What constitutes a great finisher?

[zyn081]

Jerichoholic, I disagree about your DDT comment, but I agree that at this point in time it is a transition move.  Look back to Jake Roberts' and Ravens runs in WWF and ECW respectively, and the DDT was death.  But I agree that now it is nothing more than a transition move, which kinda sucks, as Im a mark for the Evenflow.

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Actually I do think the DDT is a great finisher, especially if its done well. It should be death, especially when they are dropped staright on their head liek Raven does it now.

 

right now the only death moves are really takers tombstone and trips pedigree (though I have seen more people kick out of the pedigree than takers tombstone) The RKO is close, but it couldnt beat Taker at Mania (but it was enough for JBL to beat Taker last week go figure)

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The E are portraying the Tista Bomb and FU as death at the moment.

[Corey_Lazarus]

The FU would be death...if Cena did it faster. I really think if he didn't just gingerly drop his opponent down, but just SLAMMED~!~!~!~ them down while he himself fell forward or to the side too, it'd look SICK.

 

Remember when everybody had a version of the Michinoku Driver? Yeah. That was ghey.

 

To me, a good finisher is one that just LOOKS like it could hurt you in a legitimate fight, or is hit out of nowhere. A good example of "could really hurt" would be the Tombstone, because if somebody had the strength to lift you upside down like that and just drop you on top of your head? You're down for the count. "Outta nowhere" would be, of course, the Stunner, Superkicks, Shining Wizard, Lariats, etc.

[DangerousDamon]

Remember when everybody had a version of the Michinoku Driver? Yeah. That was ghey.

 

When was this?

[zyn081]

The FU would be death...if Cena did it faster. I really think if he didn't just gingerly drop his opponent down, but just SLAMMED~!~!~!~ them down while he himself fell forward or to the side too, it'd look SICK.

 

Remember when everybody had a version of the Michinoku Driver? Yeah. That was ghey.

 

To me, a good finisher is one that just LOOKS like it could hurt you in a legitimate fight, or is hit out of nowhere. A good example of "could really hurt" would be the Tombstone, because if somebody had the strength to lift you upside down like that and just drop you on top of your head? You're down for the count. "Outta nowhere" would be, of course, the Stunner, Superkicks, Shining Wizard, Lariats, etc.

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The Tombstone is NOT death. UT's version is but Kane's is just so lame.

[cameron chaos]

Remember when everybody had a version of the Michinoku Driver? Yeah. That was ghey.

 

When was this?

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Juvi Driver, Nail In The Coffin, Michinoku Driver, Rikishi Driver, Balls Mahoney's version...

[JJ Johnson]

Hey! Rikishi's was a Fire Thunder Driver dammit!

[King Cucaracha]

Ditto Balls.

[Special K]

Heh, I think Tommy Dreamer used both. Although I stil have a bit of trouble discerning between the TFD and the Emeralf Frosion.

[Guest Rex Cutter]

I believe a finisher all depends on who sells it the first time it is introduced. There is a difference if you drop a finisher on someone like Benoit then Morgan. The selling is what makes it!

[Guest RadioBurning]

Hey! Rikishi's was a Fire Thunder Driver dammit!

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I thought it was a Michinoku Driver I.

[Guest RadioBurning]

I actually think that the 1st version of the Pedigree was ruthless. It would actually be my finisher, but Id go for the underhook, lift and then the drill aspect.

 

Sorry for not asking for you permission, but jm29195 avatar is it. I think a lift would make it THE killer move.

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When did the versions change?

[haws bah gawd]

I think the version of the Pegiree in the avatar is just a botch. From what I've always read, HHH's opponent thought he was going for a double-underhook suplex, so he jumped a little higher than he should have to complete the flip, however, HHH ended up spiking him with the stiffest Pedigree ever.

 

Up until 2000, I remember HHH always keeping his opponents arms hooked throughout the drop of the move, making it look that much sicker and stiffer. However, I think in mid 2000 (to help prevent the risk of injury) when he was doing his world title feud with the Rock, he changed the move to where he released his opponents arms in mid-jump so that they could cushion the impact.

[Ravenbomb]

Hey! Rikishi's was a Fire Thunder Driver dammit!

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I thought it was a Michinoku Driver I.

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Michinoku Driver I is a brainbuster. What's commonly called the Michinoku Driver is actually Michinoku Driver II

 

 

 

any-dang-ways, my favorite is the DDT. One could hit the move out of nowhere, but you could build up to it, too (Jake had the short-arm clothesline setup, gave the signal, and hit the DDT).

 

 

Plus I like the name. DDT. It's simple, you can chant it. I like chant-able finisher names. Like when the Dudleys hit the 3D (though that's not quite a chant)

[Art Sandusky]

I've never really been big on someone having just ONE finisher that is just the end all and be all of a match.  I think someone could have 2-3 moves that they could use to finish off an opponent, but when those moves don't work during a match, they could use a "Super" finisher that would end the match(sort of like the Burning Hammer).

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This is correct.

[Corey_Lazarus]

In, like, '98 and early '99, every indy wrestler seemed to use the Michinoku Driver. Couldn't go through a single wrestling show without seeing a variation or two of it in two separate matches.

[zyn081]

I think the version of the Pegiree in the avatar is just a botch.  From what I've always read, HHH's opponent thought he was going for a double-underhook suplex, so he jumped a little higher than he should have to complete the flip, however, HHH ended up spiking him with the stiffest Pedigree ever.

 

Up until 2000, I remember HHH always keeping his opponents arms hooked throughout the drop of the move, making it look that much sicker and stiffer.  However, I think in mid 2000 (to help prevent the risk of injury) when he was doing his world title feud with the Rock, he changed the move to where he released his opponents arms in mid-jump so that they could cushion the impact.

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It is a botch. Still looks sick though. I think the oppenent is Michaels.

 

Thats the version I was talking about, up to The Rock feud.

[Jericholic82]

I think the version of the Pegiree in the avatar is just a botch.  From what I've always read, HHH's opponent thought he was going for a double-underhook suplex, so he jumped a little higher than he should have to complete the flip, however, HHH ended up spiking him with the stiffest Pedigree ever.

 

Up until 2000, I remember HHH always keeping his opponents arms hooked throughout the drop of the move, making it look that much sicker and stiffer.  However, I think in mid 2000 (to help prevent the risk of injury) when he was doing his world title feud with the Rock, he changed the move to where he released his opponents arms in mid-jump so that they could cushion the impact.

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It is a botch. Still looks sick though. I think the oppenent is Michaels.

 

Thats the version I was talking about, up to The Rock feud.

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Nope the opponent was a jobber named Marty Garner, known in the indies as "Cham Pain" (infact he even sent in a video for tough enough once). I saw him on the montel williams show once and they showed the clip of the super pedigree, amazing he didn't break his neck.

[zyn081]

I think the version of the Pegiree in the avatar is just a botch.  From what I've always read, HHH's opponent thought he was going for a double-underhook suplex, so he jumped a little higher than he should have to complete the flip, however, HHH ended up spiking him with the stiffest Pedigree ever.

 

Up until 2000, I remember HHH always keeping his opponents arms hooked throughout the drop of the move, making it look that much sicker and stiffer.  However, I think in mid 2000 (to help prevent the risk of injury) when he was doing his world title feud with the Rock, he changed the move to where he released his opponents arms in mid-jump so that they could cushion the impact.

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It is a botch. Still looks sick though. I think the oppenent is Michaels.

 

Thats the version I was talking about, up to The Rock feud.

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Nope the opponent was a jobber named Marty Garner, known in the indies as "Cham Pain" (infact he even sent in a video for tough enough once). I saw him on the montel williams show once and they showed the clip of the super pedigree, amazing he didn't break his neck.

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Thanks. I thought it was HBK. Cant really see him cause he face never shows IIRC.

 

Now that is a death move.

[Red Baron]

I've always like a high-flying finishers because its either a victory or a miss.

[Guest Fishyswa]

I like finishers that can't be made shitty by who's taking them. You can't fuck up falling on your head or getting knocked out with a boot. Moves that actually seem like the attacker is in full control of the situation. Submissions can be like that but one goofy facial and it's over.

 

Hard piledrivers that make some sense, hard kicks, knock out stuff. Even a really good choke out. Nothing beats the Styles Clash 03! though.

[JST]

Nothing beats the Styles Clash 03! though.

 

Funny enough, I DID get to ask AJ about that.

[Guest Fishyswa]

Was it a "shit I just killed him" spot for him, or was he thinking "stupid fuck you made me kill you"?

 

That's what I always wonder when I see it. His face afterwards isn't too telling.

[JST]

What's funnier is that he casually described Kazarian having a bruised sternum and a rung bell from the whole thing. From his reaction, I'd lean more towards "Stupid fuck."

 

Even funnier: AJ asks Chris Daniels (also there that night) about the spot in particular, to which he replies he was in Japan that night. But his look definitely meant "Oh yeah. THAT."