Guest Desperate Housewife Report post Posted June 22, 2005 Why should the WWE give TNA anything? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zyn081 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2005 Why should the WWE give TNA anything? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Just to clear things up, I said WWE should have allowed The Outlaw the right to use the name Billy Gunn, given his long years of service. IIRC, he didnt leave on a bad foot. VKM knows how important that name would be to him on the Indy circut to earn a living. Billy Gunn is not going to overthrow the WWE. It would have been nice if VKM would have let him use it. I never mentioned TNA. ...just remembered, VKM is generally not a nice guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Desperate Housewife Report post Posted June 22, 2005 Neither is Billy Bitchcakes for turning around and slagging off the company within 10 seconds of his leaving. Boo Hoo. He can't use his name. This is TNA we're talking about. The same company that buried NEW JACK because Jarrett was pissed that he used a guitar smashing gimmick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedJed 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2005 Neither is Billy Bitchcakes for turning around and slagging off the company within 10 seconds of his leaving. Boo Hoo. He can't use his name. This is TNA we're talking about. The same company that buried NEW JACK because Jarrett was pissed that he used a guitar smashing gimmick <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What did Gunn do to "slag off" the WWE upon his leaving? I tend to miss what that was... I just love how you aimlessly bash TNA on something (regarding this New Jack thing) that is neither true nor have ANYTHING to do with this thread. Keep up the good work. I think all of us are getting tired of you ripping on TNA because of the Jarrett factor when evidence keeps appearing that he's fallen way out of grace with the company. Just please stop and lets have some constructive discussion, is that too much to ask? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted June 23, 2005 Bringing this back to the initial subject matter, is anyone else surprised that the biggest Jarrett mark on the board has denounced this story has totally false? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carnival 0 Report post Posted June 23, 2005 Bringing this back to the initial subject matter, is anyone else surprised that the biggest Jarrett mark on the board has denounced this story has totally false? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I did...in my blog. I do think it's false. There is no way I'm buying it. Not unless Jarrett quits TNA in the next couple days. This is just BS news to work the smarks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest *KNK* Report post Posted June 24, 2005 So Jarrett, the biggest ego maniac in the business (even bigger then Triple H, because HHH can at least argue he had a legit run that drew and had a series of great matches, which Jarrett has been waiting 15 years to say). Just decided not to work the biggest PPV of the year just to "work the smarks? You are a incredibly dense deluded mark for a worthless sack of shit in and out of the ring. Jarrett didnt get what he wanted and like the crybaby prima donna he is, he got himself taken out of the match because in his stupid Illogical mind, he figured losing a match in which he doesnt even get pinned and not losing a title or losing any heat whatsoever would damage his credibility. TNA is clearly better off without his presence and i can't wait til he leaves and goes to Nelson's promotion and kills that one as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carnival 0 Report post Posted June 24, 2005 If that is true, than he is a worthless fuck. But i really don't see why he would pull himself off the PPV just cuz he was gonna lose a match. Why didn't he refuse the job to Styles then? It's the same thing. Obviously they had plans for Raven to be in the match, otherwise he wouldn't have won. IF this rumor is at all true, than whoever books TNA is just as bad as Jarrett for putting the title on Raven for no reason other than spite. I never said he was pulled from the match to work the smarks, I said the rumor was made to work the smarks. nobody know the real reason Jarrett wasn't in the match. Obviously TNA had other plans, it's just an excuse to throw fuel on the hating jarrett fire. But people will buy it, cuz they want to believe it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magus 0 Report post Posted June 24, 2005 This just in, bitches... The real reason JJ missed the main event... According to Various Sources (Figure Four Weekly and PWTorch Newsletters) the reason Jeff Jarrett pulled out of the Slammiversary main event is simple, he wasn’t booked to win. Jarrett was upset that he wasn't being booked by the new writing committee in TNA to win back the NWA World Title on Sunday and thought it would be “damaging to his character to not win the match after putting himself over as the "King of the Mountain" all year.” Dixie Carter apparently refused to let Jarrett get his way, so Jarrett was removed from the match and Raven was inserted into the main event. Raven was informed a few hours before the show, and apparently was very emotional, to the point that he broke down and cried. Raven realizes the history of the title and was honored to become champion. Credit: Figure Four Weekly and PWTorch Newsletters Well, I guess we can lay that arguement to rest. Fuck Jeff Jarrett and his colossal ego, but God bless Raven's twisted black heart for respecting the NWA title so much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carnival 0 Report post Posted June 24, 2005 well that doesn't prove anything. I'm starting to think it's true, but it still doesn't prove it's true. If true, Jarrett just needs to just be fired(if possible). But so does the booking committee, So they change the outcome of the title match to spite Jarrett. Both parties need to grow the fuck up here or just leave TNA. TNA has no fuckin chance of ever getting anywhere as long as the Jarrett vs Whoever feud is going on. If Jeff was really worried about the "king of the mountain" tag. Here is a quick fix, just don't call yourself that. Nobody forced him to refer to that match for a whole year after the fact. Jeff Jarrett the wrestler = A GOD Jeff Jarrett the man = sounds like he's the devil. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedJed 0 Report post Posted June 24, 2005 well that doesn't prove anything. I'm starting to think it's true, but it still doesn't prove it's true. If true, Jarrett just needs to just be fired(if possible). But so does the booking committee, So they change the outcome of the title match to spite Jarrett. Both parties need to grow the fuck up here or just leave TNA. TNA has no fuckin chance of ever getting anywhere as long as the Jarrett vs Whoever feud is going on. If Jeff was really worried about the "king of the mountain" tag. Here is a quick fix, just don't call yourself that. Nobody forced him to refer to that match for a whole year after the fact. Jeff Jarrett the wrestler = A GOD Jeff Jarrett the man = sounds like he's the devil. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> When it's coming from more reputable sources like Torch or whoever, I would say it's pretty much a given it holds merit, unless it's a complete work that everyone in the company is trying to play into the dirt sheets. Very highly doubtful though. Plus judging by how Jarrett was used at Impact tapings, and I think this is pretty much damn near fact that this was the reality of the situation. Why should the booking committee be fired if Jarrett did this? That makes no sense, hell even to spite Jarrett and give Raven the title, I dont see the problem since it's trying to "right a wrong" from over 2 years ago and it's just smart to give the guy who really drew the only real numbers in TNA's history to have a run at the belt. D'Amore and the rest of the booking crew have tremendous potential and are just trying to eliminate the people in it for themselves and in turn reward the people who deserve a push. Raven, to me, is a clear example of that. He has put up with a ton of politics, most from Jarrett, in his TNA run and yet has been a company person, never publicly being critical of the product, etc. To me, Styles as champ was a mistake anyway at this point in time - and maybe the team realized this too, and went with someone new on top. Better than the same old NWA champs in Styles or Jarrett. Neither guy helped the overall revenue of TNA as being champ. I think they need to keep Styles, for the most part, out of the world title division, and more back into X division. That's his style, plain and simple. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carnival 0 Report post Posted June 24, 2005 Jarret is a bastard for this no question. But how can you not fault the booking committee? Is "spite" a good reason to put a title on someone? Raven deserves the title no doubt, but this switch was totally to piss off Jarrett. Obviously when Jarrett was in the match, the plan wasn't for Raven to win, he wasn't even in the match. So as a last minute decision they decide Raven should be the champ. Jeff's actions caused them to seek revenge on him by putting the title on Raven. Why not go with the original plan? They are just as guilty of backstage politcs as Jeff. They may have been "righting a wrong" but they still booked the show to get back at Jarrett on a personal level. How are they not to blame? They let the personal hatred between themselves and Jarrett take over the product, it's hypocritical to say that it's ok for the committee to let personal things affect the product, but it's not ok for Jarrett. They were both wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zyn081 0 Report post Posted June 25, 2005 The real reason JJ missed the main event... Raven was informed a few hours before the show, and apparently was very emotional, to the point that he broke down and cried. Raven realizes the history of the title and was honored to become champion. Credit: Figure Four Weekly and PWTorch Newsletters Well, I guess we can lay that arguement to rest. Fuck Jeff Jarrett and his colossal ego, but God bless Raven's twisted black heart for respecting the NWA title so much. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What a true champion. Raven is without a doubt one of the greatest perfomers. well that doesn't prove anything. I'm starting to think it's true, but it still doesn't prove it's true. If true, Jarrett just needs to just be fired(if possible). But so does the booking committee, So they change the outcome of the title match to spite Jarrett. Both parties need to grow the fuck up here or just leave TNA. TNA has no fuckin chance of ever getting anywhere as long as the Jarrett vs Whoever feud is going on. If Jeff was really worried about the "king of the mountain" tag. Here is a quick fix, just don't call yourself that. Nobody forced him to refer to that match for a whole year after the fact. Jeff Jarrett the wrestler = A GOD Jeff Jarrett the man = sounds like he's the devil. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree. When somebody disobeys an order of such magnitude, it is ground for instant dismissal. If they want him in bit projects, they might as well just get rid of the disgruntled "worker". It is extrmely childish on both sides and only hurts the product, but I begrudingly admit that JJ does have a point. Now dont flame me, I am not a JJ mark, but 'they' did build the title of KotM up a lot and wasted this build (but this is not surprising, since they are always guilty of this). Hear me out below. Why should the booking committee be fired if Jarrett did this? That makes no sense, hell even to spite Jarrett and give Raven the title, I dont see the problem since it's trying to "right a wrong" from over 2 years ago and it's just smart to give the guy who really drew the only real numbers in TNA's history to have a run at the belt. D'Amore and the rest of the booking crew have tremendous potential and are just trying to eliminate the people in it for themselves and in turn reward the people who deserve a push. Raven, to me, is a clear example of that. He has put up with a ton of politics, most from Jarrett, in his TNA run and yet has been a company person, never publicly being critical of the product, etc. To me, Styles as champ was a mistake anyway at this point in time - and maybe the team realized this too, and went with someone new on top. Better than the same old NWA champs in Styles or Jarrett. Neither guy helped the overall revenue of TNA as being champ. I think they need to keep Styles, for the most part, out of the world title division, and more back into X division. That's his style, plain and simple. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The wrong of the past is just that, in the past. It was a huge mistake not to put the belt on Raven and I agree that putting it on AJ was a quick fix. This, btw, IMHO, only hurts AJ, since they are making him look like Jericho now, i.e. a 'credible' ME who cant hold the belt. I believe that JJ should have gone over AJ, but do so cheaply in a screw job manner at Hard Justice. Book the KotM of Slam hyping the anniversay crap. Make it JJ-Brown-Abyss-AJ-Sean/Hardy --> JJ as champ, Brown is owed a favour, Abyss is number 1 contender, AJ was screwed (again) and Sean/Hardy could have argued that it was their kind of match (i.e. the 'specialist'). HAVE JJ WIN. Yes, have him win. This solidifies JJ as KotM. Ravens pissed that hes suspended. JJ manages to keep Brown off his back, and NOW build the chase destiny angle and do so properly. JJ uses Sean/Hardy or whoever (a PO Killings maybe? Booby Roode in a deal with Team Canada for a Title Shot? The boy is getting attention after all), Abyss and Brown as roadblocks. Then at B4G, have JJ-Raven II. Have JJ spout off how he is THE KotM and the destroyer of Raven's hopes and dreams. After that feed JJ to Brown and remove him from the ME. This way, the end result is the same, despite delayed, but Raven and Brown at least look stronger. Jarret is a bastard for this no question. But how can you not fault the booking committee? Is "spite" a good reason to put a title on someone? Raven deserves the title no doubt, but this switch was totally to piss off Jarrett. Obviously when Jarrett was in the match, the plan wasn't for Raven to win, he wasn't even in the match. So as a last minute decision they decide Raven should be the champ. Jeff's actions caused them to seek revenge on him by putting the title on Raven. Why not go with the original plan? They are just as guilty of backstage politcs as Jeff. They may have been "righting a wrong" but they still booked the show to get back at Jarrett on a personal level. How are they not to blame? They let the personal hatred between themselves and Jarrett take over the product, it's hypocritical to say that it's ok for the committee to let personal things affect the product, but it's not ok for Jarrett. They were both wrong. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I hate to admit it but Carnivaliz is right. It was stupid. A case of cutting their noses off to spite their faces. Although, a lack of TV made have forced into this rushed decision and TNA have always been known to panic and dont normally have long term plans in place. Im used to them dropping the ball so f it, but still, such wasted potenial. This only cheapens Raven's victory Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carnival 0 Report post Posted June 25, 2005 Jarrett did have a point, he had to protect his character, but it's not that big of a point to justify him winning the title back so soon. Thank you zyn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zyn081 0 Report post Posted June 25, 2005 Jarrett did have a point, he had to protect his character, but it's not that big of a point to justify him winning the title back so soon. Thank you zyn <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Lets get 1 thing straight. I am a Raven mark, not a JJ mark, but most of all im a wrestling fan and love the business. Carnivaliz is right, despite him apparently misunderstanding my previous post. To summarise for everybody: JJ SHOULD NOT HAVE DROPPED THE TITLE AT HJ, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE AT BOUND FOR GLORY TO RAVEN. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carnival 0 Report post Posted June 25, 2005 I didn't misunderstand, i just added my 2 cents. I agree JJ should not have lost at HJ. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zyn081 0 Report post Posted June 25, 2005 I didn't misunderstand, i just added my 2 cents. I agree JJ should not have lost at HJ. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thats all that matters. Its just that in your previous post you said he shouldnt have won it back so soon. I just think he shouldnt have lost in the 1st place, so there would be nothing to win back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carnival 0 Report post Posted June 25, 2005 thats all that matters. Its just that in your previous post you said he shouldnt have won it back so soon. I just think he shouldnt have lost in the 1st place, so there would be nothing to win back. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree there, i was just speaking in the present that he shouldn't win it back so soon, but i too think he shouldn't have lost it at all. I would have booked it like this. JJ d. AJ at Hard Justice via interference. Monty wins Gaunlet for the Gold. Have JJ and his goons(whoever) turn on Monty. Monty then defeats Jeff at Slamm. Then Monty can drop the belt to Raven maybe sometime in the fall or winter. TNA really fucked up w/Monty Brown. That could have been an angle that actually made sense. Like I said, When people were jacking off cuz AJ won the title, I said it was a horrible idea. Now this random switch to Raven, although it made the mark in us happy, made AJ look like a bitch, also made Abyss, Monty and Jarrett look bad. This just proves I was right all along in saying TNA will have no direction after Hard Justice. Good job booking committee. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Desperate Housewife Report post Posted June 26, 2005 Who cares about Monty now we have Samoa Joe? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2005 Paraphrasing from this weeks Observer: Early in the week, and Indy promoter who deals a lot with TNA and the belt was told Jeff was getting the belt back The feeling was that pretty much everyone, bar Jeff and Jerry, realized now was not the time for that to happen It’s considered clear that Jeff and Jerry are trying to get power back Dave doesn’t yet know for sure what exactly led to Raven getting the NWA belt AJ apparently wasn’t unhappy about dropping the NWA belt so soon, as he wanted to get back into the X-Division Dave feels the current booking committee might push X-Division to be at least on par with the World Title It was reported that Jeff didn’t take the change well, and refused to appear in the main event, and at this point is not planned to be at the next PPV One wrestler in the main event was openly talking to fans about Jeff refusing to do the match over not wanting to lose a King Of The Mountain match Jeff was trying to save face, and was telling fans it was just part of a much larger angle that will make sense Dave thinks it’s not likely to be the case, but will almost certainly be written as such once everything is sorted out Dave speculates that Raven got the nod because with having to change the main event and put Raven into it the best storyline finish was the guy getting “fired” to win, but thinks it more likely he got the belt because he was the option to go with given the circumstances, including that Monty needs to be built up first before getting the belt, and AJ is wanting in the X-Division Raven was going to return anyway, and was going to get a major babyface push, and his title win had nothing to do with the ECW nostalgia going around Also: The company isn’t strong on Jeff Hardy without Matt coming in too, which may or may not happen, and many feel Matt is WWE bound James Gibson was brought in and pitched a deal, which he hasn’t agreed to yet, but is more open to doing so lately, as WWE don’t appear to be signing him back anytime soon, which they had said they would if he would not work for TNA To save time, they did 7 1/2 hours of interview pre-tapes on the Monday before taping, with James Mitchell standing out as really impressive Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2005 In regarding TV: TNA are looking at the Velocity timeslot Spike want TNA to pay for the time, which apparently was not the case with WGN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zyn081 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2005 thats all that matters. Its just that in your previous post you said he shouldnt have won it back so soon. I just think he shouldnt have lost in the 1st place, so there would be nothing to win back. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree there, i was just speaking in the present that he shouldn't win it back so soon, but i too think he shouldn't have lost it at all. I would have booked it like this. JJ d. AJ at Hard Justice via interference. Monty wins Gaunlet for the Gold. Have JJ and his goons(whoever) turn on Monty. Monty then defeats Jeff at Slamm. Then Monty can drop the belt to Raven maybe sometime in the fall or winter. TNA really fucked up w/Monty Brown. That could have been an angle that actually made sense. Like I said, When people were jacking off cuz AJ won the title, I said it was a horrible idea. Now this random switch to Raven, although it made the mark in us happy, made AJ look like a bitch, also made Abyss, Monty and Jarrett look bad. This just proves I was right all along in saying TNA will have no direction after Hard Justice. Good job booking committee. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I would just book differently. IMHO the money match was JJ-Raven, not JJ-Brown. You have your opinion, and I have mine I agreed with KotM given its anniversary, so Brown had an excuse to be there since he was owed a favour. Abyss needed one also. AJ was screwed out of the title and Sean was the excuse to get AJ back into the X Div. The biggest ME they had on their hands was JJ-Raven, its the closet they have to a money match. Brown-JJ to headline a PPV yes, but not Bound For Glory (their big PPV). Btw, your lover is back (1T) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eirejmcmahon 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2005 Spike want TNA to pay for the time, which apparently was not the case with WGN[/b] Any word on the kind of money Spike are looking for ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2005 The biggest ME they had on their hands was JJ-Raven, its the closet they have to a money match. Brown-JJ to headline a PPV yes, but not Bound For Glory Given that Raven had basically been a jobber leading up to the PPV and that the fans had been really wanting to see Brown finally beat Jarrett, it's safe to say Brown v. JJ was a much bigger money match Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zyn081 0 Report post Posted June 26, 2005 The biggest ME they had on their hands was JJ-Raven, its the closet they have to a money match. Brown-JJ to headline a PPV yes, but not Bound For Glory Given that Raven had basically been a jobber leading up to the PPV and that the fans had been really wanting to see Brown finally beat Jarrett, it's safe to say Brown v. JJ was a much bigger money match <{POST_SNAPBACK}> At Slam yes. Not at Bound for Glory with Raven back on the destiny chase and with 4 months of build behind him. Brown-JJ could never top something like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedJed 0 Report post Posted June 27, 2005 The biggest ME they had on their hands was JJ-Raven, its the closet they have to a money match. Brown-JJ to headline a PPV yes, but not Bound For Glory Given that Raven had basically been a jobber leading up to the PPV and that the fans had been really wanting to see Brown finally beat Jarrett, it's safe to say Brown v. JJ was a much bigger money match <{POST_SNAPBACK}> At Slam yes. Not at Bound for Glory with Raven back on the destiny chase and with 4 months of build behind him. Brown-JJ could never top something like that. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> First, I dont think Raven needed to do another long drawn out title chase. It's been done, everyone knows the story who is smart to the TNA dynamic of the past few years (ie that Jarrett held down anyone from really getting pushed to the title), and he's been on a decent push ahead for some months now, so getting the title as he got it (from a storyline perspective) its fine. That promo he did on the pre-show of the ppv as well as the promo later that night made it all worthwhile much how people were clamoring that AJ HAD to win the title last month after Sahidi did that vignette with him. I would have actually been bored to death with another title chase for Raven myself and in being dark currently without cable clearance, as well as the ECW resurgence, this was actually a strong decision to make, be it to spite Jarrett or not. I guess that was my intial point I was trying to make when saying this move was not anywhere near such a bad desicion by the bookers in hindsight. I agree about Brown being treated unfairly in the past and currently. I think HE should be the long term goal to build to as champ. They certainly had their chance and the ball was dropped by Rhodes when he turned Brown back a few months ago. Ideally, following up IMMEDIATELY after Final Resolution should have been key - instead we got Jarrett v. Nash and then DDP and then came the Brown turn. Fans were most definately clamoring to give Brown the title from Jarrett and I think if brought back to the forefront with a Jarrett-Brown match for a title shot at Bound for Glory against Raven, that would work. Now TNA just has to get Jarrett-Raven 2 hopefully at the August ppv. Especially if they are planning to be in the dark until late September, they have to get Jarrett to put Raven over finally, and then force Jarrett to put over Brown in Sept to build to Brown/Raven at Bound for Glory. My whole point here is that if anything Brown is the person that needs to be used for the long term title chase. While Raven can draw in due time, Brown is the fresh talent and even though was fucked over v. Jarrett, he needs to be re-turned as a face and really booked strong for months before he gets the belt. With Jarrett falling out of grace, Styles publicly saying he wants to be back in the X division and having no problems not being NWA champion (plus he should have never got the belt again in the first place in May so I'm glad to see the bookers right a wrong here), and Brown/Abyss not quite ready for the title at this point, the only logical solution was Raven, especially considering how over the ECW resurgence is right now. Raven was going to get a large push anyway, so I dont see why some are so against what happened. If the bookers did it just to spite Jarrett and nothing more, I can see the argument but it just so happens that there are more than just that reason (to stick it to Jarrett) that Raven got the belt. Styles v. Waltman would have been shit as a main event for the NWA title, and those two as well as Lynn will now hopefully segway into the X division. Add Joe and Daniels, as well as all of the other X division regulars and the X division will be huge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zyn081 0 Report post Posted June 28, 2005 The biggest ME they had on their hands was JJ-Raven, its the closet they have to a money match. Brown-JJ to headline a PPV yes, but not Bound For Glory Given that Raven had basically been a jobber leading up to the PPV and that the fans had been really wanting to see Brown finally beat Jarrett, it's safe to say Brown v. JJ was a much bigger money match <{POST_SNAPBACK}> At Slam yes. Not at Bound for Glory with Raven back on the destiny chase and with 4 months of build behind him. Brown-JJ could never top something like that. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> First, I dont think Raven needed to do another long drawn out title chase. It's been done, everyone knows the story who is smart to the TNA dynamic of the past few years (ie that Jarrett held down anyone from really getting pushed to the title), and he's been on a decent push ahead for some months now, so getting the title as he got it (from a storyline perspective) its fine. That promo he did on the pre-show of the ppv as well as the promo later that night made it all worthwhile much how people were clamoring that AJ HAD to win the title last month after Sahidi did that vignette with him. I would have actually been bored to death with another title chase for Raven myself and in being dark currently without cable clearance, as well as the ECW resurgence, this was actually a strong decision to make, be it to spite Jarrett or not. I guess that was my intial point I was trying to make when saying this move was not anywhere near such a bad desicion by the bookers in hindsight. I agree about Brown being treated unfairly in the past and currently. I think HE should be the long term goal to build to as champ. They certainly had their chance and the ball was dropped by Rhodes when he turned Brown back a few months ago. Ideally, following up IMMEDIATELY after Final Resolution should have been key - instead we got Jarrett v. Nash and then DDP and then came the Brown turn. Fans were most definately clamoring to give Brown the title from Jarrett and I think if brought back to the forefront with a Jarrett-Brown match for a title shot at Bound for Glory against Raven, that would work. Now TNA just has to get Jarrett-Raven 2 hopefully at the August ppv. Especially if they are planning to be in the dark until late September, they have to get Jarrett to put Raven over finally, and then force Jarrett to put over Brown in Sept to build to Brown/Raven at Bound for Glory. My whole point here is that if anything Brown is the person that needs to be used for the long term title chase. While Raven can draw in due time, Brown is the fresh talent and even though was fucked over v. Jarrett, he needs to be re-turned as a face and really booked strong for months before he gets the belt. With Jarrett falling out of grace, Styles publicly saying he wants to be back in the X division and having no problems not being NWA champion (plus he should have never got the belt again in the first place in May so I'm glad to see the bookers right a wrong here), and Brown/Abyss not quite ready for the title at this point, the only logical solution was Raven, especially considering how over the ECW resurgence is right now. Raven was going to get a large push anyway, so I dont see why some are so against what happened. If the bookers did it just to spite Jarrett and nothing more, I can see the argument but it just so happens that there are more than just that reason (to stick it to Jarrett) that Raven got the belt. Styles v. Waltman would have been shit as a main event for the NWA title, and those two as well as Lynn will now hopefully segway into the X division. Add Joe and Daniels, as well as all of the other X division regulars and the X division will be huge. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Wed just book different shows. I was trying to illustrate the point in JJ's potential reasoning for not wanting to lose to AJ and the KotM match. I dont agree with people here just saying JJs an asshole and leaving it at that. All your points are valid. AJ-Sean has to be in the X Div. You have to forgive me, but I am a huge Raven mark, so I would prefer a well built up backdrop for him. It wasright and the most logical thing to do, but one cannot say that it didnt feel rushed. The TNA needs a long title reign. Brown has been damaged significantly more than Raven, hence my preference for Raven having a 4 month build, compared to a slower build for Brown. Called me old fashioned, but I prefer the 2/3 top storylines having long drawn out builds that last months. Like, I could drag out Eddie-Rey till the RR or even WMXX2. I loved the Sabu-Taz feud for this simple reason. All of this is just MHO. IMHO Joe shouldnt be in the X Div either, but in the NWA Title scene. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites