Karc 0 Report post Posted July 21, 2005 You are aware that the WWF has no benefit, whatsoever, in downplaying the numbers of any of their shows, right? They are a public company traded on the stock market. Intentionally misreporting revenue can lead to some legal issues. Yes, but only if the stockholders find out. Which they probably won't, because WWE still deals like a private business. Remember, the stockholders in the last conference call were pretty made with how WWE was handling money. This is one example. Let's say Viewers' Choice is right, and ONS did 350,000 buys. Taken from the WWE's cliam of 270, that leaves 80,000 buys unaccounted for. Which leads to over half a million unaccounted for. Where's it going? Maybe certain people are helping themselves as rumored... And I'm not even factoring in the creative end of it. Why is the DVD one of the highest-selling ever? Why did it outdraw every WWE Samckdown show? Why did they stack the Vengeance card with only a 2-week build? Way too many questions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted July 22, 2005 Worst case scenario, it allows WWE to revise revenue projections upwards, which only helps their stock price, which is their primary concern. As for your questions --- ECW fans tend to buy anything associated with ECW. The show itself was the 2d worst PPV of the year out of the WWE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zyn081 0 Report post Posted July 24, 2005 The show itself was the 2d worst PPV of the year out of the WWE. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And in your opinion, which was the worst? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJ Johnson 0 Report post Posted July 24, 2005 If his mindset is similar to my mindset, then his pick for worst PPV of the year is No Way Out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted July 25, 2005 If his mindset is similar to my mindset, then his pick for worst PPV of the year is No Way Out. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Should be New Year's Revolution. That PPV was just a disaster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dangerous A 0 Report post Posted July 25, 2005 For WWE PPV's, No Way Out and New Year's Revolution were damn bad. On a grade school scale, they were straight up F's. GAB gets a D- only because they had to change booking because of the Hassan ban. Backlash was a low C grade. JD, Vengeance, and Rumble were solid B's and WM was about an A-. ONS is a weird animal for me. For insider fans and fans of ECW, the show is probrably a B or so. On the outside looking in, if you weren't an ECW fan, have the insider knowledge, or like actual in ring wrestling, this show was probrably a D grade. The in ring product was bad and on par with what was presented last night at GAB. The worked shoot promos were fun, but again, that's because I'm inside the box. I could see where it doesn't work for everyone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted July 25, 2005 The show itself was the 2d worst PPV of the year out of the WWE. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And in your opinion, which was the worst? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No Way Out. Not a single good match on the show (even Eddy & Rey v Bashams was crap). New Year's Revolution had a moderately amusing Elimination Chamber, which puts it above ONS and NWO. ONS had no outstanding matches (Awesome v Tanaka was ***1/2), some painful promos (as I said elsewhere, Heyman would have been wise reciting his pre-Survivor Series 2001 promo verbatim and RVD is better than Sable on the mic, but that's about the only person he's better than). JBL's comentary on the DVD actually made the show more watchable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted July 26, 2005 You are aware that the WWF has no benefit, whatsoever, in downplaying the numbers of any of their shows, right? They are a public company traded on the stock market. Intentionally misreporting revenue can lead to some legal issues. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So why would InDemand and other PPV network want to inflate buyrates? What would be their motivation. While each estimate isn't extremely different from each other, it seems apparent that being approx 100,000 buys off means someone is being full of shit. The question is, which side is more likely to "cook the books" ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted July 26, 2005 Is InDemand publicly traded? Asking a legitimate question. The WWE has zero interest, whatsoever, in skewing the numbers down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted July 26, 2005 The question I have mainly is, has there even been an official ONS buyrate released yet? I mean first we got the initial "OMG 800000" buys bullshit, and then we got WWE's estimate, but usually by now estimates are over and we have the actual number give or take 1,000 buys...has THAT number been released yet? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted July 26, 2005 I can't remember how long it takes to get the number. I thought one month. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zyn081 0 Report post Posted July 26, 2005 For WWE PPV's, No Way Out and New Year's Revolution were damn bad. On a grade school scale, they were straight up F's. GAB gets a D- only because they had to change booking because of the Hassan ban. Backlash was a low C grade. JD, Vengeance, and Rumble were solid B's and WM was about an A-. ONS is a weird animal for me. For insider fans and fans of ECW, the show is probrably a B or so. On the outside looking in, if you weren't an ECW fan, have the insider knowledge, or like actual in ring wrestling, this show was probrably a D grade. The in ring product was bad and on par with what was presented last night at GAB. The worked shoot promos were fun, but again, that's because I'm inside the box. I could see where it doesn't work for everyone. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Please dont mention school grades. I just got my university finals results and am trying to forget those blasted letters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dangerous A 0 Report post Posted July 26, 2005 That's because you're too busy watching wrestling Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Promoter 0 Report post Posted July 26, 2005 You know I love my conspiracies and everything, however on a serious note it does seem odd that the wwe had Vengence packed the way it was and then the following ppv stunk up the joint in GAB which wasn't two weeks after an ECW reunion show. I mean, it just looks too ironic. Hassan ban or not I have not seen ONE person ANYWHERE say the ppv had anything remotely entertaining besides Rey/Eddie which was also claimed to be tied up with Rey's son at ringside making their match weaker than the previous ppv match. Just to add another conspiracy here is that the wwe deliberately makes GAB stink up the joint because it's a wcw related ppv. I mean two years in a row? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zyn081 0 Report post Posted July 27, 2005 That's because you're too busy watching wrestling <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not really. I dont watch that much. Not more than 5 hours a week, and thats a max. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted July 27, 2005 If his mindset is similar to my mindset, then his pick for worst PPV of the year is No Way Out. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Should be New Year's Revolution. That PPV was just a disaster. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No Way Out was much worse then NYR. I didn't think NYR was that bad. No Way Out had a really good Cena-Angle match, and well that's it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted July 27, 2005 You know I love my conspiracies and everything, however on a serious note it does seem odd that the wwe had Vengence packed the way it was and then the following ppv stunk up the joint in GAB which wasn't two weeks after an ECW reunion show. I mean, it just looks too ironic. Hassan ban or not I have not seen ONE person ANYWHERE say the ppv had anything remotely entertaining besides Rey/Eddie which was also claimed to be tied up with Rey's son at ringside making their match weaker than the previous ppv match. Just to add another conspiracy here is that the wwe deliberately makes GAB stink up the joint because it's a wcw related ppv. I mean two years in a row? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not having seen it, I still doubt it's much worse than ONS. And conspiracy theories are seldom enlightening. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedJed 0 Report post Posted July 27, 2005 WWE did not intentionally sabotage GAB into a shit ppv, its just how it was. Smackdown does not have a strong lineup in general still after the draft IMO and Raw had the advantage of the two champions on their last ppv, etc. Bottom line is Raw always will continue to get favored in general over Smackdown by management (I mean how many times have we heard Ross call Raw "the flagship of WWE"?) but add the fact that WWE was, of course, trying to compete with ECW in a way - or at best load that lineup up so that they could get their fanbase, who they assumed got the ECW show, to also put down more funds on another show two weeks later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted July 27, 2005 Not having seen it, I still doubt it's much worse than ONS. And conspiracy theories are seldom enlightening. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Take my word for it Mike, GAB was really terrible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted July 27, 2005 Keep in mind, I thought ONS was the drizzling shits, too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
