Anyone else miss the "good old days" of 2000?

[Jericholic82 0]

Didn't Steph make lil comments about Kurt's cuteness as early as late 1999 during Angle's undefeated streak? IIRC, HHH would book Angle against the odds just to mess w/ Steph a little bit (Angle vs. Mark Henry, Angle vs. Headbangers, ect). It wasn't meant to be serious at the time but it obviously escalated after the brunt of the Rock/HHH feud was done.

Yes thats what made the angle so good (no pun intended). I miss any old days where the WWF was still the WWF, WCW was still around, as was ecw. and fun time swere had by all.

 

IMO the ppv of the year was either the Rumble (my personal fav) or Judgment Day (only 6 matches,good opener with too cool/kish vs eandc/angle, good 3 way with eddy/saturn/malenko, very good submission match with benoit/jericho, harmless shane/big show short match. only real bad part was the table match, plus the awesome iron man match)

 

Backlash does seems like the complete show though with the real wm ending on it and all.

[Jericholic82 0]

KOR 2000 also had Taker chokeslamming shane off the top rope thru the announce table

[Jericholic82 0]

add to the fact that I graduated from high school in 2000, I miss being a teen.

[Jericholic82 0]

and I apologize for so many posts in a row but Im lazy today so forgive me.

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[megaadvice 0]

I loved 2000 so much, especially the first 6/7 months.

 

For me the PPV of the year was Fully loaded, a very hot 6 man tag to start things off, an underated euro title match with Eddie, Malenko and Saturn, a shockingly good cage match between Val and Rakishi, and 2 ****+ insainly hot main events.

 

Only bad thing about the show, Anglevs Taker and the booking, Angle should have gone over against Taker and Jericho should have gone over against Trips.

 

First half of 2000 and the first 4 months of 2001 is the closest you can get to perfection, great storylines AND great wrestling throughout the card (tag, undercard ect)

 

1998-1999 had great stroylines but some extreamly poor wrestling, esp second half of 99, and btween May-Dec 2001 some great wrestling and poor storylines

[Art Sandusky 0]

Watching the fans in the arenas then and now and how they react to things is the saddest part. Even Crash Holly got a major pop for ending that evening gown match at KOTR. People were just plain more entertained.

[Nighthawk 0]

Funny thing, I just noticed that I have barely any commercial wrestling releases but I have all the 2000 ppvs except Survivor Series (which I was at) and the December one, whatever that was called. I should pick them up.

[Guest Ransome]

Meltzer once had an article up about how the greatness of WWF 2000 lead directly to the crappiness of every year that followed. I'm paraphrasing of course, but it was something about how they had the best workers in their world title, tag title and midcard programs, so much so that there could never be any progress. For example, how do you find comparable wrestlers to Benoit, Guerrero and Jericho to fill the IC title ranks once they inevitably ascend, and comparable tag teams to replace E&C, the Hardys and the Dudleys ? It's almost as if WWE is damned for putting on a bad product and doomed for putting on a good product.

 

In that sense, while 2000 was a great year for the WWF, we have and will continue to be paying the consequences for being spoilt.

[Guest MikeSC]

True. It did cause a problem. But they didn't do a lot to promote new talent after Kreski left.

 

Rather than having a "two-man power trip" with Austin and Hunter --- why not find somebody lower on the totem pole to use as Austin or Hunter's lackey?

-=Mike

[Vern Gagne 0]

I think HHH gets too much credit for the success of 2000. He was the main focus, and it was his best year both in ring and outside the ring. However, look who he worked with. Mick Foley, The Rock, Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle. All four outstanding inside the ring, and on the mic. All imo...better at both aspects than HHH.

[alfdogg 0]

^ THANK YOU.

[Guest MikeSC]

I think HHH gets too much credit for the success of 2000. He was the main focus, and it was his best year both in ring and outside the ring. However, look who he worked with. Mick Foley, The Rock, Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle. All four outstanding inside the ring, and on the mic. All imo...better at both aspects than HHH.

HHH made Rikishi a star, let's give him credit. He also gave DX heat when nothing else could.

-=Mike

[Slayer 0]

Too Cool made Rikishi a star

[Vern Gagne 0]

Rikishi was a star for about 15 minutes.

[Guest MikeSC]

Rikishi was a star for about 15 minutes.

Rikishi was pretty darned over until August or September.

-=Mike

[Vern Gagne 0]

15 minutes=about 2 months.

 

When they tried to make Rikishi a legit threat. It flopped.

[Guest MikeSC]

15 minutes=about 2 months.

 

When they tried to make Rikishi a legit threat. It flopped.

Actually, they had him as a legit threat in February.

 

When they tried to make him a HEEL, then it bombed.

-=Mike

...Of course, having Austin beat the snot out of him in his first major match as a heel did him no favors...

[Guest Ray]

"HHH was the greatest fucking wrestler alive"

 

"Kurt Angle was gonna become the greatest fucking wrestler alive"

 

 

You're funny.

[Vern Gagne 0]

Austin didn't help. However, I'm a beliver that the truely talented at least stay around the top of the card.

[Guest MikeSC]

Austin didn't help. However, I'm a beliver that the truely talented at least stay around the top of the card.

I'm not saying Rikishi was great --- but Hunter did make him a star, rather than just "anonymous tubby dude #1" in February.

-=Mike

[Slayer 0]

And I pointed out that teaming with Too Cool made Rikishi a star well before the "I did it fo' da people" angle

[Vern Gagne 0]

I don't disagree....just never considered Rikishi a star, just a popular wrestler. A star's gotta have longer staying power than Rikishi did.

[Guest MikeSC]

And I pointed out that teaming with Too Cool made Rikishi a star well before the "I did it fo' da people" angle

I disagree. Hunter making Rikishi seem like a potential threat (hell, they were rumoring Rikishi v HHH at NWO 2K for a while) helped him and made Too Cool more over than they had any right to be.

-=Mike

...Man I hated that team...

[Slayer 0]

I don't disagree....just never considered Rikishi a star, just a popular wrestler. A star's gotta have longer staying power than Rikishi did.

When you put it that way, then I agree

 

And I pointed out that teaming with Too Cool made Rikishi a star well before the "I did it fo' da people" angle

I disagree. Hunter making Rikishi seem like a potential threat (hell, they were rumoring Rikishi v HHH at NWO 2K for a while) helped him and made Too Cool more over than they had any right to be.

Rikishi was getting big pops when he was with the dancing fools while the "I did it fo' da Rock" angle deflated nearly all his heat

 

...Man I hated that team...

I did too

[IWD 0]

Chris Kreski, former WWF writer. I guess he was Russo's replacement, and he was head writer for most of the WWF's awesome 2000. He left around November 2000 and they replaced him with Steph, who of course was more than qualified for the position. She grew up in the business!!

Random fact: he also co/ghost-wrote William Shatner's 3 autobiographies.

 

Cheers.

[PLAGIARISM! 0]

Cool. I must say tho, WM2000 was underwhelming as well as the misfire ppvs that have been cited already. Not totally bad, and I quite enjoyed the hardcore invitational, but it didn't really move anything on.

[TheFranchise 0]

Don't forget Patterson-Brisco went towards making KOTR 2000 so shitty.  NEVER forget.

How could anyone forget the sight of two pervy old men feeling each other up and attacking each other with sleazy props. *shudder*

Well, i.. did.

[Vern Gagne 0]

Cool. I must say tho, WM2000 was underwhelming as well as the misfire ppvs that have been cited already. Not totally bad, and I quite enjoyed the hardcore invitational, but it didn't really move anything on.

WM was a very disapointing ppv, considering how outstanding everything else was at the time.

[Jericholic82 0]

actually it was rikishi who made too cool popular, it was the rikishi dancing that people loved, well that and the stinkface.

 

wrestlecrap studied this once. They concluded that since rikishi already had a dancing gimmick before (the dreadful "Makin a difference Fatu" of 1995-96), that the sole reason he became popular in 2000, had to be the big ass.

 

turning one of your most poular faces heel on a whim will retyy much kill all his heat. (IMO the WWF wanted to have a surprise hit and run driver instead of the obvious DX members or HHH, but the fans took a crap all over rikishi as the guy, so they had to insert Trips as th emastermind to save the angle)