One and Only Star Wars Geekiness Thread

[ChrisMWaters 0]

I really can't imagine the Puppet version of Yoda with a lightsaber.

 

Especially since it would have dulled the Mark Out feel of him fighting in Episode II.

 

...oh, and Sidious/Palpatine fighting in Ep III I marked for since I saw the brief thing with him with a lightsaber in the first trailer for Ep III.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Palpatine is the new Vader (super-cool heel).

[LessonInMachismo 0]

There are approximately three years between ANH and ESB. There is one year between the beginning of ESB and the beginning of ROTJ.

 

Bespin was VERY close to the Anoat system -- closer than Proxima Centauri to Sol -- but even using the hyperdrive "backup," it tooks six months to make the trip, which is respectable.

[Steve J. Rogers 0]

Gotta say, just watched ANH and ESB again, and I don't know about rating the two climatic battles:

 

Vader vs Kenobi

Big dud here maybe even negative stars, even in light of A) Prowse and Guinessiss having no idea of how to even fence and B) Lucas not yet knowing how a saber duel should go

 

I mean Erol Flynn circa 1930 was better than this crap! It looked like two old guys going back and forth with no real "action" and just Vader looking for the opportunity to strike at Kenobi

 

Vader vs Luke I

Overrated! Maybe two stars tops for the psychological job, especially the end promo which is one of the most epic promos in the genre's history, but Vader takes what only one bump? And he no sells it! Luke was bumping like a Mofo and selling it like a champ. Their matchup in Jedi is much better

 

Steve

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Vader vs Kenobi

Big dud here maybe even negative stars, even in light of A) Prowse and Guinessiss having no idea of how to even fence and B) Lucas not yet knowing how a saber duel should go

 

I mean Erol Flynn circa 1930 was better than this crap! It looked like two old guys going back and forth with no real "action" and just Vader looking for the opportunity to strike at Kenobi

You have to look at it from watching all six movies in chronological order.

 

Vader and Kenobi know each other pretty well from the rumored super long battle they had in Episode III. They knew what, if they were at their best, they were both capable of from their battle on the lava planet.

 

Here, they are not wanting to make a mistake, and are just testing each other out. Plus, there's the fact that Obi-Wan knew that his time to pass on was coming on. Had the battle gone on longer, it might have been slightly more intense physically.

 

And also, there's the fact by this time, Vader is mostly machine, and Obi-Wan's body is 19 years older and probably still suffering from the battle with a younger Anakin...so their bodies physically had trouble with the fighting.

[Steve J. Rogers 0]

There are approximately three years between ANH and ESB. There is one year between the beginning of ESB and the beginning of ROTJ.

 

Bespin was VERY close to the Anoat system -- closer than Proxima Centauri to Sol -- but even using the hyperdrive "backup," it tooks six months to make the trip, which is respectable.

Good Lord, wonder how many insults Leia and Han threw back and forth during that time

 

Or if they ever continued that kiss Threepio cut into

 

Steve

[Guest SpiderFan]

Vader vs Kenobi

Big dud here maybe even negative stars, even in light of A) Prowse and Guinessiss having no idea of how to even fence and B) Lucas not yet knowing how a saber duel should go

 

I mean Erol Flynn circa 1930 was better than this crap!  It looked like two old guys going back and forth with no real "action" and just Vader looking for the opportunity to strike at Kenobi

 

And also, there's the fact by this time, Vader is mostly machine, and Obi-Wan's body is 19 years older and probably still suffering from the battle with a younger Anakin...so their bodies physically had trouble with the fighting.

I also always thought that Obi Wan probably hardly, if ever, used his lightsaber on Tatooine, so as not to draw attention to himself as a jedi. It's got to be hard to fight someone on Vader's level after 20 years of inaction, even if Vader is mostly machine and not as connected to the force as he is in episode III.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Vader vs Kenobi

Big dud here maybe even negative stars, even in light of A) Prowse and Guinessiss having no idea of how to even fence and B) Lucas not yet knowing how a saber duel should go

 

I mean Erol Flynn circa 1930 was better than this crap!  It looked like two old guys going back and forth with no real "action" and just Vader looking for the opportunity to strike at Kenobi

 

And also, there's the fact by this time, Vader is mostly machine, and Obi-Wan's body is 19 years older and probably still suffering from the battle with a younger Anakin...so their bodies physically had trouble with the fighting.

I also always thought that Obi Wan probably hardly, if ever, used his lightsaber on Tatooine, so as not to draw attention to himself as a jedi. It's got to be hard to fight someone on Vader's level after 20 years of inaction, even if Vader is mostly machine and not as connected to the force as he is in episode III.

That could be another reason behind it...which I didn't think of at first.

[ZGangsta 0]

There are approximately three years between ANH and ESB.  There is one year between the beginning of ESB and the beginning of ROTJ.

 

Bespin was VERY close to the Anoat system -- closer than Proxima Centauri to Sol -- but even using the hyperdrive "backup," it tooks six months to make the trip, which is respectable.

Good Lord, wonder how many insults Leia and Han threw back and forth during that time

 

Or if they ever continued that kiss Threepio cut into

 

Steve

THAT'S what you do for the Star Wars TV show! Set it in the 6 months it took the Falcon to get to Bespin. It could be like a sitcom with all sorts of wacky hijinx with C-3P0 and Chewie, and awkward romantic moments with Han and Leia.

 

Major point to whoever can come up with the best name for that show.

[Guest SpiderFan]

Major point to whoever can come up with the best name for that show.

The Honeymooners?

[LessonInMachismo 0]

Major point to whoever can come up with the best name for that show.

The Honeymooners?

Falcon's Jest.

[Steve J. Rogers 0]

Major point to whoever can come up with the best name for that show.

The Honeymooners?

A Guy and Girl a Protocol Droid and A Wookie

[Steve J. Rogers 0]

Lust In Space

 

Star Wars: Voyager

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Gotta say, just watched ANH and ESB again, and I don't know about rating the two climatic battles:

 

Vader vs Kenobi

Big dud here maybe even negative stars, even in light of A) Prowse and Guinessiss having no idea of how to even fence and B) Lucas not yet knowing how a saber duel should go

 

I mean Erol Flynn circa 1930 was better than this crap! It looked like two old guys going back and forth with no real "action" and just Vader looking for the opportunity to strike at Kenobi

 

Vader vs Luke I

Overrated! Maybe two stars tops for the psychological job, especially the end promo which is one of the most epic promos in the genre's history, but Vader takes what only one bump? And he no sells it! Luke was bumping like a Mofo and selling it like a champ. Their matchup in Jedi is much better

 

Steve

Honestly how much damage does Vader even take in the first battle with Luke? Some steam to the face and that lucky shot on the arm Luke gets in just before losing his hand? Luke got owned in the first fight and in the second one Luke did the owning.

 

However, Luke's inexperience shows in the first fight with Vader. He basically spends the whole time wildly swinging his lightsaber to fend off attacks and flying objects. He doesn't show much form at all as opposed to the second fight in which he looks like an accomplished swordsman.

[cabbageboy 0]

Incidentally, why the hate towards classic Flynn swashbucklers?

 

As far as the Kenobi/Vader fight in Star Wars, well it's really not a contest at that point since Obi Wan was old and Vader was clearly better.

[Art Sandusky 0]

Anyone who gives the ESB duel less than ****3/4 is a retard.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Just watched Attack of the Clones again...

 

Some star ratings and a question.

 

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- Anakin & Ob-Wan Vs. Zam Wessel (name right?) - Not much of a match here. No signature spots from either of Team Jedi, and Zam really saw the effects of bringing in too many characters at once as creative decided to go with the Jango Fett character as the mid-card staple, due to having a better look. Still, for mayhem and crowd fighting, I'll go * 1/4.

 

- Obi-Wan Vs. Jango Fett. Classic high-flyer Vs. ground and pound match here. A lot of support for the new heel, but Jango's kind of a spot machine. As we'll see later, Jango really doesn't bring the goods except when doing "flippy-floppy" jetpack spots. Interference from Boba Fett marred an otherwise fair bout. However, we'll go ** for the use of the blue Slave-I against a guy with a lightsaber.

 

- Anakin Vs. Tusken Raiders. Total squash, with the main purpose being to establish Anakin's new "tweener" character after a lot of complaints from fans that his babyface look wasn't cutting it. Being clipped down to a few seconds doesn't help. *

 

- Anakin & Padme Vs. Geonosians & Machinery - Anakin carried everyone to a pretty neat contest, including a big "false finish" with getting his arm caught in the machinery, only to ultimately free it. This was there. * 3/4

 

- Anakin/Obi-Wan/Padme Vs. 3 Big Monster Creatures and Geonosians - Some innovative spots but still looks like a cartoon. A babyface turn by the rhino-looking red creature helps to even out the odds. Obi-Wan was feelin' it, as its evident he can pretty much carry a gundark to four stars, but this was a little too disconjointed for my tastes. We'll go **.

 

- Mace Windu Vs. Jango Fett. Jango tried to get over, but Mace quickly introduced him to the glass ceiling. Total squash, with Mace killing all of Jango's heat with an easy beheading. Jango, despite having a big following that "wants him to be at the top of the bad guy chain", proved that he's a spot monkey and without the jetpack, he's useless. ** for effectiveness.

 

- Jedi/Padme/Clones Vs Geonosians/Droid Army Battle Royal - Pretty good brawl here, with one Jedi attempting a high spot but falling off the balcony. Threepio and Artoo brought some comedy but were ultimately non-factors. No real winner established until later, as it seemed the Federation allies retreated. We'll go *** here, it was a good, dusty, dogfight.

 

- Obi-Wan Vs. Dooku - Dooku wins rather easily. Match was originally supposed to be a handicap match until Anakin botched the beginning pretty badly. * 1/2

 

- Anakin Vs. Dooku - WOULD IT KILL THE BOOKERS TO HAVE THE SINGLES BOUTS GO LONGER THAN 45 seconds? Anakin's got a good future probably. Still, a little too babyface-ish, but dug the "dark" setting after the lights go out. Dooku wins easily. Anakin could use the time up during his injury period to change his character, maybe a heel turn is necessary. *

 

- Yoda Vs. Dooku - Finally something worthwhile. Yoda is one of the top two or three most gifted duelers you'll probably ever see. Good to see him hitting all the spots to massive pops, and this was the one battle which meant something. Dooku takes a powder to bring the bout to a no-contest, slightly dissapointing. *** 3/4 it gets.

 

Attack of the Clones: When the battles were meaningful, they were too short or barely battles at all. On the flip side, the long battles involved workers who we barely knew the names of with little heat. I'm dissapointed. AOTC seemed to focus more on storylines. Odd, you know, since the word "ATTACK" is in the title. Meh.

 

The movie gets ** overall from me.

Nowhere as good as New Hope, ESB, or Jedi. As for Phantom Menace...while Menace really disturbed me and made me initially hate it as a "kid's" movie, the climatic fight scenes blew AOTC away. I'm gonna go even on them, although AOTC tried new things that I liked.

 

QUESTION: On Kamino, the tall giraffe looking host speaks about the "original host" for the clones, Jango Fett. In addition to his hefty salary, he also comissioned one clone that would never be altered for his own. Is this Boba? Or is Boba his natural son? Did Jango nail Zam and have Boba? Is this clone alive still? Will ROTS answer this? If so, please do NOT spoil it.

[Art Sandusky 0]

Boba Fett is the unaltered clone of Jango Fett. He doesn't appear in ROTS, so it's no spoiler. All the stuff you'd need to know was alluded to somehow in AOTC.

 

AOTC is the one film of the saga that really has little business existing. Would THAT MUCH have changed without it? At least set it during a time when there's more stuff going on. It's really the worst for other reasons, that being that not enough stuff going on exposed the awfulness of the writing. Have the Clone Wars themselves start about 30-45 minutes in and go from there.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

It was all about the romance.

 

My god, have you seen the deleted scenes??

 

Padme's Sister: "Well Anakin, you're the first boyfriend Padme has ever brought home..."

Padme: "He's NOT my boyfriend!!!!"

 

So lame.

 

Attack of the Clones, its horrible title, and its awful repeated over and over and over lame use of the word "M'Lady" 50 million times will be collecting dust soon along with Menace once ROTS hits.

 

Cause seriously, the first 2 prequels are useless.

 

Anakin's a Jedi. He's bangin Padme. Obi-Wan's his master that doubts him.

 

Got it. Bring on Revenge of the Sith and let's go.

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"Boba Fett is the unaltered clone of Jango Fett. He doesn't appear in ROTS"

 

The fuck he doesn't. Kid didn't pick up that helmet for nothing. I want Fett shooting things. Altho he'd only be like 10 years old.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

I wouldn't call Palpatine's rise to power useless. That's some of the best stuff in the prequels.

[cabbageboy 0]

I suppose Phantom Menace has useful stuff going on in it, in terms of Qui Gon finding Anakin and the initial lurking of the Sith and all that. But the movie is easily the weakest of the entire series.

 

AOTC is a film that is admittedly full of smoke and mirrors in terms of what is really going on. I'm STILL not quite sure really...something to do with Dooku leading a separtist movement with the Trade Federation assclowns, while also creating an army of clones to destroy said separtists....is that anywhere near accurate? The film does have quite a bit of good stuff though, and I am possibly the only one on earth who kinda likes the Anakin/Padme part.

[caboose 0]

I watched Phantom Menace recently for the first time in about two years, and it was a lot better than I remember. Jar Jar isn't that annoying in hindsight, just ignore him and its all fine. The battle scene between the droids and Gun-guns is actually really well done IMO and the three way saber duel is good fun. Most significantly I found that despite Jake Lloyd's terrible acting, all the Anakin scenes are really good, helping to build up the character's eventual downfall.

 

Still after the Original Trilogy, but lightyears ahead of Attack of Clones.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Dooku is leading the separatists (at the behest of Palpatine, who also prodded the Trade Fed. into action in TPM), however he didn't create the clone army. Jedi Master Syfo Dias (speculation that he = Palpatine) ordered the clones.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

My theory is that the reasoning behind the manipulating of both sides is to make the war, and whoever in the end wins the war will be weak enough for Palpatine to rise to ultimate power with relative ease.

[Darthtiki 0]

Well I saw it tonight, DAMN!!!

My ratings are below:

-Obi-Wan Kenobi/Anakin Skywalker V. Darth Tyranus-Handicap match **

-Anakin Skywalker V. Darth Tyranus II***

-Mace Windu and his Jedi stable V. Emperor Palpatine***1/2

-Mace Windu V. Anakin Skywalker**

-Yoda V. Emperor Palpatine****

-Obi-Wan Kenobi V. General Grevious*

-MAIN EVENT: Obi-Wan Kenobi V. Anakin Skywalker****1/2

-Obi-Wan Kenobi/Anakin Skywalker V. Darth Tyranus-Handicap match **

This was somewhat of a couple quick spots before Tyranus takes out Obi-Wan, leading to:

 

-Anakin Skywalker V. Darth Tyranus II***

It's all about the finish

 

-Mace Windu and his Jedi stable V. Emperor Palpatine***1/2

Great match up through Palpatines chamber, also it will explain Palpatine's physical appearance. Mace clearly takes the fight until the obligitory run in.

 

-Mace Windu V. Anakin Skywalker**

Quick and to the point, but for my money Mace goes out like a punk which sucks.

 

-Yoda V. Emperor Palpatine****

Workboots are brought, major spot fest and utterly amazing.

 

-Obi-Wan Kenobi V. General Grevious*

Too damn short, Grevious gets one high spot that doesn't connect and the actual battle with sabers lasts all of a minute and a half to two minutes

 

-MAIN EVENT: Obi-Wan Kenobi V. Anakin Skywalker****1/2

Well done, again workboots are brought, total spot fest good finish.

 

I may edit my ratings next week when I see it opening night.

[Neil-o-Mac 0]

My theory is that the reasoning behind the manipulating of both sides is to make the war, and whoever in the end wins the war will be weak enough for Palpatine to rise to ultimate power with relative ease.

Yup, pretty much the way I understand it. Palpy & Dooku created the seperatist movement through the whole Naboo blockade in Menace and the snowball effect from that, prodded through Dooku being the 'public face' of the Seps, while Dooku, also posing as Sifo-Dyas (after offing the erstwhile Jedi Master, as stated in the Labirynth of Evil novel), creates the 'opposition' for the seperatitsts in the Clonetroopers. Meanwhile Palpy manipulates his way up the Republic's political ladder and eventually uses the war that he secretly orchestrates to put himself in a position to lay the smack down on the Republic and the Jedi too, through Order 66. All the while, Palpy's grooming Anakin to take the spot at Palpy's side. Dooku *thinks* he's Palpy's #1 chum, but in fact he gets played by Sidious, which he only realises at the end.

 

Palpatine = possibly the best Sci-fi villan ever, in terms of genius machinations.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

-Anakin Skywalker V. Darth Tyranus II***

It's all about the finish

I've seen the pic, and it looks fantastic. I can't wait to see it played out.

 

*POP*

[NoCalMike 0]

Quick Question: ANyone experienced with Fandango? I fandango'd my tickets and I am wondering if I can go to the theater a day or so before Ep III and exchange my printed papers for tickets then to avoid the masses doing it in line or with Fandangdo do you HAVE TO WAIT until the night of the show? Thanks.

 

EDIT: I guess I am calling Regal Cinemas for the answer.

[Steve J. Rogers 0]

Anyone who gives the ESB duel less than ****3/4 is a retard.

Well I'm not putting it in context

 

Sure, in the grand scheme of things its epic, but as a stand alone...

[Art Sandusky 0]

It actually still works as a single fight. It tells a story, just as a good wrestling match would, plus there are breaks and extreme suspense. I think someone either here or at TF.N said that when Vader lunges in on Luke out of nowhere during the second sequence that it's a complete embodiment of Vader's power and the Sith style.