NBA Offseason Stuff

[Precious Roy 0]

This is still bullshit.  The "other companys have dresscodes" shit doesn't even work into the argument because when they aredoing their jobs, they are wearing their jerseys and shorts.  They can have all the mandates in the world about that, but they are saying how these guys have to travel and dress basically outside of work. 

 

They have to abide by the dress code when they're traveling as part of their job with the team. Not outside of work. Not 24/7. Traveling on a team bus or charter flight is considered part of the job, it's mandatory.

 

Iam going to predict the future here.  They are going to outlaw cornrows soon.  Call me paranoid or what ever, but they are going to start telling guys how to cut their hair pretty soon. 

 

You're paranoid, or whatever

 

And anyway, that would effect Steve Nash too! A CANADIAN!!

 

And yes, 600k is alot, but when you have ALREADY spent money on a wardrobe then all of a sudden you have to buy a ENTIRE new wardrobe, we are talking alot of money.

 

You're still reaching for straws. This ENTIRE new wardrobe is required to be nothing more than a dress shirt, slacks and loafers. Most guards in the league could outfit themselves at a Sears or Walmart for chump change. For the bigger guys there's all kinds of retail and mail order big and tall stores that offer cheap prices. Theoretically, a guy could rotate two or three outfits all year long. Theoretically, a guy could wear the same shit every day until it wears out from dry cleaning (and most teams have people, on salary, who handle shit like laundry for the players). If money IS a concern there's no reason to spend more than a couple hundred bucks, and since MOST professionals in the adult world have to do the same while making far less money, I don't get why the violin plays for these guys.

[Brett Favre 0]

I had no idea we were looking at the way someone dresses to decide their qualifications for the job. Anyone who thinks suits make you professional is a fucking douche.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

 

This wouldn't pass the dress code.

 

Plus, I think TD would look dumb in a suit.

[Precious Roy 0]

I had no idea we were looking at the way someone dresses to decide their qualifications for the job. Anyone who thinks suits make you professional is a fucking douche.

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Have you ever had a job interview? This is the way things work in the real world.

 

Hell, I wish I could wear my Doc Martins, dirty jeans and camo jacket every day....

[Brett Favre 0]

Oh, and i'd hire people on their qualifications, not how they dress. Unless you're required to wear a uniform.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

 

This also wouldn't fly with the new dress code.

[Precious Roy 0]

The first person to wear a PUFFY SHIRT or blazer with a big gold crest is my hero

 

And there's no rule against dressing how you want for SLAM photoshoots

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

The first person to wear a PUFFY SHIRT or blazer with a big gold crest is my hero

 

And there's no rule against dressing how you want for SLAM photoshoots

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That picture was actually taken at a formal awards dinner.

[Brett Favre 0]

There's no rule against dressing how you want for a formal awards dinner.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

I was just joking.

[Brett Favre 0]

That's pretty funny then.

[Guest MikeSC]

This is still bullshit.

Like it or not, a company has every right to demand people who are representing them NOT look like hoodlums. They have every right --- and, remember, if the players DIDN'T dress like hoods, it wouldn't be an issue --- to say "When you're working for us, you had best look presentable".

 

They don't want to do it? Then go out and find a job that utilizes one of their other (non-existant) skills outside of basketball.

The "other companys have dresscodes" shit doesn't even work into the argument because when they aredoing their jobs, they are wearing their jerseys and shorts.  They can have all the mandates in the world about that, but they are saying how these guys have to travel and dress basically outside of work.

No, they are saying "As long as you are representing us" --- which they do while going to and from games and having promotional appearances --- then the NBA calls the shots.

 

Again, nobody is forcing them to be NBA players.

Iam going to predict the future here.  They are going to outlaw cornrows soon.

God willing. But that's just a personal preference as that is one BUTT-ass ugly hair "style".

Call me paranoid or what ever, but they are going to start telling guys how to cut their hair pretty soon.

 

And yes, 600k is alot, but when you have ALREADY spent money on a wardrobe then all of a sudden you have to buy a ENTIRE new wardrobe, we are talking alot of money.

Oh cry me a friggin' river. These poor NBA players have to pay for suits only making, what, 20 or so times more than professionals in other fields make?

 

Man, they gotta feed their kids, right?

I had no idea we were looking at the way someone dresses to decide their qualifications for the job. Anyone who thinks suits make you professional is a fucking douche.

Anyone who thinks doo rags, over-sized shorts, and crappy throwback jerseys present a good image, then they are horrificly blind to reality.

Oh, and i'd hire people on their qualifications, not how they dress. Unless you're required to wear a uniform.

You know, you should never wear a suit to an interview and see how well that works for you.

[Guest]

I agree with all that.

[Ripper 0]

Oh yeah I have no problem with him, but every thread that even slightly concerns race relations is a foregone conclusion.

 

I don't remember Michael Jordan or the Bulls looking like thugs.

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I have posted in all of 5 threads in a month. All in Sports and Video games. I have god knows how many post in this thread, so don't pretend that I have come running around saying "let me save them blacks"

 

If you want to be honest, those making the least amount of money in the league are those 200 k per year are the white guys waving towels on the benches.

 

And you people aren't absorbing what I am saying. I am reading this and become more and more sure that none of you have ever had a suit tailored before. I am a little muthafucka and that shit cost me like 800 dollars. "OMG, they spend 400 on a THROWBACK". SO THE FUCK WHAT. at the time, it was rumored that they were going to be required to wear suits, which prompted Marcus Camby's comment and prompted my comment. While that isn't the case anymore, if they WERE required to wear suits to EVERY game, and assuming they don't wear the same one over and over, and have to wear one to all press apperances, traveling you are talking, easily, a extra 20k out of a guys pocket in a year. I know, KG makes 20 mil a year, well Royal Ivey makes 150 k per year after taxes, and I am pretty sure had his own expenses before the newly implimented dress code came into play and all of a sudden has to drop a extra 20k.

 

Hell if you want to even dealve deeper into it, take a 2nd round draft pick that signed for league minimum and is going to take home 150k this year. He A doesn't get it all at once, B: has start up expenses of a new home, what ever family expenses and such.

 

Just because people get paid more than you doesn't mean money isn't a problem and "SUPRISE, here is a 20k bill that you weren't expecting" simply isn't fair to a small, yet very viable part of the league. The rule wasn't going to be put just to the High paid guys. It would have effected every.

 

BUT

 

The real dress code came out and had nothing to do with wearing suits all the time, thus making ALL THAT and Marcus Camby's statement null and void. But I personally have worked at 2 jobs that shifted their dress requirements drastically and gave money to the employees to cover it, so if the NBA wants to keep using the "this is the same as the real world business" line then they should act like it.

 

I still find the dress code to be bullshit and it does read like they sat around and said "Now what else do those hip hoppers wear....jewlery....yeah...lets get rid of that too."

 

They weren't dressed like hoodlums. They were dressed like every other athlete from every other sport dresses. Comfortable. Of course there will be the dumbass who think anything but a shirt and tie or tight jeans and tucked in shirt is dressing like a "thug" but seriously, those people are fucking idiots.

 

Plus, how can the NBA say wearing sports jerseys display a bad image when they are selling them at the goddamn arena to the people that came in the building. Way to clean up the leagues image. By telling all its fans buying the merchandise that they are dressing like thugs.

 

Really stupid policy sez I. The NBA is now home of the dumbest age limit policy and the dumbest dress code policy in American sports. Way to go Commish.

[Guest]

You didn't answer the main question. Is this racist?

[Ripper 0]

In the "discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion" sense of it, I guess that argument could be made(because of the jewlery thing). I won't exactly say that.

 

I will say that one aspect of it (ESPECIALLY the jewlery part) is aimed squarely at the african americans in the league, but this dress code affects all the players, so it can't really be said this is aimed at a race.

 

It is still just incredibly stupid.

[Guest MikeSC]

I have posted in all of 5 threads in a month. All in Sports and Video games. I have god knows how many post in this thread, so don't pretend that I have come running around saying "let me save them blacks"

 

If you want to be honest, those making the least amount of money in the league are those 200 k per year are the white guys waving towels on the benches.

 

And THEY aren't bitching about having to buy suits while making a fraction of what the "stars" (who, mind you, aren't exactly producing big ratings) make.

 

And you people aren't absorbing what I am saying. I am reading this and become more and more sure that none of you have ever had a suit tailored before. I am a little muthafucka and that shit cost me like 800 dollars. "OMG, they spend 400 on a THROWBACK". SO THE FUCK WHAT. at the time, it was rumored that they were going to be required to wear suits, which prompted Marcus Camby's comment and prompted my comment. While that isn't the case anymore, if they WERE required to wear suits to EVERY game, and assuming they don't wear the same one over and over, and have to wear one to all press apperances, traveling you are talking, easily, a extra 20k out of a guys pocket in a year.

 

Or, in simple terms, a little less than 1% of the salary of stars. Man, the brutal life they live. Gee, I have to look professional, and I make a tiny fraction and am seen by a microscopic percentage as many people.

 

Yet I manage to go on with life and not find the sheer "idiocy" of a policy where a company doesn't want to have their image tarnished because their employees can't dress like adults.

 

I know, KG makes 20 mil a year, well Royal Ivey makes 150 k per year after taxes, and I am pretty sure had his own expenses before the newly implimented dress code came into play and all of a sudden has to drop a extra 20k.

 

Yet bankers, who make about 1/3 of what Ivey makes, manage to make ends meet while buying suits.

 

Hell if you want to even dealve deeper into it, take a 2nd round draft pick that signed for league minimum and is going to take home 150k this year. He A doesn't get it all at once, B: has start up expenses of a new home, what ever family expenses and such.

 

Yes, because guys after a year or two of college (where they received a free ride) OFTEN have big expenses. Yup.

 

Just because people get paid more than you doesn't mean money isn't a problem and "SUPRISE, here is a 20k bill that you weren't expecting" simply isn't fair to a small, yet very viable part of the league.

 

That gets filed under "tough shit".

 

Go to Men's Wearhouse where you can get 2 suits for the price you pay for one ugly-as-shit throwback.

 

The rule wasn't going to be put just to the High paid guys. It would have effected every.

 

Good. Let it. The NBA has every right to say "You won't make US look bad because you don't know how adults in the real world dress". They let this slide for WAY too long.

 

BUT

 

The real dress code came out and had nothing to do with wearing suits all the time, thus making ALL THAT and Marcus Camby's statement null and void. But I personally have worked at 2 jobs that shifted their dress requirements drastically and gave money to the employees to cover it, so if the NBA wants to keep using the "this is the same as the real world business" line then they should act like it.

 

Fine. Then let them test for pot. My job can do that.

 

I still find the dress code to be bullshit and it does read like they sat around and said "Now what else do those hip hoppers wear....jewlery....yeah...lets get rid of that too."

 

They weren't dressed like hoodlums. They were dressed like every other athlete from every other sport dresses.

 

I don't see NFL players dressed like thugs. Ditto MLB players.

 

Comfortable. Of course there will be the dumbass who think anything but a shirt and tie or tight jeans and tucked in shirt is dressing like a "thug" but seriously, those people are fucking idiots.

 

And there will be people who proclaim racism in the sheer concept that a professional image is something to be desired. They, too, are fucking idiots.

 

Plus, how can the NBA say wearing sports jerseys display a bad image when they are selling them at the goddamn arena to the people that came in the building.

You mean besides the fact that the FANS DON'T REPRESENT THE LEAGUE AND AREN'T EMPLOYED BY THE LEAGUE?

 

Really, is this the best argument you can come up with?

 

Way to clean up the leagues image. By telling all its fans buying the merchandise that they are dressing like thugs.

 

Yes, that is EXACTLY what they're saying. You NAILED them.

 

Of course, those same fans have to dress like adults in their everyday real life.

 

'Bout damned time the NBA made their players do the same.

 

Really stupid policy sez I. The NBA is now home of the dumbest age limit policy and the dumbest dress code policy in American sports. Way to go Commish.

 

Hmm, sagging ratings. Sagging attendance. Yup, no need to fix anything.

[Guest]

But by your logic, it would have been the white players scraping for money to buy the suits and ties that were rumored to be a part of the dress code. What about that?

 

Taking away the jewelry is just so that they can look more presentable to middle America, and actually give a positive image towards young kids. What's wrong with that?

 

EDIT: Directed towards Rip, because someone may ask.

[alfdogg 0]

If I can break up the red carpet special for a minute, I've posted the NBA championship odds in my blog, courtesy of sportsbook.com.

 

LEAVE FEEDBACK PLZ KTHXBYE.

[Ripper 0]

I find it wrong to suggest that wearing anything but a suit is a "bad image to the youth". If you (YOU particuarly) want to run from every non white not wearing a suit because they are thuggish and threatning, then fine, but to present that as a valid line of thinking for the rest of society to live by is ridiculous and it helps to keep purely incorrect stereotypes alive and well.

[lomasmoney 0]

Most people who go to NBA games, white or black, probably arent sitting there thinking well shit, Allen Iverson is wearing a 450 dollar throwback Oscar Robertson jersey. They are more pissed that they dropped damn near $200 dollars for tickets and expenses and the player they came to see is sitting on the bench with a groin injury. I really have never heard of one person who really cares what the players are wearing. Hell, we loved the little side deal Larry Brown and Rasheed had going in the 2004 finals with the dueling hockey sweaters. If the NBA is really concerned with image, then make the games more exciting to watch as far as showcasing the best basketball players in the world, instead of worrying about if Tracy McGrady is sitting on the team bus wearing a comped $400 dollar Addias track suit with a $10,000 chain. Let him wear it because the owner of the team is making more money off of him than the owner is paying him

[Guest MikeSC]

If you, as a league, want to make money, you'd better have players a lot of people give a shit about. God knows the game is so tedious that it won't suck people in.

[Guest]

I find it wrong to suggest that wearing anything but a suit is a "bad image to the youth".  If you (YOU particuarly) want to run from every non white not wearing a suit because they are thuggish and threatning, then fine, but to present that as a valid line of thinking for the rest of society to live by is ridiculous and it helps to keep purely incorrect stereotypes alive and well.

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Not a suit, just to look presentable. A dress shirt and slacks, not some huge ass white T and baggy pants.

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

I find it wrong to suggest that wearing anything but a suit is a "bad image to the youth".  If you (YOU particuarly) want to run from every non white not wearing a suit because they are thuggish and threatning, then fine, but to present that as a valid line of thinking for the rest of society to live by is ridiculous and it helps to keep purely incorrect stereotypes alive and well.

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Not a suit, just to look presentable. A dress shirt and slacks, not some huge ass white T and baggy pants.

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So what's to stop a player from wearing a huge baggy dress shirt and dress pants 4 sizes too large?

 

Also, I'd like to see a player challenge the "no gold chains" part in court by wearing a cross and then accusing the NBA of religious discrimination.

[Ripper 0]

And THEY aren't bitching about having to buy suits while making a fraction of what the "stars" (who, mind you, aren't exactly producing big ratings) make.

 

Steve Nash, Brad Miller, Greg Ostertag, Jason Collier (before he died of course) and plenty of others have been against it. Of course, Allen Iverson and Stephen Jackson is all you are going to see on television complaining. The funny thing about this is that Marcus Camby, the guy that made the comment wears suits to every game. he was just raising a good point.

 

Or, in simple terms, a little less than 1% of the salary of stars. Man, the brutal life they live. Gee, I have to look professional, and I make a tiny fraction and am seen by a microscopic percentage as many people.

 

Okay, A: Don't you work in a warehouse? Since when do you have to look professional. And B: THE SALARY STARS ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES AFFECTED. If we were to impliment a new tax where every american would have to pay an additional 2k per year in taxes, we would all bitch but honestly it wouldn't hurt the majority of the nation. But then you have those that are making 10-11k per year. If you impliment a policy you have to think of how it affects EVERYONE in its scope, not just the most priviledged.

 

 

 

Yet I manage to go on with life and not find the sheer "idiocy" of a policy where a company doesn't want to have their image tarnished because their employees can't dress like adults.

 

They will have their image tarnished py employees that think like children if they employ people like yourself that say "Hey, he has a differnet style than me. He is not dressing like an adult". Be a socialist all you want thats how you want to feel, but don't insult people that don't feel that way.

 

Yet bankers, who make about 1/3 of what Ivey makes, manage to make ends meet while buying suits.

 

Bankers that are taxed considerably less, have less expenses, and can shop off the rack.

 

Yes, because guys after a year or two of college (where they received a free ride) OFTEN have big expenses. Yup.

 

You DO know that the families of first year NBA players average around 18k per year in their incomes right? They have families, mothers and fathers, living in the neighborhoods and homes that 18k per year can afford. Along with the debt that trying to raise kids off that will bring. Yes, a NBA player has ALOT of expenses in his first year. House, paying off debts, furnishing said house, living on the road cost money. Tossing on a additonal 20k bill when they don't get all their money at once is going to hurt.

 

That gets filed under "tough shit".

 

Go to Men's Wearhouse where you can get 2 suits for the price you pay for one ugly-as-shit throwback.

 

THEY ARE 6'5" + 200lb + men. You ain't buying off the rack unless you are a point guard.

 

 

Good. Let it. The NBA has every right to say "You won't make US look bad because you don't know how adults in the real world dress". They let this slide for WAY too long.

 

Except they are dressed the way people in the real world are dressed. If a NBA player wasn't tall you couldn't pick him out a crowd. Pick another argument.

 

I don't see NFL players dressed like thugs. Ditto MLB players.

 

Mike, you don't know what a thug looks like. You know what wardrobe dresses them like on Law and Order so cut the crap. Most NFL and MLB players wouldn'y pass the NBA's dress code. God knows that THUG Brett Farve needs to stop thuggin it. And man, that Marino and Montana, they sure were some thuged out thugs back in their day. That thug ass Chipper Jones just needs to be thrown in jail. They AREN'T WEARING SUITS FOR CHRIST SAKE. THEY AREN'T REPRESENTING THE REAL WORLD!!!

 

[And there will be people who proclaim racism in the sheer concept that a professional image is something to be desired. They, too, are fucking idiots.

 

Okay, then there are alot of stupid people.

 

You mean besides the fact that the FANS DON'T REPRESENT THE LEAGUE AND AREN'T EMPLOYED BY THE LEAGUE?

 

Aren't they supposed to be connecting with the fans since they, you know, keep the league running and all? If you are trying to say "wearing a sports jersey while not on the court is sloppy looking" you don't see how that is quite hyporcitical to SELL the exact thing they are telling the players NOT to wear? Thats like Coke having a company policy that says you can't drink soda because its unhealthy.

 

Yes, that is EXACTLY what they're saying. You NAILED them.

 

Of course, those same fans have to dress like adults in their everyday real life.

 

'Bout damned time the NBA made their players do the same

 

You don't have the slightest idea what those fans dress like in their real lives. And once again...the whole ADULT thing. They are dressed like adults. They just don't dress like you, who I believe you once described your style of dress Foley like(it could have been Frigid whatshis face so I apologize in advanced if it was).

 

Really stupid policy sez I. The NBA is now home of the dumbest age limit policy and the dumbest dress code policy in American sports. Way to go Commish.

Hmm, sagging ratings. Sagging attendance. Yup, no need to fix anything.

 

David Stern took over the league and had this bold idea to start marketing individual stars instead of entire teams. THAT is the NUMBER ONE knock on the NBA today. not what the guy wore to the arena, not what he is wearing while hurt, not what he is wearing when he is on the plane, its the fact that the leauge turned into a one on one game because the kids that came up watching Sterns league believed that the individual was greater than the team...just like Stern marketed it. So when the old league stars retired (Bird, Jordan, Magic) people didn't tune in anymore. The ratings are sagging because Stern fucked the league up. And putting people in a suit isn't going to change what he did to the NBA.

[Guest]

I find it wrong to suggest that wearing anything but a suit is a "bad image to the youth".  If you (YOU particuarly) want to run from every non white not wearing a suit because they are thuggish and threatning, then fine, but to present that as a valid line of thinking for the rest of society to live by is ridiculous and it helps to keep purely incorrect stereotypes alive and well.

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Not a suit, just to look presentable. A dress shirt and slacks, not some huge ass white T and baggy pants.

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So what's to stop a player from wearing a huge baggy dress shirt and dress pants 4 sizes too large?

 

Also, I'd like to see a player challenge the "no gold chains" part in court by wearing a cross and then accusing the NBA of religious discrimination.

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Sleep is calling, but if they want to wear their baggy dress shirt and baggy dress pants, they can go right ahead. Middle America sees wearing a white T and baggy ass jeans as "gangbanger clothes". These same families aren't going to take their kids to go watch "gangbangers" play basketball.

[Ripper 0]

which goes back to me saying this is a stupid policy. that is a dumb line of thought, held by dumb people, so how can this be anything but dumb if it is made to appease them?

[Guest]

Stern has to appeal to middle America. That's where the ratings and fan attendance come from. I'm in favor of the dress code (obviously) but that's why it was instituted.

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

Also, if Mark Cuban wants the players representing him and his team to dress casually, who is David Stern to say otherwise? He doesn't pay their salaries, Mark Cuban does. The Dallas Mavericks, not the NBA, are the employer of those players.

 

Personally, I'm waiting for the first player to get a custom-designed dress shirt that is form fitting, with stencil-on gold chains around the neck and tattoos on the arms.

[Dangerous A 0]

I don't see NFL players dressed like thugs. Ditto MLB players.

 

 

You know Mike, I was with you on a lot of your arguments about the dress code, but not here. I've seen just as many MLB and especially NFL players dressed just like NBA players do. I am not sure if you just choose to see all NBA players a certain way, but don't sit here and lie and say that MLB and NFL players don't dress the same way because you will see the same doo rags, gold and/or platinum chains, and sunglasses and headphones that you do in the NBA. Your bias against basketball really shines out in this particular statement.