I'm sorry, but this warrants some discussion

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If everyone in the audience turned there back on Hassan, they would just have him come out next week and say they turned there back because the audience is racist and he isnt getting his fair shake. Which would leave management to think that he over as a heel, and give themselves a pat on the back.

 

So you whining and bitching will change nothing.

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My turning my back on the angle is my own personal protest towards the entire Hassan debacle. I never said "Smarks, join me and do what I am doing." I choose not to spew off "USA" chants or join in. Again, that's just me. I never said I am going to change the way this is being handled. Another thing is since I don't have a media outlet to vent my displeasure through, I do it here in these forums while at the same time trying to stimulate some convo. Until a mod says I am overstepping my boundaries, I will continue to do so. Am I over reacting over 3 little words Austin said? Sure, but it's the way I feel and I am voicing my opinion on how things went down monday. I love how I am supposed to just take what WWE gives me and shove it down my throat with a spoonful of sugar and just say" Thanks WWE. Thank you very much. Can I please have more!"

 

Again, I didn't have a problem with most of the segment, just the racist name calling part that slipped by. I wonder if this is more favoritism towards Austin. I mean, there'd be more people calling for blood if HBK or HHH were the ones calling Hassan and Daivari "sandpeople".

 

And RRR, what you proposed is very interesting and in a perfect world, I think it could really work. However, with WWE creative at the helm, well, these guys can't handle angles handed to them on a silver platter (Invasion, Puder deal, etc) so I think they would botch this as well.

 

Oh by the way, I bought my tickets before monday's show. Had this occured before monday, I might have considered not going. Since I already shelled out the money, I'll go. However, anything Hassan related will either get my back or me sitting in my seat in silence.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I think with race angles (like this), you either go for the fences or don't go at all. If you aren't trying to get people to rush the ring and riot, then why even bother? I'm all for evoking passion in the fans, it's what wrestling is all about. It's when the WWE half-asses it and the fans only respond with "USA" chants that it bothers me ("bother" is the closest word to describe my feeling, I don't really care that much about it to be upset). Have some goddamn balls, Vince.

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I love how I am supposed to just take what WWE gives me and shove it down my throat with a spoonful of sugar and just say" Thanks WWE. Thank you very much. Can I please have more!"

 

There isn't a person in this forum who would ask you to do that.

 

Again, I didn't have a problem with most of the segment, just the racist name calling part that slipped by. I wonder if this is more favoritism towards Austin

 

First off don't really care for Austin. Secondly "sandpeople" not exactly striaght up racism. "Sandnigger" "Towelhead" "Camel-jockey" all terms that would probably piss lots of people off. But "sandpeople" isnt exactly something I would consider to be "politically incorrect"

 

However, with WWE creative at the helm, well, these guys can't handle angles handed to them on a silver platter

 

Again, There isnt a person in this forum who would agrue with you on that.

 

Since I already shelled out the money, I'll go. However, anything Hassan related will either get my back or me sitting in my seat in silence.

 

Thats you choice, but like I said before don't expect that to mean a damn thing. You could even turn the tv off ( like I did for the Diva segment this week) that equals low ratings, which still doesnt change a fucking thing, but it is self satisfaction, which again is all you are looking for anyways.

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First off don't really care for Austin. Secondly "sandpeople" not exactly striaght up racism. "Sandnigger" "Towelhead" "Camel-jockey" all terms that would probably piss lots of people off. But "sandpeople" isnt exactly something I would consider to be "politically incorrect"

 

Well, that is where you and I differ. I do think it's overtly racist. The terms you listed do come off worse, however in context, I think sandpeople is still bad.

 

 

Thats you choice, but like I said before don't expect that to mean a damn thing. You could even turn the tv off ( like I did for the Diva segment this week) that equals low ratings, which still doesnt change a fucking thing, but it is self satisfaction, which again is all you are looking for anyways.

 

I don't know if self satisfaction is what I am looking for. What I am looking for is decent entertainment. I usually do turn off the tv during the Hassan segments, even before monday. Me tuning out won't effect ratings or change anything, but that is why I come here. To sound off i.e. bitch about what I don't like. Trust me, if I could change things, I would and not just this angle.

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Also comparing what a company did fifty and twenty years ago to what is done today is not always the right way to go.

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Even if this one is run by the same people for that entire time and has basically had evil 'they-ain't-from-here' characters for the whole duration? They had an evil man from Finland for the love of Mike, its like protesting Playboy because they showed a naked picture this month! This is not a shocking event.

[zyn081 0]

Thats you choice, but like I said before don't expect that to mean a damn thing. You could even turn the tv off ( like I did for the Diva segment this week) that equals low ratings, which still doesnt change a fucking thing, but it is self satisfaction, which again is all you are looking for anyways.

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Its a shame, because if a number of people switched their TV off then that means lower ratings, which is what Vince is out to get (i.e. the ratings). Lower ratings means slower business, means lower profits and share prices. Vince should care about ratings, but unfortunately, he couldnt care less.

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My only problem is that Austin tried to be "open-minded" and "unbiased", which was total bullshit on every level.  I don't want to see an open-minded Stone Cold, I don't want to see him fighting for justice and the american way.  I don't think anyone does.  I hate it when the WWE tries to be overtly PC (and then, of course, do something very much not PC).

 

I think an interesting way to go about this is to have the WWE go waaaaaay overboard on the racism to the point to where the fans get uncomfortable and start CHEERING for Hassan.  Like, have him get beat down so excessively bad that the once cheering fans go silent, have the wrestlers giving the beat down yell out slurs and do things that would make soliders at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo blush.  Put a few plants in the crowd to start a "Hassan" chant, have JR yell "THIS IS NOT WHAT AMERICA IS ABOUT!!", and I think you could build a face from that.  It's risky though, reeeeeally fucking risky.  You'd have to build it for a few weeks, where every week they step over the line a lil more than the week previous, until the final beat down.  You'd have to mix it up with heels and faces too, and some unlikely suspects.

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IMHO Austin symbolises the man who is alienated with life and takes matters into his own hands. This creates a person who is drunk with power and believes that he can make and take things as he wishes. He fights for himself and therefore does fight for other people, that is those people who are alienated with life as well (such as work). He wasnt open minded. Everybody knew that he was going to end up kicking Hassan ass.

 

I like your angle but it means that you will be blurring the lines. I know that wrestling should not be black and white but I feel that this would go over some people, like why are Cena and HHH beating up Hassan TOGETHER. It would also need Lawler (good grief) to be sympathetic with Hassan. I still think the best way to go was for him to state that he is an American and prove how he is being discriminated against. Not play that blasted music, wear stereotypical clothes and have Davari spout off. He should have been an avenging angle of sorts, showing that not all Arab-Americans are the same.

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What they should do is show an aftermath of a serious beatdown involving a beloved face (Cena perhaps) where he is bloodied. Then they should have someone else accuse the Arab-Americans of being the ones to do it, because we can't trust "those sand people!" Hassan and Daivari could deny it til they were blue in the face, adding on, "See? This is what I mean, people just don't trust us because we're Arab-Americans!" It'd lead to the attacker coming out and revealing himself to be the true villain. This would send the fans into a shock and make themselves feel bad for suspecting the Arab-Americans in the first place. Not that WWE would actually do it.

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What they should do is show an aftermath of a serious beatdown involving a beloved face (Cena perhaps) where he is bloodied. Then they should have someone else accuse the Arab-Americans of being the ones to do it, because we can't trust "those sand people!" Hassan and Daivari could deny it til they were blue in the face, adding on, "See? This is what I mean, people just don't trust us because we're Arab-Americans!" It'd lead to the attacker coming out and revealing himself to be the true villain. This would send the fans into a shock and make themselves feel bad for suspecting the Arab-Americans in the first place. Not that WWE would actually do it.

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Ahh, the good old HHH-HBK angle prior SummerSlam.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

There's a difference. HHH ACTUALLY did it. This angle, Hassan wouldn't have been the one to do it.

[zyn081 0]

There's a difference. HHH ACTUALLY did it. This angle, Hassan wouldn't have been the one to do it.

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Yes, I see your point. Not much different though, since your inverting the roles and the angle itself, ending back up in square 1.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

the flaw in that formula is that Austin would eventually come back and get revenge...maybe not through a match, but he'd lay an equal beating on whoever did it...

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Not if he isn't booked to? I mean, Austin, I think, is willing to effecively job for the right guy at this point in his career as long as it doesn't hurt him anymore and provided that it actually means something in the long run. Foley's series with HHH is still mentioned all the time today when they want to put him over through the announcers or a promo, and I think provided it was one of those grand exits to the right player he'd do it.

 

Undertaker, no. Not unless it was the third match in a feud where UT was first DQed, then got screwed over because of the other guy's cheating, or something stupid like that.

 

And HHH? Hehe, he wants to be Flair 2.0, which means he'll be eating up TV time until he's 62.

[zyn081 0]

the flaw in that formula is that Austin would eventually come back and get revenge...maybe not through a match, but he'd lay an equal beating on whoever did it...

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Not if he isn't booked to? I mean, Austin, I think, is willing to effecively job for the right guy at this point in his career as long as it doesn't hurt him anymore and provided that it actually means something in the long run. Foley's series with HHH is still mentioned all the time today when they want to put him over through the announcers or a promo, and I think provided it was one of those grand exits to the right player he'd do it.

 

Undertaker, no. Not unless it was the third match in a feud where UT was first DQed, then got screwed over because of the other guy's cheating, or something stupid like that.

 

And HHH? Hehe, he wants to be Flair 2.0, which means he'll be eating up TV time until he's 62.

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Think you meant to quote me there. These 3 wrestlers are so obsessed with their spot, that if they lose a match, the finish has to be over booked, unclean and the series of match dragged out. The Rock on the other hand used to put people over very quickly. The Hurricane anyone or Jericho? Austin and HHH have never put these two people over. Hell, UT didnt even put Cena or Brock over. :S

[Dangerous A 0]

Actually, Taker did put Brock over in their HITC match. Taker lost clean and bled a gusher. Then WWE botched it all by having Big Show beat Brock the next month.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Yeah, for no real reason too. Pretty much fucked up the big plans for Angle/Brock right then and there.

[zyn081 0]

Actually, Taker did put Brock over in their HITC match. Taker lost clean and bled a gusher. Then WWE botched it all by having Big Show beat Brock the next month.

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Agreed. But UT was portrayed as being weak the entire month, with his hand being broken and the victim of several attacks. Id say its the cleanest youd get with the UT. But the community knew that he was injured before going into the match and had to spend some time of TV, so we knew he wouldnt win it. I remember the hand playing a large part in that match.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Think you meant to quote me there. These 3 wrestlers are so obsessed with their spot, that if they lose a match, the finish has to be over booked, unclean and the series of match dragged out. The Rock on the other hand used to put people over very quickly. The Hurricane anyone or Jericho? Austin and HHH have never put these two people over. Hell, UT didnt even put Cena or Brock over. :S

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Well, I guess the question then is whether Austin really thinks he stands to make any kind of a comeback in the ring. If the pain is too overwhelming to think about a regular road schedule again, then he might as well go out on his back and enjoy retirement as a legend. Much better wrestlers have done so.

[zyn081 0]

Think you meant to quote me there. These 3 wrestlers are so obsessed with their spot, that if they lose a match, the finish has to be over booked, unclean and the series of match dragged out. The Rock on the other hand used to put people over very quickly. The Hurricane anyone or Jericho? Austin and HHH have never put these two people over. Hell, UT didnt even put Cena or Brock over. :S

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Well, I guess the question then is whether Austin really thinks he stands to make any kind of a comeback in the ring. If the pain is too overwhelming to think about a regular road schedule again, then he might as well go out on his back and enjoy retirement as a legend. Much better wrestlers have done so.

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Exactly, I think its time to ride off into the sunset Austin.

[Guest You'veGotNOCHANCE]

This thread is pathetic. You know why WWE isn't as good as it was back in the Attitude era? Because the fans are such politically correct candy-asses now they can't even handle a race joke. And that's the bottom line, because Stone Cold said so. *Stunners the thread starter and pours beer over face.*

[Toshiaki Koala 0]

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I also was shocked by the comment. If this was 1999, the media would be all over this.

 

The reason why they couldn't make it a tweener character is that the majority of the American live audience will automatically boo anyone who represents any kind of nationality other then the USA. and the fans are also quick to accept any stereotype (like how Itailan gimmick wrestlers gets wheres my pizza chants)  It's been imbued in their minds for years, as wrestling has been doing the evil foreigner gimmick for over 50 years now, all the way back to wwII era w/evil German gimmicks. 

 

My guess is Vince looked at Magnus and thought "hey he looks like an A-rab, lets gimmick him up".

 

Being half-Italian, I feel sorry for Mark, but it's not like he turned it down, and would you blame him? WWE offered him a spot on RAW almost every week, a feud with Hulk Hogan, and an in ring segment with Stone Cold. 

 

Just as Slaughter was willing to go along with the turncoat angle in 90, Hassan had no problem selling his soul for some cash and fame.

 

And as the years go by we find more reasons to dislike Steve Austin, who at one time had everyone in the palm of his hands, but flushed it away with his primadonna attitude and alleged wife-beating ways.

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Oh my god, shut the fuck up. This is WRESTLING. There have been racist angles for god knows how long. Nobody should be offended by this shit. Watch Dawson's Creek if you're going to piss your pants over something stupid like this.