Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted April 22, 2005 This was posted yesterday on Slashdot, which typically means that it shouldn't be of interest or concern to anyone, but I thought in this event it was an exception. Do you want a seven-day weather forecast for your ZIP code? Or hour-by-hour predictions of the temperature, wind speed, humidity and chance of rain? Or weather data beamed to your cellphone? That information is available for free from the National Weather Service. But under a bill pending in the U.S. Senate, it might all disappear. The bill, introduced last week by Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., would prohibit federal meteorologists from competing with companies such as AccuWeather and The Weather Channel, which offer their own forecasts through paid services and free ad-supported Web sites. Supporters say the bill wouldn't hamper the weather service or the National Hurricane Center from alerting the public to hazards — in fact, it exempts forecasts meant to protect "life and property." But critics say the bill's wording is so vague they can't tell exactly what it would ban. "I believe I've paid for that data once. ... I don't want to have to pay for it again," said Scott Bradner, a technical consultant at Harvard University. He says that as he reads the bill, a vast amount of federal weather data would be forced offline. "The National Weather Service Web site would have to go away," Bradner said. "What would be permitted under this bill is not clear — it doesn't say. Even including hurricanes." Nelson questions intention The decision of what information to remove would be up to Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez — possibly followed, in the event of legal challenges, by a federal judge. A spokesman for Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., said the bill threatens to push the weather service back to a "pre-Internet era" — a questionable move in light of the four hurricanes that struck the state last year. Nelson serves on the Senate Commerce Committee, which has been assigned to consider the bill. "The weather service proved so instrumental and popular and helpful in the wake of the hurricanes. How can you make an argument that we should pull it off the Net now?" said Nelson's spokesman, Dan McLaughlin. "What are you going to do, charge hurricane victims to go online, or give them a pop-up ad?" But Barry Myers, AccuWeather's executive vice president, said the bill would improve public safety by making the weather service devote its efforts to hurricanes, tsunamis and other dangers, rather than duplicating products already available from the private sector. "The National Weather Service has not focused on what its core mission should be, which is protecting other people's lives and property," said Myers, whose company is based in State College, Pa. Instead, he said, "It spends hundreds of millions of dollars a year, every day, producing forecasts of 'warm and sunny.'" Santorum made similar arguments April 14 when introducing his bill. He also said expanded federal services threaten the livelihoods of private weather companies. "It is not an easy prospect for a business to attract advertisers, subscribers or investors when the government is providing similar products and services for free," Santorum said. AccuWeather has been an especially vocal critic of the weather service and its parent agency, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. The company has accused the federal agencies of withholding data on hurricanes and other hazards, and failing to ensure that employees don't feed upcoming forecasts to favored investors in farming and energy markets. (More...) I've said it before, I'll say it again... What a dumbass! Weather forecast is a service which is highly valuable to the general public at large and so it only makes sense that the public funds a service for their own use until they deem it unnecessary. I don't think, until AccuWeather and their BUTT-buddy Santorum came along, that anyone deemed public domain weather data to be wasteful or unnecessary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted April 22, 2005 Yeah, we were better off before we knew what the weather was going to be. Will the Weather Channel sue to prevent people from looking outside since it might harm TWC business? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted April 22, 2005 Now this is a subject I know something about because I once worked as a copyedior for AccuWeather. AccuWeather's home base is located in State College, Pa., which makes this story LOL-quality. In addition, the weathermen and women at AccuWeather get most of their forecast information FROM the Weather Channel and National Weather Service. I swear to Christ this is one of the biggest scams in the world... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ted the Poster 0 Report post Posted April 22, 2005 Meterology is a profession that is about as useful as a tarot card reader. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted April 22, 2005 Private Meteorologist #1: "Hey, looks like a hurricane's gonna hit southern Florida. Should we warn the public?" Private Meteorologist #2: "Nah, it would cut into our profit margin." Private Meteorologist #1: "Yeah, you're right. I'm sure those people will be fine..." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted April 22, 2005 Private Meteorologist #1: "Hey, looks like a hurricane's gonna hit southern Florida. Should we warn the public?" Private Meteorologist #2: "Nah, it would cut into our profit margin." Private Meteorologist #1: "Yeah, you're right. I'm sure those people will be fine..." Well, when you see the clouds...you move your ass Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted April 22, 2005 The sound heard is that of my point flying right past you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted April 23, 2005 Private Meteorologist #1: "Hey, looks like a hurricane's gonna hit southern Florida. Should we warn the public?" Private Meteorologist #2: "Nah, it would cut into our profit margin." Private Meteorologist #1: "Yeah, you're right. I'm sure those people will be fine..." Well, when you see the clouds...you move your ass Here's the problem with that. Hurricane clouds don't look all THAT much different from regular clouds. It just looks like a really, really, really big and bad storm. Then the wind picks up and you know something's wrong, but by that time it's too late. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted April 23, 2005 Private Meteorologist #1: "Hey, looks like a hurricane's gonna hit southern Florida. Should we warn the public?" Private Meteorologist #2: "Nah, it would cut into our profit margin." Private Meteorologist #1: "Yeah, you're right. I'm sure those people will be fine..." Well, when you see the clouds...you move your ass Here's the problem with that. Hurricane clouds don't look all THAT much different from regular clouds. It just looks like a really, really, really big and bad storm. Then the wind picks up and you know something's wrong, but by that time it's too late. I meant any clouds. You see a cloud, run. Even if it's a white fluffy one. With this completely insane idea, you'll never know WHAT the hell the cloud is bringing since it would cost too much money to tell you. So could be a storm, a tornado, a hurricane, or who knows what. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted April 23, 2005 This is maybe the dumbest idea for a bill I've heard in quite some time. Yay, my tax dollars are paying for this idiocy! *waves American flag, hums National Anthem* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted April 23, 2005 You see a cloud, run. Even if it's a white fluffy one. With this completely insane idea, you'll never know WHAT the hell the cloud is bringing since it would cost too much money to tell you. So could be a storm, a tornado, a hurricane, or who knows what. Atomic hail from space? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted April 23, 2005 You see a cloud, run. Even if it's a white fluffy one. With this completely insane idea, you'll never know WHAT the hell the cloud is bringing since it would cost too much money to tell you. So could be a storm, a tornado, a hurricane, or who knows what. Atomic hail from space? It could start raining GIANT TICKS! You'll never know! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites