We got Pope smoke...

[SuperJerk 0]

I think you've, yet again, mistaken me for somebody who gives two damns what you think.

And yet there you sit, DAY AFTER DAY, trying to convince me that you're right.

 

Its as if you need my approval or something.

Nah. You can keep thinking that, though.

I will keep thinking that because its true.

 

 

If you have such a low opinion of me, then what does that say about you that you would waste so much time debating me?

 

I may hate you, but I acknowledge you're a smart guy. You just use your intellect to go out of your way to come to the wrong conclusion about things. Its actually rather entertaining to watch. I keep thinking I have something undisputable that'll shut you up (such as welfare statistics, the actual meaning of the Ten Commandments, stats about the Reagan tax hike, proof that Kerry's shipmates supported his candidacy), but then you go and completely get the wrong conclusion. You're quite imaginative, and I'll admit that I enjoy trying to guess what bizarre irrationailty you'll use to justify another of your half-baked, right-wing opinions.

[Guest MikeSC]

I think you've, yet again, mistaken me for somebody who gives two damns what you think.

And yet there you sit, DAY AFTER DAY, trying to convince me that you're right.

 

Its as if you need my approval or something.

Nah. You can keep thinking that, though.

I will keep thinking that because its true.

 

 

If you have such a low opinion of me, then what does that say about you that you would waste so much time debating me?

 

Well, you can believe reality and that is that I am bored enough to deal with you.

I may hate you, but I acknowledge you're a smart guy.  You just use your intellect to go out of your way to come to the wrong conclusion about things.  Its actually rather entertaining to watch.  I keep thinking I have something undisputable that'll shut you up (such as welfare statistics, the actual meaning of the Ten Commandments, stats about the Reagan tax hike, proof that Kerry's shipmates supported his candidacy), but then you go and completely get the wrong conclusion.  You're quite imaginative, and I'll admit that I enjoy trying to guess what bizarre irrationailty you'll use to justify another of your half-baked, right-wing opinions.

And I find it hilarious that you think your paper-thin rationalizations amount to anything.

-=Mike

[SuperJerk 0]

^Nice dodge.^

 

Mike dismisses something off hand, then runs away without actually disproving it, Part 938270392487509834750987.

[Guest MikeSC]

^Nice dodge.^

 

Mike dismisses something off hand, then runs away without actually disproving it, Part 938270392487509834750987.

I respond to everybody. It's not like you're special.

 

I mean, you're "special", but you're not special.

 

I think we have seen moronic RJ rationalization #: oh-like-I-fucking-keep-track-of-the-fucking-massive-number.

-=Mike

[SuperJerk 0]

I think we have seen moronic RJ rationalization #: oh-like-I-fucking-keep-track-of-the-fucking-massive-number.

      -=Mike

**cough**rip-off**cough**

 

 

Please stop stealing my jokes.

[cbacon 0]

I'll get to Mike's ludicrous 'rebuttal' to my points on Islam in the morning, but right now it's fun watching RJ point out what (sadly) the minority on this board fail to see when it comes to the average MikeSC post.

 

*kicks back with a bag of pop corn*

[Guest MikeSC]

I think we have seen moronic RJ rationalization #: oh-like-I-fucking-keep-track-of-the-fucking-massive-number.

      -=Mike

**cough**rip-off**cough**

 

 

Please stop stealing my jokes.

I was liberating them from somebody who was abusing them horrificly.

I'll get to Mike's ludicrous 'rebuttal' to my points on Islam in the morning, but right now it's fun watching RJ point out what (sadly) the minority on this board fail to see when it comes to the average MikeSC post.

What, that, unlike your tripe, I actually make a point?

 

And with less bitching and whining than RJ?

-=Mike

[SuperJerk 0]

I may hate you, but I acknowledge you're a smart guy. You just use your intellect to go out of your way to come to the wrong conclusion about things. Its actually rather entertaining to watch. I keep thinking I have something undisputable that'll shut you up (such as welfare statistics, the actual meaning of the Ten Commandments, stats about the Reagan tax hike, proof that Kerry's shipmates supported his candidacy), but then you go and completely get the wrong conclusion. You're quite imaginative, and I'll admit that I enjoy trying to guess what bizarre irrationailty you'll use to justify another of your half-baked, right-wing opinions.

I had to read this again.

 

Its so...perfect.

[Guest MikeSC]

So, writing and logical comparisons are lost on you?

 

Wow, nice list you have there.

-=Mike

...Hell, C-Bacon is on your side. That should tell you how fucked up you are...

[cbacon 0]

I may hate you, but I acknowledge you're a smart guy.  You just use your intellect to go out of your way to come to the wrong conclusion about things.  Its actually rather entertaining to watch.  I keep thinking I have something undisputable that'll shut you up (such as welfare statistics, the actual meaning of the Ten Commandments, stats about the Reagan tax hike, proof that Kerry's shipmates supported his candidacy), but then you go and completely get the wrong conclusion.  You're quite imaginative, and I'll admit that I enjoy trying to guess what bizarre irrationailty you'll use to justify another of your half-baked, right-wing opinions.

I had to read this again.

 

Its so...perfect.

Sounds like a General Surgeon's Warning of sorts that should come at the beginning of every MikeSC post.

[Guest Brian]

Can someone point me to a passage in the Qu'ran where it says to kill the infidels?

 

It's a win-win situation for me, whether it's there or not, at least in terms of an argument. I'd like to know, at this point I don't think it is but everyone else tells me it is. So the burden of proof is on those who make that claim.

 

Thanks in advance.

NOSOLD~!

 

Isn't Jesus like the most quoted prophet in the Quran?

[Guest MikeSC]

No, responded to.

 

In depth.

 

http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?...0entry1863384

 

Page 6.

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

No, responded to.

 

In depth.

 

http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?...0entry1863384

 

Page 6.

-=Mike

[SuperJerk 0]

So, writing and logical comparisons are lost on you?

Translation: No, I really can't explain what I meant either.

[Guest MikeSC]

So, writing and logical comparisons are lost on you?

Translation: No, I really can't explain what I meant either.

Yes, that is exactly what I was implying about you.

 

Comprehension isn't lost on you.

 

Kudos.

-=Mike

[SuperJerk 0]

So, writing and logical comparisons are lost on you?

Translation: No, I really can't explain what I meant either.

Yes, that is exactly what I was implying about you.

That ranks right up there with "I know you are but what am I?"

[Guest MikeSC]

Which is likely to be your "insult of the day" sometime next week.

-=Mike

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

I keep thinking I have something undisputable that'll shut you up...

Here's some free advice -- don't ever expect to get the last word on Mike.

 

Oh, and having C-Bacon on your side is a bad thing. Just to let you know...

[Ted the Poster 0]

Yeah, it's like getting the short Asian kid assigned to your basketball team in gym class. Sure, he can dribble really fast...

[LessonInMachismo 0]

Yeah, it's like getting the short Asian kid assigned to your basketball team in gym class. Sure, he can dribble really fast...

And do everyone's math homework...

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

And make you look like a big hunk o' man to the bitches in class...

[The Czech Republic 0]

And eat your dog...

[cbacon 0]

Here we go:

 

You don't see Christian priests passing death sentences against people who annoy them.

 

So priests like Falwell and Robertson who claim the US is in a holy war against Islam aren't doing this? How do you figure advocating the killing of people based on their religion doesn't count as that?

 

You are aware that there is no such thing as a Christian sect that follows the Old Testament, right?

 

Without the New Testament, there isn't, you know, CHRISTIANITY.

 

I don't know if you've ever been in a Christian church, but I've been in plenty of Christian churches of several different sects, and every single one of them follows the Old Testament.

 

've missed the Christians who are praised for slaughtering the infidels.

 

You've never heard a Christian praise another Christian for carrying out a bombing of an abortion clinic? If not, you should probably open up a newspaper or turn on the TV or something.

 

No, the ones you have made up in your mind are irrelevant.

 

They preach about the peacefulness of Islam --- yet there is never a shortage of homicide bombers. Odd.

 

It's only been, oh, 26 YEARS. I'm sure it is just a phase of the Cult of Death's where they have decided to intentionally target innocents.

 

Grow up. I know some extremely peaceful Muslims, including several professors at my university. They teach Chemistry, rather than bombing support pillars as you seem to suggest their faith would require them to do. Do you know any Muslims? Can you explain how the ones you may know fit the description of what you suggest? Can you explain how this may or may not be universal to all Muslims, and why or why not? If you're going to make statements like this, let's see a serious effort to support them.

 

've missed the Christians who are praised for slaughtering the infidels.

 

Ditto Jews.

 

Ditto Hindus.

 

Hello, outside of cult of Deathists, I can't name one.

 

 

Onward Christian Soldiers! Why does this expression exist? Almost all religions claim peace. The violence enters when the political situation intrudes into the religious doctrine.

 

You are aware that there is no such thing as a Christian sect that follows the Old Testament, right?

 

Without the New Testament, there isn't, you know, CHRISTIANITY.

 

Come on now. It's a reference to Christians who follow Old Testament rules, not ones who disregard the New Testament.

 

Ask people of other faiths who have the curse to live in a Muslim state how good life is for them.

 

So persecution of minorities justifies retaliatory persecution of minorities? You're trying to claim the superiority of Christian and Judaic faiths and supporting discriminatory attitudes towards Muslims, and the evidence you're using is the discrimination shown in Muslim states. If it boils down to "let's discriminate because they discriminate", then you're operating under a logical fallacy that undermines your claims. And if you would study up your history of colonialism, even if you're insisting on using that logical fallacy, Judeo-Christian societies were the instigators in this case. It's a weak analogy, and ultimately false, I'd suggest dropping it.

 

 

See, you're what we call a "limp noodle" who will never criticize anybody for anything truly evil. You prefer to punish a jaywalker and let a mass murderer go free.

 

When you never challenge them --- and I have no reason to believe you do --- it's kinda hard for them to ever get upset.

 

Ask them to defend how Sharia can treat women like that and still pretend that Islam is less than misogynistic and see how well it goes.

 

This passage is so full of blatant ignorance I'm not even sure where to begin, but here goes nothing:

 

1. I don't favour violence as a resort against them aside from exceptional cases, but if you truly believe that violence is the only acceptable solution to what you view as problems we've found your problem right there.

 

2. I never challenged them? You say that on what grounds? On no grounds. You're making baseless assumptions because if the people you attack don't fit into the ridiculous stereotypes you have of them your statements all fall flat on their face.

 

So having a conversation with a Muslim person about issues of faith and politics automatically means complete and total acquiesence to their ideas? And it automatically means conformity to the stereotype of the weak-willed liberal who is so wan and permissive as to refuse to punish actively violent members of society? You can't honestly tell me that you don't know in your mind and heart that people aren't that easily stereotyped, and that there is tremendous complexity to the human character. If not I recommend you email some members of the psychology department of the nearest university to you to ask some questions on the topic.

 

As for the rest of that comment, disregarding the ridiculous notion that inter-faith or cross-cultural discourse should optimally operate from a position of challenge, I'd like to comment on your mention of the misogyny of the Sharia law.

 

I recently attended a lecture in Women's Studies, and one of the lectures consisted of speakers from different faiths examining the role of women in each faith. There were four speakers, a Catholic, a Buddhist, a Protestant, and a Muslim. The issue of Sharia law was brought up, to which the speaker conceded that many interpretations of Sharia law result in the subjugation of women. What was evident from the discussion from all speakers, however, was that all four faiths included have variations of interpretation in doctrine, and in the more orthodox interpretationsof all four, women occupy a subordinate role. Only in Buddhism was this subordination not of a particularly misogynistic kind. It's the result of faiths that originate in patriarchal societies. If one looks at the faiths amongst Native American groups who were matriarchal, they priviledge female members of society. In some cases men are considered almost property, as women are in patriarchal religious forms.

 

So yes, it's misogynistic, but that's not an exclusive trait, nor is it universal to the faith. Do you challenge the beliefs and misogynistic traits of all Christians and Jews you discuss issues with?

 

Christianity and Judaism bring good to the world.

 

There is no benefit to Islam, whatsoever.

 

So your definition of cult is based on a perceived benefit? Perhaps after looking up the term "discussion" in your nearest dictionary you should look up "cult". "Religion" might be a good one to look up to. Knowing what the words you use mean tends to help your arguments.

 

Anyway, two last things to say, this will probably be my last post in this topic:

 

1. I'm thinking at this point odds are pretty good that you don't actually believe what you're saying and you're just trying to start arguments because you have nothing better to do with your time.

 

2. If you would like to continue, try this - respond to things that have actually been said, and things that you know to be true. Stop constructing your arguments around baseless assumptions and bad stereotypes.

 

Also, since you were throwing around excerpts from the Koran, I thought i'd throw one in from the Bible:

 

I just love crazy shit like this: (Exodus 31-15)

 

Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

 

That's why I didn't get out of bed on Sunday, I was afraid God would bust a cap in my ass.

[Slayer 0]

And bind womens' feet...

[Guest MikeSC]

Here we go:

 

You don't see Christian priests passing death sentences against people who annoy them.

So priests like Falwell and Robertson who claim the US is in a holy war against Islam aren't doing this? How do you figure advocating the killing of people based on their religion doesn't count as that?

Care to reveal where they instructed a soul to kill anybody who said something negative about Christianity? Can you point to them saying "Kill all Muslims"?

 

See, I posted actual quotes FROM the Koran, which show that the insanity of the sub-human imams and the like aren't really out-of-line with Muslim "theology"

You are aware that there is no such thing as a Christian sect that follows the Old Testament, right?

 

Without the New Testament, there isn't, you know, CHRISTIANITY.

I don't know if you've ever been in a Christian church, but I've been in plenty of Christian churches of several different sects, and every single one of them follows the Old Testament

1) You clearly have never set foot in a Christian Church

2) Christianity clearly states that the New Testament is the truth.

They don't exclusively follow the Old Testament, but then, no one claimed that was the case.

Ahem --- YOU did.

I've missed the Christians who are praised for slaughtering the infidels.

You've never heard a Christian praise another Christian for carrying out a bombing of an abortion clinic? If not, you should probably open up a newspaper or turn on the TV or something.

No, I've NEVER heard of a Christian saying it's a good thing. Not once.

 

I suppose some proof of this being said will be forthcoming.

No, the ones you have made up in your mind are irrelevant.

 

They preach about the peacefulness of Islam --- yet there is never a shortage of homicide bombers. Odd.

 

It's only been, oh, 26 YEARS. I'm sure it is just a phase of the Cult of Death's where they have decided to intentionally target innocents.

Grow up. I know some extremely peaceful Muslims, including several professors at my university

Everybody is "peaceful" provided you never question them and cowtow to every one of their delusional misconceptions about their reality.

They teach Chemistry, rather than bombing support pillars as you seem to suggest their faith would require them to do. Do you know any Muslims?

Yes, many.

 

And not one of them will openly and uncategorically denounce terrorism. Not one.

Can you explain how the ones you may know fit the description of what you suggest? Can you explain how this may or may not be universal to all Muslims, and why or why not? If you're going to make statements like this, let's see a serious effort to support them.

Gee, I only posted, you know, QUOTES from the KORAN.

Ask people of other faiths who have the curse to live in a Muslim state how good life is for them.

So persecution of minorities justifies retaliatory persecution of minorities?

Are you out of your fucking mind?

 

Are you attempting to argue that Muslims in Christian or Jewish countries suffer even the tiniest fraction of the hell Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc suffer in Muslim countries?

You're trying to claim the superiority of Christian and Judaic faiths and supporting discriminatory attitudes towards Muslims, and the evidence you're using is the discrimination shown in Muslim states.

And quotes from the Koran.

And actions of Muslims.

And praise of the actions by Muslim leaders.

 

You have...what?

If it boils down to "let's discriminate because they discriminate", then you're operating under a logical fallacy that undermines your claims. And if you would study up your history of colonialism, even if you're insisting on using that logical fallacy, Judeo-Christian societies were the instigators in this case. It's a weak analogy, and ultimately false, I'd suggest dropping it.

Whoa. I take it you missed that whole Islam spreading over the Middle East and Europe stage in history, eh?

 

Not only are you erroneous, you're a fucking idiot to boot.

've missed the Christians who are praised for slaughtering the infidels.

 

Ditto Jews.

 

Ditto Hindus.

 

Hello, outside of cult of Deathists, I can't name one.

Onward Christian Soldiers! Why does this expression exist?

Hmm, can you reveal the people who slaughtered innocents for believing differently than they did that any faith --- outside of the Cult of Death, of course --- that are praised as martyrs?

 

Come on, I'm sure you can.

Almost all religions claim peace. The violence enters when the political situation intrudes into the religious doctrine.

Except no Christian or Jewish state has the massive human rights violations that Muslim states do.

 

The only ones, historically, that have are the atheistic Communist regimes that you ALSO don't think were that bad.

See, you're what we call a "limp noodle" who will never criticize anybody for anything truly evil. You prefer to punish a jaywalker and let a mass murderer go free.

 

When you never challenge them --- and I have no reason to believe you do --- it's kinda hard for them to ever get upset.

 

Ask them to defend how Sharia can treat women like that and still pretend that Islam is less than misogynistic and see how well it goes.

This passage is so full of blatant ignorance I'm not even sure where to begin, but here goes nothing:

 

1. I don't favour violence as a resort against them aside from exceptional cases, but if you truly believe that violence is the only acceptable solution to what you view as problems we've found your problem right there.

Seeing as how diplomacy and compromise have failed miserably thus far, a change in tactics is necessary.

2. I never challenged them? You say that on what grounds? On no grounds. You're making baseless assumptions because if the people you attack don't fit into the ridiculous stereotypes you have of them your statements all fall flat on their face.

Call it an incredibly well-educated guess based on the mindless drivel you post here.

So having a conversation with a Muslim person about issues of faith and politics automatically means complete and total acquiesence to their ideas?

With you, yes.

 

You don't mind criticizing Christians because you know Christians won't kill you for "blasphemy".

 

You lack that same level of comfort with the Cult of Death.

I recently attended a lecture in Women's Studies, and one of the lectures consisted of speakers from different faiths examining the role of women in each faith. There were four speakers, a Catholic, a Buddhist, a Protestant, and a Muslim. The issue of Sharia law was brought up, to which the speaker conceded that many interpretations of Sharia law result in the subjugation of women. What was evident from the discussion from all speakers, however, was that all four faiths included have variations of interpretation in doctrine, and in the more orthodox interpretationsof all four, women occupy a subordinate role. Only in Buddhism was this subordination not of a particularly misogynistic kind. It's the result of faiths that originate in patriarchal societies. If one looks at the faiths amongst Native American groups who were matriarchal, they priviledge female members of society. In some cases men are considered almost property, as women are in patriarchal religious forms.

 

 

So yes, it's misogynistic, but that's not an exclusive trait, nor is it universal to the faith. Do you challenge the beliefs and misogynistic traits of all Christians and Jews you discuss issues with?

Are you even attempting to compare Sharia law with anything Christians or Jews have done?

 

Gee, can't figure out why I'd think you were a weak-kneed apologist for murderers --- but quite the tough guy when it came to people who wouldn't kill you at the drop of a hat for "blasphemy".

I just love crazy shit like this: (Exodus 31-15)

 

Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

 

That's why I didn't get out of bed on Sunday, I was afraid God would bust a cap in my ass.

Which is why the NEW TESTAMENT is the truth.

 

You might want to learn what books of the Bible are in which Testament.

 

At least look like you have the slimmest clue what the fuck you're talking about.

-=Mike

[Styles 0]

Can someone point me to a passage in the Qu'ran where it says to kill the infidels?

 

It's a win-win situation for me, whether it's there or not, at least in terms of an argument. I'd like to know, at this point I don't think it is but everyone else tells me it is. So the burden of proof is on those who make that claim.

 

Thanks in advance.

NOSOLD~!

 

Isn't Jesus like the most quoted prophet in the Quran?

Actually my link from earlier was no sold. This just shows how useless Islam is in terms of sheer historical inancuracy and contadiction. Did you know Jesus was a Muslim? And that Allah put an imposter on the cross to save him? And that Abraham really almost sacrificed Ishmael, not his son Isaac? It's all here and more straight from the Koran. Very interesting stuff for those of you like me who haven't the patience to read through the whole Koran (I tried once, it's thouroughly dull and long).

 

(What is it with me and websites with "myths and facts" anyway, I just seem to gravitate towards them in google searches or something...)

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-start.htm

[Slayer 0]

How about that Muslim Pope, anyway?

[The Czech Republic 0]

Can someone point me to a passage in the Qu'ran where it says to kill the infidels?

 

It's a win-win situation for me, whether it's there or not, at least in terms of an argument.

 

Never would've guessed who wrote that one

[Gary Floyd 0]

Well, I'm not going to debate here, since I don't feel like arguing with anyone tonight. I will say however, that this whole thread is totally

Anyways, as a guy who was raised Catholic, I have to say that I really don't like the new Pope very much. I've heartd several of his comments (i.e. dated stuff like "Rock music is a tool of Satan!" to "Gay marriage is evil") and I think that this is not the guy the church needs if they want to take a step forward. It almost feels like they are trying to alienate people.

[The Czech Republic 0]

He's a stopgap pope anyway. Doesn't matter. He can proclaim himself King Shit Of Fuck Mountain if he wants; he won't last long.