OZ on HBO

[Guest Short Irish Guy]

Why does Ryan O'Reily rule so much?

[Guest Connzilla]

Whay didn't anyone ever post in this thread? Oz was and is one of the best shows on tv second only to the Wire. That being said beacher should of never went back to prison when he was released they should of finally let the man catch a break.

[Guest NYankees]

I watch Oz on Hbo on demand every month. It's funny how Miguel was one of the few people to survive the series due to the fact that everybody wanted to kill him.

[bobobrazil1984 0]

there musta been another thread somewhere.

 

Anyways, OZ was great up until the end of the Adebisi's Black Paradise in OZ storyline.

 

Not too long after that I went from loving the show to feeling like the whole thing was just tedious, and i'm not sure why. I never finished the series, giving up sometime either towards the end of that season or beginning of next. I remember Beecher had gotten out, but I never saw his return to jail. Just the idea that he was gonna end up back in Oz after gettnig out felt incredibly stupid. Like a Gilligan's Island type thing.

[Slayer 0]

Why didn't anyone ever post in this thread?

Well, this thread was started in Feb '02... looking at the ep guide, that was at the end of the fifth season, well after the show had gone downhill

[Black Lushus 0]

worst ending to a great series ever...

the ultimate blood feud between Schillinger and Beecher ends in an ACCIDENTAL stabbing, Alvarez turns gay thanks to a drug peddling homo, the prison is infected with Anthrax...come on man! The only character with any decent closure was Ryan O'Rielly, who I found to be overrated.

[Youth N Asia 0]

Adebisi had to die, after the shit he pulled in season 4 the only other possible solution would have been solitary for life.

 

Loved the series, but it got pretty hit and miss near the end.

[Black Lushus 0]

uhhhh why were my comments tagged with spoiler tags? the show has been over for over 2 years now...

[Youth N Asia 0]

Yeah, if you haven't seen it by now, you're not going to.

 

The last couple episodes just tried to kill off too many people, I didn't care for those ones.

[Black Lushus 0]

how about the brownie drug guy that died within 2 minutes of his introduction...gotta be a record.

[Lei Tong 0]

how about the brownie drug guy that died within 2 minutes of his introduction...gotta be a record.

 

Ain't got nothing on Alexander Vogel.

[Gert T 0]

You got the spolier tags because everyone stopped watching the show before the last episode.

 

I LOVED Oz, of course like later the Sopranos & The Wire I never watched it live, all through On Demand.

 

Its funny because my roommate kept telling me that it went downhill after Season 4 and outright ridiculous in Season 6. He was right. I agree about the series finale, and the last season in general. I'm technologically sound so I'll skip some lines, but here's who I can remember were killed in Season 6.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Augustus Hill (Technically S5 death, but we don't find out until S6. And why is it the Italian who did it in front of everybody, still in Em City in S6. What because he tried to kill Redding but got Hill instead he got a hall pass?

 

Beecher's Dad (C.O. was paid off, so I'll overlook the fact that someone is allowed to walk by himself in a max prison)

 

Timmy Kirk (So over the top and outlandish, I enjoyed it)

 

Franklin Winthrop (Who knew he loved the cock that much?)

 

Kareem Said (Once again, drunk or not, how does the gun get into Oz, Idzik's reasoning equally a reach.)

 

Hernandez (I'm cool with that death, nurses have done this in prisons before)

 

Enrique Morales (See above, didn't think he needed to die, as a leader you'd think he'd be more untouchable)

 

Peter Schbetta (His death would have meant more if he wasn't simply brought back after three years to be killed.)

 

Mayor Loewen (Eh, conspiracy stuff.)

 

Jaz Hoyt (I liked his because he knew that if he ratted out what happened to Sideshow Luke he be killed)

 

Brownie Man (Yeah when watching On Demand, I had to hit pause and laugh hysterically that someone was on the show all of seven minutes. Was he Tom Fontana's son?)

 

Warden Leo Glynn (Unnecessary, although it was fun to see Don't Fuck with Querns)

 

Cyril O'Reilly (The problem with his death is I felt they should have done it in Episode 6, which in my opinion the last 20 minutes of the episode might have been some of the best of the series, (preparation for Cyril's execution).)

 

Verne Schillinger (Black Lushus, you're right. I'm baffled as to how Schillinger would ever volunteer to be in a play)

 

Wolfgang Cutler (Great character, horrendous crime to get to Oz. Would somebody really be stupid enough to allow someone to hang them, even if its better than getting "a blowjob by God"?)

 

Chris Keller (I understand character wise it had to happen, for closure between him & Beecher)

 

Omar White (Almost forgot about him. Watching Omar become John Nash, and figure out why he could not kill Idzik was humorous.)

 

Throw in the 1 C.O. and 2 Aryan brothers who were killed by Keller's anthrax, that puts us at least 20 people in 8 episodes, and I probably forgot others.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There were decent parts of S6, but my one gripe was that most of these men were in prison for a long time, that could have been enough closure, "these men will be in prison for a long time". Mix in a death or two.

[Jonathon 0]

I love the first three seasons of this show. LOVE.

 

I have so many great memories, and at times, this show was unintentionally hilarious. Luke Perry as an indestructible preacher? How about the aging pill? Or the Asian refugees that had to hole up at Oswald?

[JasonX 0]

Why does Ryan O'Reily rule so much?

 

He doesn't rule. He's pretty over-rated and really, the primary example of Oz's suckiness in terms of letting characters who should have been killed off stay around long after their usability was up.

 

He should have gotten the death penalty and executed during season three for ordering the murder of the doctor's husband. Or turned into the show's version of Hanibal Lecter, locked up in solitary in a Lecter cage and forever engaging in a back-and-forth battle of witts with the psychiatrist nun character.

 

Same goes for Alvarex; a character who should have died in season three because after having him go batshit crazy and gouging out a guard's eyes, there is nowhere else to go with the character after doing something THAT vile.

 

While many people consider Anabesi's death to be the shark jump, in a way it's also fitting that it was the one time that the writers acknowledged how they had written themselves into a corner and had to kill the character in order to resolve his plotline, since there was nowhere else to go with him.

[Gert T 0]

Jason X, you are spot on with your thoughts on Alvarez and O'Reilly. The fact that Alvarez was put back in Gen Pop after gouging out the C.O.'s and then killed The Missing Link in S4, and still was released back at the start of S6.

 

I liked the Ryan O'Reilly character, but did not like the fact that he could always duck the wrath of people. At one time or another every faction had beef with him. He should not have been able to survive that long. Hell, I love when he got the shit beat out of him in the first episode.

 

Here's a question, what was your favorite flashback crime committed? Like I said earlier, I liked Cutler's. Buried a guy up to his head, and then ran him over with his motorcycle. Just hideous. I also liked Glen Shoupe's killing a guy by chucking a dart in the back of his neck.

[Black Lushus 0]

Donald Groves taking his parents out with a sledgehammer.

[CheesalaIsGood 0]

I forget which one does it but one guy tosses a midget off a roof.

[Black Lushus 0]

haha I remember that scene but can't remember who it was either!

 

EDIT: it was Chico Guerrera, constant right hand man of the Latino leaders, dude with the lazy eye.

[Youth N Asia 0]

Donald Groves taking his parents out with a sledgehammer.

 

The goes back to watching cartoons, awesome.

 

THIS HAS ALWAYS PISSED ME OFF!!

 

Keller, he's like the sex god of Oz, ok, whatever. I can take that he turned Beecher, lots of build and story to it, sure. BUT THIS ANNOYS ME.

 

Ronnie Barlong (sp?) his old friend. Who Beecher blows to make Chris jelous. Ok, now as a straight man I can understand getting a blowjob in prison, GETTING. But sure enough Keller gets him alone and he drops to his knees ready to go down on him...so he's gay now?

 

Franklin Winthrop...same damn thing. He's a prison bitch, but not gay...but when Keller gets him alone he can't wait to drop down and swallow nut. Keller's presence alone is enough to turn men gay?

 

And each time ends with a snapped neck...rightfully so

[Black Lushus 0]

I always assumed Barlog and Keller were fuck buddies on the outside world and would take turns.

 

I never understood the Winthrop thing, unless he started liking the cock thanks to Schillinger...which brings up a funny scene: Winthrop giving Schillinger "welcome back head", spitting out a huge wad (nasty!) and then getting up in Schillinger's face only to have Schillinger tell him to wipe his fucking mouth off.

[Youth N Asia 0]

That was fucking vulgar, even for Oz. Watching him pretend to blow him is one thing, I expect that from Oz...but the spit...no, no that's not right

[Giuseppe Zangara 0]

I dunno, I never got the appeal of this show. If I wanted to see dudes stab and rape each other, there plenty of places for that on the internet.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

I dunno, I never got the appeal of this show. If I wanted to see dudes stab and rape each other, there plenty of places for that on the internet.

 

Maybe because there was more to the show then just that you douche.

 

Anyway, the way Kareem Said was killed was bullshit.

[Gert T 0]

No need to echo the statements about the Schillinger-Winthrop scene, yeah unnecessary.

 

Donald Groves was a GREAT character because everyone knew how crazy he was.

 

I wasn't opposed to Said dying because it continued the storyline of Arif being an inept leader, but for someone who was a backbone of the show, it was an incredibly weak way to kill him off.

[Jonathon 0]

How could anyone forget the riot?

[Guest Connzilla]

I always thought Schillinger would be the one that killed Said.

[Youth N Asia 0]

I always wanted Sister Pete to get raped...and then that person get sent to Oz

[Black Lushus 0]

Said and Schillinger never really had beef outside of black/white, if I recall...the only thing I can think of is when Said took his parole case but then backed out at the last minute.

[Gert T 0]

I always wanted Sister Pete to get raped...and then that person get sent to Oz

 

I am SHOCKED that the producers of Oz did not send the truck driver who fell asleep on the road that caused the bus to swerve off of the road at the start of S5 to Oz. In fact with all the shit they did in Seasons 5 & 6, I don't know how they didn't do it.

[Guest Connzilla]

I have always been mad that they killed off Jefferson Keane so early in the series. Just think what they could of done with him. I always wondered that if he stayed alive and not sentenced to death row if he would of converted to his old ways during the roit?