HBO: Wrestling Deaths

[Addy 0]

Having never seen this show before (or even heard of it), I saw it on PWTorrents and downloaded it.

 

Anyone else seen it and what did they think of Vince's reaction?

 

I've cut out that part specifically and uploaded it:

 

http://s2.datapickup.com/d.asp?id=Y8FVH0D2...48B0634AU04M447

[MillenniumMan831 0]

Thanks for the upload. And may I add Vince has some nerve to say he's not responsible for the business . . . he runs the damn business and even in the 1980s, he was by far the #1 game in town for much of that.

[Guest BobBacklundRules]

Vince getting pissed and smacking the interviewer’s notes shows exactly how much Vince hates the subject. Vince has some serious personal issues, which reminds me of that interview he did for playboy when he talked about his childhood.

 

Can anyone post some other of Vince's interview gems?

[iliketurtles 0]

Man.

 

One word to describe that: embarassing.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Another amusing note was Fat Ass Madden taking the program the task for saying McMahon caused the deaths of all the wrestlers that it talked about. The only problem was the program never made any such claim.

[genius33 0]

can someone upload the full story?? that interview with vince is embarrassing to say the least. for a the head of a billion-dollar organization, he sure comes off as a child who got his feelings hurt and wants to lash back. wow

[CBright7831 0]

I wish I could have seen the Costas interview.

 

But apparently, NOBODY recorded and uploaded it online. I can't even find recaps online about it.

 

Thanks for the upload. And may I add Vince has some nerve to say he's not responsible for the business . . . he runs the damn business and even in the 1980s, he was by far the #1 game in town for much of that.

 

When Vince did that, I was like "Wow!". He started out calm about the subject, and then just went ape shit. Something tells me he gets easily aggitated. As for the Playboy interview, although I have never read it, I have heard by all accounts it's shocking.

 

Vince saw his mother getting beat up by his step-father and tried to help his mother, and he got beat up for it. I also heard his step father did some other things to him which I won't get into. He said "he's lucky he died, because I would have killed him eventually."

[Addy 0]

You can read the Playboy interview here:

 

http://www23.brinkster.com/vkmfanclub/cont...ayboy-feb01.htm

[Frosty 0]

I think that Vince was perfectly in the right for getting pissed off. Just think about how many people in other business, say Wallstreet for example are into drugs and the like and none of the owners of those companies are held or even suggested as being responsible.

 

As Vince said, there are plenty of wrestlers that were into personal shit before the WWE. Chris Candido is one example and Eddie Guerrero is another. Both of them were heavy into drugs and other shit before they got into the WWE, so is blaming Vince for the problems that they had before the WWE logical just because they worked for him and he never went out of his way to fix those problems?

 

Look at Louis Spicolli (sp?) He was definatly into it in the WWE and undoubtably before and after the WWE, same with Brian Pillman, He was well into painkillers and stuff before he entered the WWE. Now while it is certainly unfortunate that they did die, it is far from Vince's responsibility that they couldn't kick their problems. No more is it their parents fault, or their spouses fault, or even their co-workers fault.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

When wrestlers have to take potentially dangerous chemical aids to, not only make it through the insane schedule wrestlers have, but also to attain the physique necessary to gain a top spot, or any kind of real spot, who else is to blame but the man in charge who maintains a business structure where those kinds of risks have to be taken to succeed ?

 

Yes, the wrestlers know the risks involved when it comes to being in the WWF/E, but with them being the only game in town, and the only way for the vast majority of wrestlers to earn a living without having to take a second or third job, is it really necessary to keep up that kind of business model ?

 

If you want to assign further blame, how about giving some to the fans, who demand the kind of super human physiques from wrestlers that again can't be achieved by most without chemical aid.

 

Is Vince solely to blame for these deaths ? No, and the program never said that. But he sure as heck deserves his share of the blame, for perpetuating a promotion and schedule that does nothing at all to discourage drug use.

[Frosty 0]

He's put many wrestlers through rehad and he's fired wrestlers for drug use. If that isn't doing anything, then nothing is. Sure he might not be out to "Obilish all drug use in pro wrestling", but he is no more at fault then any other promoter in the word. Just because he is the biggest game in town, don't mean he is the only game in town, as there was WCW at one time, ECW as well, and now there are more indpendant federations acroos the world then there ever was before.

 

Many people are working as wrestlers across the globe and specifically North America without having to get second and third jobs.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Correction. He's fired wrestlers that have been publicly caught with drugs and sent one wrestler to rehab.

 

And the roid freaks in the early 90s don't count because he was trying to save his ass.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

He's put many wrestlers through rehad and he's fired wrestlers for drug use. If that isn't doing anything, then nothing is. Sure he might not be out to "Obilish all drug use in pro wrestling", but he is no more at fault then any other promoter in the word. Just because he is the biggest game in town, don't mean he is the only game in town, as there was WCW at one time, ECW as well, and now there are more indpendant federations acroos the world then there ever was before.

 

Many people are working as wrestlers across the globe and specifically North America without having to get second and third jobs.

He's put many wrestlers through rehad and he's fired wrestlers for drug use.

 

Yes, when the problem for a wrestler has hit a low point, he might act. How about doing something to stop that low point from happening in the first place ?

 

Sure he might not be out to "Obilish all drug use in pro wrestling", but he is no more at fault then any other promoter in the word.

 

Well that just makes him Joe Innocent then.

 

Just because he is the biggest game in town, don't mean he is the only game in town

 

He's just about the only one for the vast majority of US wrestlers who want to wrestle and earn a comfortable living.

 

as there was WCW at one time, ECW as well

 

For drug use, those in charge of WCW deserve blame too, for perpetuating the same sort of atmosphere and business model. As for ECW, their drug problems were legendary. Not to mentiong that not many ECW wrestlers came close to making comfortable living, and many of them came out in tremendous debt.

 

and now there are more indpendant federations acroos the world then there ever was before.

 

Many of whom pay peanuts, almost literally.

 

Many people are working as wrestlers across the globe and specifically North America without having to get second and third jobs.

 

The vast majority of wrestlers in the world have to have second job, not in wrestling. Even WWE guys at times have had to take outside jobs to make ends meet.

[Guest MikeSC]

When wrestlers have to take potentially dangerous chemical aids to, not only make it through the insane schedule wrestlers have, but also to attain the physique necessary to gain a top spot, or any kind of real spot, who else is to blame but the man in charge who maintains a business structure where those kinds of risks have to be taken to succeed ?

 

Yes, the wrestlers know the risks involved when it comes to being in the WWF/E, but with them being the only game in town, and the only way for the vast majority of wrestlers to earn a living without having to take a second or third job, is it really necessary to keep up that kind of business model ?

 

If you want to assign further blame, how about giving some to the fans, who demand the kind of super human physiques from wrestlers that again can't be achieved by most without chemical aid.

 

Is Vince solely to blame for these deaths ? No, and the program never said that. But he sure as heck deserves his share of the blame, for perpetuating a promotion and schedule that does nothing at all to discourage drug use.

Vince is also one of the ONLY guys who has ever sent guys to rehab and paid for it. He did it for Regal. Did it for Guerrero.

 

Let's not forget that Jeff Hardy, by many accounts, lost his WWE job because he refused to go to rehab when Vince thought he had a problem.

 

Vince DOES try to fix the problems.

-=Mike

[Carnival 0]

good point mike, can't forget X-Pac's rehab when he wasn't even employed.

 

Didn't some line in his biography quote Vince as saying he could snort mountains of coke and not become addicted.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I've never once said Vince did nothing to fix problems. I just think he could, not only do more, but step in and try and stop problems from reaching such a critical point. Yes, he's done a lot for some wrestlers, and I won't and never have said otherwise.

 

But let's not forget that he didn't seem to have a problem with Tully Blanchard snorting coke until Tully wanted to leave, not to mention that Razor Ramon's suspension for drug use just happened to come on the very same day he gave notice.

[The Czech Republic 0]

Another amusing note was Fat Ass Madden taking the program the task for saying McMahon caused the deaths of all the wrestlers that it talked about.

John, or Mark?

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

He also had no problem with Jake Roberts drug use.

[The Niggardly King 0]

PLAYBOY: That's an awful way to learn how a man behaves.

 

MCMAHON: I learned how not to be. One thing I loathe is a man who will strike a woman. There's never an excuse for that.

 

That Mcmahon playboy interview is... interesting. At least I get to know Vinnie Mac used to kick Marines asses.

[Guest netslob]

PLAYBOY: That's an awful way to learn how a man behaves.

 

MCMAHON: I learned how not to be. One thing I loathe is a man who will strike a woman. There's never an excuse for that.

 

and yet he does it often on his shows. whatever

[hbkhhhmark4life 0]

can someone put up the link to this interview again, I would like to see it because the link at the beginning of the topic does not work:)

[Guest Stunt Granny]

At around the same time there was a girl my age who was, in essence, my cousin. Later in life she actually wound up marrying that asshole Leo Lupton, my stepfather! Boy, this sounds like Tobacco Road. Anyway, I remember the two of us being so curious about each other's bodies but not knowing what the hell to do. We would go into the woods and get naked together. It felt good. And for some reason I wanted to put crushed leaves into her. Don't know why, but I remember that. I don't remember the first time I had intercourse, believe it or not.

 

-Vince McMahon on love.

[Guest bigm350]

At around the same time there was a girl my age who was, in essence, my cousin. Later in life she actually wound up marrying that asshole Leo Lupton, my stepfather! Boy, this sounds like Tobacco Road. Anyway, I remember the two of us being so curious about each other's bodies but not knowing what the hell to do. We would go into the woods and get naked together. It felt good. And for some reason I wanted to put crushed leaves into her. Don't know why, but I remember that. I don't remember the first time I had intercourse, believe it or not.

 

-Vince McMahon on love.

Crushed leaves?

[Guest netslob]

this fucker needs therapy...NOW.

[Gary Floyd 0]

He also had no problem with Jake Roberts drug use.

I don't think there's a rehab clinic in the world that would make Jake clean.

[Guest Stunt Granny]

Yeah as long as you're a drugged out bum, but you're fine with it you will never get clean. Although Jake is still gonna outlive us all.