Ripper 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2005 Still, there is no way that Miller is top 10. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He was the star of one of the top 10 teams of this era. Outside of Rick Smits ( and Detlef for a quick second before that retarded trade) he was pretty much the teams offense. I mean is arguable, but a NO WAY is a little strong. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I just noticed this. Derrick McKey was one of the underrated defenders of the time, IMO. We had pretty much no perimeter defense whatsoever before he came along (and an 8 1/2 point turnaround in points allowed per game his first year). I'm not going to shit on that trade at all. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But McKey came to the Pacers and got ass raped by all of the perimeter stars in te East. He was the man in seattle because there were not as many BEAST in the West like the Dominique, Jordan, Pippen, crew out in the east. The trade looked great on paper, but the Pacers would have been better served keeping Detlef or trading him for something more. He was a freaking allstar and they got Derek Fucking McKey for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted July 2, 2005 We went over what Reggie did. I get we disagree, but your just sounding stupid now. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No, I think you're the one sounding stupid for rating Shaq #2. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yah, the stupid bastard is only the best Center in 30 years and has 3 rings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted July 2, 2005 We went over what Reggie did. I get we disagree, but your just sounding stupid now. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No, I think you're the one sounding stupid for rating Shaq #2. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yah, the stupid bastard was only the best Center in 10 years and has 3 rings. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Edited for accuracy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2005 Best center? Possibly, Best player period? No. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted July 2, 2005 Your right, he was 2nd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2005 More like 5th. Then again this is of your generation, so hey why not? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2005 Honestly, it's Kareem, Chamberlain, Shaq and maybe Bill Russell. I think Shaq is in that elite group. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2005 Is it possible for the NBA's all time leading scorer to be underrated? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2005 Is it possible for the NBA's all time leading scorer to be underrated? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quite possibly yes. I think Kareem came along just before the big three, and his prime occured in a slighly less popular era for the NBA. It is amazing when you think about it. Kareem was a great player, won multiple NBA titles, dominated collegiate ball, scored more points than any other player in NBA history, played in a huge media market, and even performed in one of the greatest comedies of all time (Airplane), yet he's overlooked when the greatest players are discussed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2005 I actually rate Malone #3. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted July 2, 2005 Malone is Top 10, but he is not higher than Shaq. Malone has no rings and all of his offence is created by Stockton. No stockton, just a good PF. No one in the history of great players has relied on one guy more than Malone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2005 Malone is Top 10, but he is not higher than Shaq. Malone has no rings and all of his offence is created by Stockton. No stockton, just a good PF. No one in the history of great players has relied on one guy more than Malone. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Since when do championships gauge a player's skill? Shaq had Kobe in Los Angeles, Dwyane Wade in Miami and Penny in Orlando. Who's to say Shaq doesn't depend on them too? Don't be stupid. Oh right you already are. Shaq is among the best centers in history, but among the top 3 in overall players? Once again I repeat, NO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted July 2, 2005 Is it possible for the NBA's all time leading scorer to be underrated? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quite possibly yes. I think Kareem came along just before the big three, and his prime occured in a slighly less popular era for the NBA. It is amazing when you think about it. Kareem was a great player, won multiple NBA titles, dominated collegiate ball, scored more points than any other player in NBA history, played in a huge media market, and even performed in one of the greatest comedies of all time (Airplane), yet he's overlooked when the greatest players are discussed. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> This is so very true. I think Kareem was overshadowed by Magic and his versatility, since Magic was able to play all 5 positions, and Kareem was the big guy in the paint.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted July 2, 2005 Malone is Top 10, but he is not higher than Shaq. Malone has no rings and all of his offence is created by Stockton. No stockton, just a good PF. No one in the history of great players has relied on one guy more than Malone. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Since when do championships gauge a player's skill? Shaq had Kobe in Los Angeles, Dwyane Wade in Miami and Penny in Orlando. Who's to say Shaq doesn't depend on them too? Don't be stupid. Oh right you already are. Shaq is among the best centers in history, but among the top 3 in overall players? Once again I repeat, NO. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Its in this generation, not overall. Also, try and stop yourslef from calling me stupid. It make you and your arguments look weak. Shaq went to three teams and won with three different coaches and systems. Penny is a MASSIVE bust without Shaq and Kobe was a failure this year without him. Malone always relied on Stock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted July 2, 2005 Malone is Top 10, but he is not higher than Shaq. Malone has no rings and all of his offence is created by Stockton. No stockton, just a good PF. No one in the history of great players has relied on one guy more than Malone. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Since when do championships gauge a player's skill? Shaq had Kobe in Los Angeles, Dwyane Wade in Miami and Penny in Orlando. Who's to say Shaq doesn't depend on them too? Don't be stupid. Oh right you already are. Shaq is among the best centers in history, but among the top 3 in overall players? Once again I repeat, NO. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Its in this generation, not overall. Also, try and stop yourslef from calling me stupid. It make you and your arguments look weak. Shaq went to three teams and won with three different coaches and systems. Penny is a MASSIVE bust without Shaq and Kobe was a failure this year without him. Malone always relied on Stock. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Penny did fall off the radar without Shaq, but Kobe still drew double-teams and was second in the league behind Iverson in scoring. The Lakers' record this year had a lot more to do with the rest of the team, injuries, and a mid-season coaching change. And you still can't argue that Wade was the force that drove the Heat to the great record they had. If the Lakers had gotten Wade, Odom, and Butler in the trade for Shaq like they initially wanted to instead of Grant, the Heat still would have made the playoffs on the virtue of playing in the weakest division of the weaker conference, but it just might have been a different story with the Lakers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2005 Malone is Top 10, but he is not higher than Shaq. Malone has no rings and all of his offence is created by Stockton. No stockton, just a good PF. No one in the history of great players has relied on one guy more than Malone. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Since when do championships gauge a player's skill? Shaq had Kobe in Los Angeles, Dwyane Wade in Miami and Penny in Orlando. Who's to say Shaq doesn't depend on them too? Don't be stupid. Oh right you already are. Shaq is among the best centers in history, but among the top 3 in overall players? Once again I repeat, NO. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Its in this generation, not overall. Also, try and stop yourslef from calling me stupid. It make you and your arguments look weak. Shaq went to three teams and won with three different coaches and systems. Penny is a MASSIVE bust without Shaq and Kobe was a failure this year without him. Malone always relied on Stock. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, my argument revolved entirely on your stupidity. I guess you're just going to conveniently ignore the actual substance of the argument. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted July 2, 2005 Yes, my argument revolved entirely on your stupidity. I guess you're just going to conveniently ignore the actual substance of the argument. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Also: Its in this generation, not overall. Also, try and stop yourslef from calling me stupid. It make you and your arguments look weak. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Heh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alfdogg 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2005 I'm sure neither of you have made typos before. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2005 In any case, both of you need to knock it off. Take it to Hardcore Discussion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted July 2, 2005 I'm sure neither of you have made typos before. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Nope, but it was certainly kind of ironic considering this was where he was defending his intelligence, that's all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rendclaw 0 Report post Posted July 3, 2005 Getting back on topic... Kareem certainly does get overlooked. He is one of the top 5 centers of all time, and the only one who didn't overlook him is Magic himself. He knew that in order to really be successful, the Lakers had to be able to get it done in the half court as well as on the break, and that usually means getting your center involved. Even though Kareem was on the downside of his career, he was still effective, and the way Magic would set him up would maximize his chances to be so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites