tekcop 0 Report post Posted June 16, 2005 I was just going through my little bit of webspace I use to upload pictures and things and I found this. It's pretty old. Probably three or four years, but I'm sure most of you haven't read it. It's mostly an explination of why Japanese manga isn't better than American comics. The writer's a pretty big name in the independant comic scene and she makes a lot of good points. ---------- Not Turning Japanese by Colleen Doran I returned recently from a trip to Japan where I was the guest of Tezuka Productions. The studio chose several American creators to attend a symposium on cartoon art and among those chosen were Jeff Smith (Bone) and Jules Ffeifer (winner of the Pulitzer Prize for cartooning). I learned a lot about the Japanese comic industry and I've come to some conclusions about the American comic industry that I think will be of interest to you. No one is a bigger fan of Japanese comics than I am. In fact, I think I was the only American cartoonist there who actually knew anything about Japanese comics. I've been a fan since 1984 when MAD magazine cartoonist Leslie Sternbergh sold me a slew of her collection and walked me over to the Kinokuniya bookshop in New York where I subsequently blew a wad of dough on countless books I could not read. I admired the storytelling skills of the Japanese artists, their inking techniques, their use of line, those dazzling backgrounds! Then I learned that Japanese artists hcing up to 500 pages per month abounded. Wow! Those Japanese artists must really be something! Who hasn't marvelled at the dazzling detail in books like Akira ? We now even have a name for all those little speed lines--Akira lines--that take many hours of tedious dedication to draw. I walked around for years thinking the Japanese must be inherently superior, harder working, more dedicated. I would spend up to 120 hours working in a single week trying to duplicate their superhuman feats of production, and all I could muster was a whopping 60 pages in one month, and that achieved at the cost of my health and sanity! I was so wasted after almost 72 straight hours at the drawing board that I had to crawl across the floor to get to the bathroom where I promptly heaved up all the caffeine and sugar I had been consuming to stay awake. Even one of my ex-editors fancied herself quite the expert on Japanese comics berated me endlessly for not being able to work and produce as well as those dazzling Japanese creators. If cartoonist Yasuko Aoike could produce 100 pages a month, why couldn't I? I must be lazy or stupid. "Look at all that background detail!" she admonished. "Why can't you draw like that?" I tried. Believe me I tried. I spent endless hours learning how to render and ink in those styles and I came to the conclusion that I simply didn't have what it takes. I learned a lot from studying the work of the Japanese but I also learned that I don't want to draw like they do and I don't want to kill myself drawing 100 pages per month. The Japanese are just tougher, more dedicated, more hardworking, more talented, right? Wrong. After actually travelling to Japan and getting a close up look at the publishing industry, the creators and their techniques I have come to one inescapable conclusion: American cartoonists can't draw 100 pages every month, and Japanese cartoonists don't draw 100 pages a month either! "But, how can this be?" you may ask. Those animation and manga magazines go on at great length about how hardworking those Japanese creators are with their dazzling production feats and their amazing creations. Are they lying, stretching the truth, pulling our yankee leg? Well, they are certainly leaving a lot out, and here's some of what they aren't saying. First and foremost, don't think for a minute that Japanese creators are drawing all that work themselves. It just doesn't happen. The average cartoonist in Japan has about five assistants. Katsuhiro Otomo (of Akira fame) has ten, I am told, and it is the assistants who spend many long hours drawing all that tedious background detail and doing all that rendering, not the principal creator. Assistants are very specialized and may perform only one task. One artist may draw only buildings, while another may specialize in cars and trucks. Still another will draw weapons and another designs space ships and technical work. Others may do no more than lay down tone sheets (plastic film preprinted with images) and get coffee. Most artists also have a manager and an editor, both of whom may be expected to get down and dirty and pitch in on a tight deadline. Some artists draw nothing but the main figures, and others may do no more than layouts. Rendering is done by assistants, but only the principal creator gets any credit. There have been a number of scandals involving creators who have done little or no work on which their names have appeared. One artist that I asked be invited to a symposium was snubbed because she had been involved in a such scandal in which it appeared that her team of assistants had created an entire series on which the "name" artist got all credit. The assistants sued and won rights to the book. Speaking with some of the Japanese creators was kind of a hoot. They seemed to enjoy ratting on each other about which artists don't pull their own weight. "That woman", said a rival artist pointing out a venerated creator, "draws nothing but the eyes." While it is not uncommon for American artists to use assistants, the extent to which uncredited assistants are employed in America is not as common in Japan. American artists who take credit for the work of others as their own are not well regarded by their peers and do not command respect from the fans. The entire American creative team gets credit for their contribution, as a rule. Listings for writer, penciler, inker, colorist and letterer are routine. In Japan, only one person on that list usually gets any credit at all. Though paintings, lettering, inking, and even writing may not actually be done by the person whose name appears on the book, the "name" creator walks away with all the glory. It's not one person who is doing 100 pages a month. In actuality, it's at least five people producing 100 pages a month. According to Fred Schodt author of Manga, Manga: The World of Japanese Comics and Dreamland Japan , at least one artist had about twenty five assistants, including a manager and six or seven ghostwriters! Also, and this may sound like a trivial thing, original art in Japan is about 30% smaller than American comic art. I started working at Japanese comic size a year ago, and my work output increased immediately a corresponding 30%! Most astonishing to me, was the wide variety of tone sheets available to Japanese creators, none of which are available to their American counterparts. On my book, A Distant Soil I have used tone sheets (usually known by the brand name zip-a-tone) to give ethnic characters dark skin. The sheets are thin, plastic film with an adhesive backing. I cut out the shape and place it on my original art and the sheet produces a grey area that can darken skin or make a gloomy alley gloomier. However, in Japan, you aren't stuck with mere sheets of dots limiting you to varying shades of grey. Oh, no. You can buy sheets with every conceivable background, every special effect, every detail you could possibly imagine. You can get city scapes from every angle, rendered in different light and in different values. You get schoolrooms and schoolbuildings inside and out. Dozens of different seashores, skylines, mountainscapes, forests -- every background you can conceive of has probably already been produced and is available, ready made. Ready made airbrush techniques are available. The moon and Earth in all their phases, as well as the sun and stars with dozens of shots per sheet can be had at only about $3.50 each. Dazzling cloud banks, countless shots of the sun shining through clouds and even flowers, trees and grass are to be had, all predrawn for your convenience. Of course there are countless sheets for rendering. Difficult hatching techniques which take many long hours by hand are no problem for the Japanese artist who need merely buy a sheet, peel it off and place it on their finished art. You can even buy sheets to simulate tweed and paisley and silk to duplicate the weave and print on clothes. One catalogue I picked up contained over 250 pages of these sheets. And yes, America, you can even buy those tedious Akira lines! My brain nearly exploded when I saw that you can also buy--no joke--cartoon characters in different poses. You can make a comic without ever having to draw anything! And this is all well known in Japan. I found these sheets for sale in comic shops and stationery shops! Frankly, I was annoyed, and not just because an ignorant editor some years ago got up my nose about not being able to meet Japanese production standards. I was also annoyed because some of the Japanese creators quite arrogantly proclaimed their American counterparts lazy complainers! If we couldn't produce 100 pages a month like they could, it must be because we Americans do nothing but sit around, drink beer and eat bon bons! Imagine my surprise when, after getting an earful of this, I walked into a comic book shop and bought nearly 100 of these sheets! At dinner the next day I held them up before the eyes of Jeff Smith, Denys Cowan and Jules Ffeifer. "Look at this! Can you believe this!!!" I was absolutely furious! I thought Jeff Smith's eyes were going to pop out of his head. We couldn't believe that we had just gotten a bellyful of insults and arrogance and were now learning the amazing secret of manga production! One of the editors of Shueisha Publishing, one of Japan's three largest companies, was rather scornful when informed that many American creators like myself can only produce about 30 pages of finished art per month, on average. However, I made sure I also informed him that there was not only a different standard regarding comic art in America. Most American comic art is more realistic and detailed than Japanese cartoon art. Frankly, most of the manga I saw was pretty awful. Production standards are very low and the art is usually simple and sketchy, looking more like the kind of work one might expect to see in bad small press 'zines produced on a photocopy machine. The kind of fabulously detailed work we're accustomed to seeing in books like Akira is the exception, not the rule. The bad stuff never gets across the Pacific Ocean and there is a lot of very bad stuff, even as there is a lot of bad stuff in America. But even the Japanese agree--the art and production standards in America are significantly higher than in Japan. Also, I informed this editor of something he never considered--I actually draw all my own work. Though I did employ an assistant, briefly, some ten years ago, I was dissatisfied with the results especially when I found out the assistant was farming his work out to, well, more assistants. I ended up redoing most of the drawing later. However, I picked up the latest issue of A Distant Soil and flipped through the pages. "Every line in this book is mine", I said. "I even do my own lettering." The editor looked at me as if I had dropped down from another planet. "Don't you have assistants?" he asked. I do use assistants today, but they don't draw anything. They lay down tone sheets, and fill in black spots. I still do all the drawing. In fact, I've been annoyed lately as I've received letters from fans complimenting my assistants on the background work and costume detail--work they don't do! "Why," asked the editor, "don't you get a computer to do your lettering for you?" Almost all lettering in Japan is done on computer. I informed him that I felt hand lettering better complimented the idiosyncracies of original art than did computer lettering. I went on to say, "American fans expect the artist to do the work they say they do. If they find out you have an assistant doing your work for you and you don't say so, you will lose respect." The editor went dead white and we did not discuss the superiority of Japanese cartoonists any more. Osamu Tezuka, the founder of Tezuka studios is legendary for having produced some 500 pages in one month. But he didn't do it alone. Tezuka and a team of ten assistants produced 500 pages in one month. It is said that Tezuka reserved all the primary creative work for himself and did the story and layouts for all those 500 pages himself, which is a significant accomplishment. However, there is a major difference between doing 500 pages alone and doing 500 pages with ten other people. It boils down to about 45 pages per person. Well shoot. I've done that ! I do respect and admire many of the Japanese creators and I learned a great deal from my trip. Most significantly, I learned that our industries are simply too different to compare equitably. A Japanese creator who is required to churn out 100 or more pages of work with his creative team can never expect to be able to produce a book with art as dazzling as that of Alex Ross on Kingdom Come. In fact, Japanese creators don't get royalties on their monthly/weekly comics. They work for page rate only and get royalties only on graphic novel collections. Page rates for major publishers in Japan are not always as favorable as U.S. page rates. Tokyo is an incredibly expensive city, the most expensive in the world, and most artists are required to live in or near Tokyo. So they must produce huge volumes of work to make a decent living, especially if their work is not being reprinted in graphic novel format! American artists may live anywhere they like, so the page rate on a single monthly book from a major publisher can provide a comfortable living for most creators. Of course, in Japan, the page rate is a flat rate. Their is no division of labor payment, no separate rates for writing, inking, or lettering. If you get $100 per page, that is what you split with your assistants. If you only produce 40 pages per month, you won't make enough money to afford even a small apartment in a bad Tokyo neighborhood! There are many wonderful things going on in Japan and everyone in America envies the huge sales figures of Japanese comics. But the presumption on the part of the Japanese publishers that Japanese comics sell better because they are better is simply false. There are many reasons why the Japanese and American industries developed so differently. First and foremost, in 1950's America, we had some yahoo named Frederick Wertham who decided that comic books were evil things that turned kids into juvenile delinquents. He wrote an idiot book called Seduction of the Innocent that boondoggled millions of Americans into believing that comics were turning their darling tots into the spawn of the pit of hell (or at least motorcycle riding shoplifters). So Congress called meetings, moms and dads all over America burned comics in bonfires, we got the ludicrous comics code, and thousands of stores stopped selling comic books. Kids started turning on to a much more wholesome form of entertainment--can you guess what that is? That's right! Television! What was happening in 1950's Japan? It was after World War II and the place was bombed to rubble. There were no televisions. Few could afford any form of entertainment. So, what did they do? They read comic books. Many Japanese couldn't even afford to buy comic books, so they rented them. In 1956 Japan, there were over 30,000 comic book rental shops, more than ten times the number of comic book retail shops in America today. So while generations of American kids were being plugged into the idiot tube as their primary form of entertainment, generations of Japanese were turning to comic books for their jollies. One Japanese critic declared that the Japanese cartoonists had also faced censorship, but by no means did the Japanese comic industry face anything like the scope of the 1950's censorship spawned by Seduction of the Innocent. Japanese comics that have come under protest generally contain explicit sexual or violent content. American comics intended for children like Batman and Wonder Woman were attacked because Freudian psychologist Wertham believed that there was that--well--Freudian sexual content floating around. Mind you, there wasn't actually any sex going on, he just thought little kids might see sex if they looked hard enough. He thought Batman and Robin were gay and Wonder Woman was a lesbian, as if eight year olds in 1956 had a clue what that meant. A major, major difference between the American and Japanese market is the fact that comics in Japan are considered a medium, capable of conveying many different types of stories for many different types of consumers, while comics in America were considered toys for children and all comics had to be safe for five year olds. The restrictions of the Comics Code Authority simply never happened in Japan. Censorship in Japan has been restricted to material with extremely explicit content, not to all comics of every kind. Moreover, for many years, American comics could not be distributed unless they carried the Comics Code approval stamp. If an American comic wasn't appropriate for a small child, you simply couldn't buy it in your local store. Comic books are mass medium entertainment. In Japan, there are masses of masses of people, over half the population of the United States crowded onto an island no bigger than California. It is so crowded, a few times I nearly hyperventilated just looking around at the mob. That mob, those millions upon millions of folks use mass transit (clean, safe, nice smelling mass transit--if only it were so in New York!) every single day and every single day, those galloping hoards of salarymen pass legions of kiosks, and newsstands overflowing with comics, comics and more comics. They're everywhere. Exposure to comics is constant, relentless. Nowhere in Japan can you go more than a few yards without some kind of exposure to comics or animation, either in merchandising or advertising or Hello Kitty wear. Who am I to resist? I now have a Hello Kitty keychain. Even in the oh-so-fashionable-oh-so-filthy-rich Ginza district, you'll find dazzling jeweled handbags made in the shape of Astro Boy's head. Try finding comics in a New York subway, or at a Washington bus station. They're just not there. But in the miles and miles of underground shops below Tokyo, commuters can grab their weekly comics fix at one end of their route, read 'em on the train (it only takes about a half hour to read a 300 page Japanese comic magazine: the stories are rather thin), and toss the intended-to-be-disposable comic printed on intentionally atrocious newsprint in the recycling bin at the other end of one's route while on the way to work or school. Japan has a virtually captive audience of habitual comic book buyers who pass by the places comics are purchased in hoards of millions every single day. In America, comics aren't a habit, they're a commitment. They're expensive compared to their Japanese counterparts costing almost as much for twenty pages of art and story as for 200 pages of a Japanese comic. You get better paper and production values for your money and you can always sell your American comic later, but it can be an expensive hobby. America, with twice the population of Japan, has only a fraction of a percent of the number of outlets to purchase comics. Their are more places to purchase comics in Tokyo alone than in all of the United States. I am told there is only one comic book shop in all of Wyoming. Comics is a mass market medium. In America, where the masses are, the comics aren't. Compared to the masses in Japan, America doesn't have a mass population at all. My home state of Virginia has a population that is only about one-third that of the city of Tokyo alone. To achieve the kinds of sales publishers enjoy in Japan, American publishers would have to duplicate the conditions that exist in Japan and I don't believe that can be done! The vast majority of the United States is still rural. I grew up in a town with only 900 people. You not only can't buy any comics there, until recently, you couldn't even buy a TV Guide. Back in the good old days of comics, kids all over America could buy their favorites in local groceries and small shops, independently owned markets which no longer exist having been driven under by chain grocery stores, most of which won't sell comics. As a matter of fact, it was the low price of the old comic books which no longer made them desirable to retailers. A retailer has a certain amount of space in his store and that space must earn so much money per square foot to be profitable. When comic books were only pennies a copy, and when that price remained low for decades, retailers could not move enough volume to make the comic books pay. Candy bars, quickly consumed by the customer and consuming very little space on the rack while costing as much or more than the average comic, were far more profitable. Ironically, lower sales on comics helped drive the price up and made comics more desirable for retailers to carry again. However, the higher prices decrease the overall volume of sale, making comic books less desirable as a retail item all over again. Catch 22. I went to Japan expecting to learn the secrets of the Japanese comic market, lessons I could then employ here in America. What I learned is that there are many things that make comics sell in Japan and not all of those things are possible to duplicate in America. Nor would I want to. While I'd love to be able to be as rich as some of those Japanese artists, I didn't get in to comics to have a team of people to do my work for me. I'd rather do it myself. I think American fans appreciate the skill of the artist. When computer graphics or other methods are employed to enhance the work, the artist is less impressive to me, and to most fans, I think. And while the Japanese artists have the fame and money most Americans would envy, my standard of living is much higher than even that of wealthy Japanese in super-expensive Japan. Also, I was surprised to learn that the level of creative freedom many American cartoonists enjoy is rather rare in Japan. Editors exhort a great deal of control over much of the work and lives of even successful cartoonists. Artists who miss deadline must endure the "canning" process, a ritual where the creator and his assistants are locked into a room and held there until they finish the job; no matter how long that may take! Some artists were very interested in speaking to Jeff Smith and I about self publishing! I remain a great fan and admirer of Japanese comics and I respect the accomplishments of their industry, but I no longer see that industry through rose-colored glasses. My new perspective enables me to find much to admire about manga while still respecting and admiring much of what we have accomplished in America. Most importantly, I realize that our industries are just too different, and that manga and comics are different mediums with different standards and practices. The Japanese have not mastered comics they have mastered mass production. The language of manga and the language of Western comics are merging and I hope that if I have another opportunity to meet and discuss our unique mediums again with my Japanese counterparts, the dialogue will be more about our art and less about who sells more and does more. I am not interested in a-uh-big sword contest. Boys, get a clue. It's not the sword, it's the swordsman. To reply to Colleen Doran's EGO editorial, email her at [email protected] Copyright 1997 Gareb Shamus Enterprises, Inc. -------------------------------------------------------- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masked Man of Mystery 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2005 Thanks for pulling that up, I didn't know much anything about that before reading that. Koshi Rikdo is the only manga author I've ever seen really mention his assistants, now that I think of it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlwaysPissedOff 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2005 Man, if this was posted on one of the millions of anime/manga boards floating around the net, they'd probably call for her head... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tekcop 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2005 I posted it at the GameFAQS forums once. It didn't go over too well. I wonder how many hateful email she got because of me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ced 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2005 It's a nice, informative piece. I don't understand why the article wouldn't go over very well with some people. Just the facts, really. If I had the artistic weapons the Japanese have, I could churn out some impressive stuff and I have sub-par drawing talent. Koshi Rikdo is the only manga author I've ever seen really mention his assistants, now that I think of it <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Gosho Aoyama of Detective Conan fame also mentions his assistants at the end of each graphic novel in the same manner that Rikdo does. He even lets each of them have a 4-panel comic strip. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Special K 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2005 Exactly. It's all about the writing, and if you've been reading manga for long enough, you can rocognize certain backgrounds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toshiaki Koala 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2005 Jules Ffeifer is a fucking schmuck. My dad met him once and told him where he lived, to which Ffeifer responded, "Oh, I take my dog down there to shit sometimes." His artwork is really ugly, too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Golgo 13 0 Report post Posted June 19, 2005 It's a nice, informative piece. I don't understand why the article wouldn't go over very well with some people. Just the facts, really. It doesn't help that there's a contingent of manga and anime fans out there that are completely fucking mental and take it personally when someone criticizes whatever they like. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ced 0 Report post Posted June 19, 2005 It's a nice, informative piece. I don't understand why the article wouldn't go over very well with some people. Just the facts, really. It doesn't help that there's a contingent of manga and anime fans out there that are completely fucking mental and take it personally when someone criticizes whatever they like. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You can say that with just about anything interest though. But, yeah, there is that group that just can't take the joke while watching Perfect Hair Forever. There's a reason I don't frequent the [adult swim] board anymore. Well actually it's because practically everybody there is either a) there in an attempt to get a bump on TV, b) a troll, or c) stupid. Possibly all of the above, I don't know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jingus 0 Report post Posted June 19, 2005 Fascinating writeup. I've sometimes wondered why a lot of manga books tend to look so much alike, and now I know. Oh, and any manga fans who get upset after reading this are fucking crybabies who'd rather stick their heads in the sand ostrich-style rather than have their precious misconceptions challenged in any way. Anyone who's ever tried to make their own comic will tell you that single-handedly inking 500 finished pages per months is not humanly possible, period. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masked Man of Mystery 0 Report post Posted June 20, 2005 Actually, now that I think of it, CLAMP might be the other exception to the rule, because I think each of them does something, but heck they certainly have assistants by now, because no single human being can draw all of those lines in their newer stuff, I can't even make out what's going on in some of their action scenes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masked Man of Mystery 0 Report post Posted June 20, 2005 Or even four people, which is what I should have said, but I don't feel like editing right now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites