

[Jericholic82 0]

I dont understand why HHH feels compeleld to constantly be in the main event. i know its not about money because he has made enough of that and wont have any financial problems especially since hes married to the heir of the company. It must be ego. But you would think hed get bored with that. I think this has a lot to do with the clique incident in 96 and getting punished for it. Once he got a chance to the top he didnt want to leave. That may have made him into this. But at least he doesnt throw tantrums like his old buddy Shawn.

[Jericholic82 0]

and I agree about the fans being condiditoned to thinking he will always win the title back.

 

but its getting lame.

 

 

but this pretty much a flair retread. Cuz in the 80s the nwa/wcw title revolved around him all the time. And most of those years he was a dominant heel who would lose the title sometimes but always regain it. At least he refreshed with some face turns.

[Guest Hass of Pain]

Go to Smackdown and form a new Evolution with Matt Morgan, Rob Conway and Charlie Haas. This could turn the entire Cabinet face and give John Cena someone to pull him the rest of the way up, do for Matt Morgan what it did for Batista and bring Smackdown back to prominence all while leaving Batista untouched.

[iggymcfly 0]

Flair made Triple H look like a transitional champ.

 

Ric Flair 1983 Trinidad

Harley Race (7) February 10, 1983 Saint Louis, Missouri

Ric Flair (2) November 24, 1983 Greensboro, North Carolina

Harley Race (8) March 21, 1984 Wellington, New Zealand

Ric Flair (3) March 23, 1984 Kallang, Singapore

Kerry Von Erich May 6, 1984 Irving, Texas

Ric Flair (4) May 24, 1984 Yokosuka, Japan

Dusty Rhodes (3) July 25, 1986 Greensboro, North Carolina

Ric Flair (5) August 7, 1986 Saint Louis, Missouri

Ronnie Garvin September 25, 1987 Detroit, Michigan

Ric Flair (6) November 26, 1987 Chicago, Illinois

Ricky Steamboat February 20, 1989 Chicago, Illinois

Ric Flair (7) May 7, 1989 Nashville, Tennessee

Sting July 7, 1990 Baltimore, Maryland

Ric Flair (8) January 11, 1991 East Rutherford, New Jersey

Tatsumi Fujinami March 21, 1991 Tokyo, Japan

Ric Flair (9) May 19, 1991 Saint Petersburg, Florida

 

You know with all that "karma" built up, I'm surprised that Flair didn't get in another plane crash.