Campaign 2008

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

If memory serves, California gives out all their delegates winner-take-all. That will be a major hurdle to overcome to the loser (441 delegates).

 

You're right. If Clinton wins CA, it's probably all over but the crying.

 

John Edwards has basically said he's in this race until the end. IF the nomination is competitive until the convention, his delegates will make or break the nominee. So who does he want to be VP for- Clinton, or Obama?

 

I can't imagine a situation in which Edwards, given the campaign he's run and given how hard he's gone after Clinton, wouldn't support Obama. I've also read rumors that Edwards is all but a lock to be Attorney General in an Obama admininstration.

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

We know she wants to return the top tax bracket to almost 40% from 35%..and clearly if she thought she could get away with it Id say she'd be going for even higher.

 

The people in the top bracket obviously need that 5% so they can purchase new HDTVs to watch Glenn Beck.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

Walker: The present value of future unfunded liabilities for Medicare, Social Security and other plans is $53 trillion.

 

OH SO IN A DISCUSSION OF SOCIAL SECURITY YOU PULL OUT A NUMBER THAT REFERS TO MEDICARE, SOCIAL SECURITY, AND "OTHER PLANS," WHATEVER THE HELL THAT MEANS, ONLY TO INFORM US THAT THE NUMBER YOU WERE USING TO FEARMONGER ABOUT SOCIAL SECURITY ACTUALLY DOESN'T REFER TO SOCIAL SECURITY. YOU ARE STARTING TO STRIKE ME AS A DISHONEST TROLL.

First of all the other two programs are Railroad Retirement and the Black Lung Program, and as far as I know they are relatively small compared to Social Security and Medicare.

 

And yes, medicare is the bigger portion of the $53 trillion ($34 trillion) but Social Security is right behind it and they are usually bunched together as Baby Boomers will be drawing benefits from both programs as they retire.

 

Did you know that: Railroad workers do not pay social security? Thats what the railroad retirement thing is for.

he Railroad Retirement Board (or RRB) is an agency of the United States government created in the 1930s to administer a social insurance program providing retirement benefits to the country's railroad workers.

 

The RRB serves U.S. railroad workers and their families, and administers retirement, survivor, unemployment, and sickness benefits.

 

Railroad workers do not pay money into Social Security, nor do they receive Social Security benefits. In connection with the retirement program, the RRB has administrative responsibilities for railroad workers' Medicare coverage.

 

During 2005, retirement-survivor benefits of $9 billion were paid to 634,000 beneficiaries, while net unemployment-sickness benefits of $73 million were paid to 29,000 claimants.

 

That seems a tad bit outdated, I dont think we're in the 1930s anymore. and Black Lung program is to pay healthcosts for coal miners who get black lung..seems obvious enough..

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

OH MY BAD I DIDNT KNOW THEY WERE USUALLY BUNCHED TOGETHER THANX

[Nightwing 0]

Walker: The present value of future unfunded liabilities for Medicare, Social Security and other plans is $53 trillion.

 

OH SO IN A DISCUSSION OF SOCIAL SECURITY YOU PULL OUT A NUMBER THAT REFERS TO MEDICARE, SOCIAL SECURITY, AND "OTHER PLANS," WHATEVER THE HELL THAT MEANS, ONLY TO INFORM US THAT THE NUMBER YOU WERE USING TO FEARMONGER ABOUT SOCIAL SECURITY ACTUALLY DOESN'T REFER TO SOCIAL SECURITY. YOU ARE STARTING TO STRIKE ME AS A DISHONEST TROLL.

First of all the other two programs are Railroad Retirement and the Black Lung Program, and as far as I know they are relatively small compared to Social Security and Medicare.

 

And yes, medicare is the bigger portion of the $53 trillion ($34 trillion) but Social Security is right behind it and they are usually bunched together as Baby Boomers will be drawing benefits from both programs as they retire.

 

Well, I guess we can't yell at you for lying because I'm sure you really believed it was true.

 

Boon: Here's a great site for judging trends that I've been using. Right now, Obama is trending up and Clinton is trending down, and all the data here is about a week old, before all the big stuff for Obama.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

If Bush would have said something in his speech along the lines of "In today's climate we are divided on our view of the war on Iraq, but one thing we all can be supportive of, is our troops efforts" then the Democrats would have applauded and you know it. It is the fact that once again Bush wants to tie "support of the troops" in with whether or not someone is willing to sign more war funding bills and whether or not they agree the surge is working. It has little to do with "support the troops" Honestly, I think the guy still thinks it's 2004.

 

It is a sad fact, but "support our troops" is such a meaningless throw-away slogan now-a-days.

 

I'll sit here and support the troops no matter what but that doesnt mean that im supporting the war when I do it. To show them that level of disprespect by playing the petty bullshit games is rediculous. Its not like if they fucking got up off their asses and clapped for a few seconds in support of the troops that anyone in their right mind would have gone "OH MY GOD! THE DEMOCRATS SUPPORT BUSH'S WAR!! STOP THE PRESSES!" and its really agrivating me because I haven't heard ANYONE (not even the great Glenn Beck) call the democrats out on this.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

I find it rediculous and agrivating as well!

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

I think Giuliani is going to be Mccains VP.

 

the ultimate WE ARE THE WAR ticket

 

that or maybe he'd get Ron Paul as the VP to help him with his economics..

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

Huckabee is going to be the Republican John Edwards in that he's going to hang in for no good reason. No one takes either of them seriously anymore.

[snuffbox 0]

Neither of those have any chance of happening, Marvin. McCain will probably go with Huckabee (or a relative unknown with some supposed ability to balance the ticket).

 

I agree with the idea that Edwards is probably runnng to be Obama's AG. If Hillary rides the wave of her successes in Michigan & Florida to the nomination, her VP will be some lame guy from a swing state; it will probably he that annoying twirp, Evan Bayh, and the ticket will lose Indiana anyway.

[Nightwing 0]

I think Giuliani is going to be Mccains VP.

 

the ultimate WE ARE THE WAR ticket

 

that or maybe he'd get Ron Paul as the VP to help him with his economics..

 

I'm not sure whether you should stay the hell away from the Republican Party or join right up. I'm conflicted.

 

Giuliani would be a miserable choice for VP: A VP should be someone you can't normally draw in on your own. Huckabee is the only choice for VP, in my opinion. McCain, if he won, would be able to draw in fiscal conservatives and foreign policy conservatives with his own record. Even though he's shown he shares their beliefs, he'll probably have the hardest time shoring up the evangelicals. Huckabee is ridiculously charismatic, comes off as honesty and witty, and really is a great campaigner. Choosing him tells the Christian Right that "We know you're part of our constituency", but his role is limited enough to deflect criticism that the Religious Right would be running the Country. McCain's politics carry incredibly well across independents (even better than Giuliani), and I can't see anyone who could beat him out there. His worry should be bringing out the conservatives, and Huckabee can do that well.

 

That's the best choice for the Republican Party. The easiest attack on it? McCain's age makes a Huckabee Presidency via succession a real possibility. That might turn off some voters, but I'm not sure banking on McCain's death to scare people would be an effective attack strategy.

 

Ron Paul + Economics = Destruction of US Economy. Maybe we haven't had enough of Narcoleptic Jumper's "Tinfoil Hat Chats" to realize that, though.

[NoCalMike 0]

Here is some more of Glenn Beck's greatest hits for our resident fan. In this approx 2 minute piece Mr. Beck asks the first Muslim to be elected to the house to PROVE he isn't "working with the enemy" but I mean that's all ok because he says "he likes muslims" at the beginning.....

 

 

::shotgun to head::

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

So essientially its either Obama or Clinton and McCain or Romney.

 

Romney better get his act together.

[Nightwing 0]

Romney better get his act together.

 

I believe he sorts his acts on a day-to-day basis.

[snuffbox 0]

Romney's going to end up spending more than $50 million on the primaries. At least he's made it farther than his pops.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

Here is some more of Glenn Beck's greatest hits for our resident fan. In this approx 2 minute piece Mr. Beck asks the first Muslim to be elected to the house to PROVE he isn't "working with the enemy" but I mean that's all ok because he says "he likes muslims" at the beginning.....

 

 

::shotgun to head::

 

Thats discussed on page 146-147 of "An Inconvenient Book" in the chapter on Media Bias.

 

after "Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies" most people leave out the part "And I know you're not" as well as "I am not accusing you of being an enemy" and "I really dont believe that Islam is a relgion of Evil. I -- you know I think its being hijacked, quite frankly"

 

But everyone ran to attack beck with the "prove to me you are not working with our enemies" line..completely ignoring the rest.

 

How about the time when he called the Katrina victims scumbags..or called Jimmy Carter "a waste of Skin"..oh wait..he actually meant that last one.

 

If you've got a couple hours to waste, do a search for Glenn Beck on media matters...

[NoCalMike 0]

Here is some more of Glenn Beck's greatest hits for our resident fan. In this approx 2 minute piece Mr. Beck asks the first Muslim to be elected to the house to PROVE he isn't "working with the enemy" but I mean that's all ok because he says "he likes muslims" at the beginning.....

 

 

::shotgun to head::

 

Thats discussed on page 146-147 of "An Inconvenient Book" in the chapter on Media Bias.

 

after "Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies" most people leave out the part "And I know you're not" as well as "I am not accusing you of being an enemy" and "I really dont believe that Islam is a relgion of Evil. I -- you know I think its being hijacked, quite frankly"

 

But everyone ran to attack beck with the "prove to me you are not working with our enemies" line..completely ignoring the rest.

 

How about the time when he called the Katrina victims scumbags..or called Jimmy Carter "a waste of Skin"..oh wait..he actually meant that last one.

 

Umm, how is it media bias? No one twisted his words, and I posted the entire thing including what you just typed. Watch the video for yourself. The guy came off as pompous asshole. Tell me what was the point of asking the question in the first place....was it just Glenn Beck humor and I just don't "get it"? No one is "ignoring the rest" It was obvious he was just being a prick for the sake of being a prick when he starts the entire thing off with "yeah I know you are for cutting and running"

 

[NoCalMike 0]

Too bad

isn't running

[RonL21 0]

I'm Glad I started the Glenn Beck discussion...

 

 

Obviously he and Bill O'Reilly went to the same school of wooing the ladies....

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

Here is some more of Glenn Beck's greatest hits for our resident fan. In this approx 2 minute piece Mr. Beck asks the first Muslim to be elected to the house to PROVE he isn't "working with the enemy" but I mean that's all ok because he says "he likes muslims" at the beginning.....

 

 

::shotgun to head::

 

Thats discussed on page 146-147 of "An Inconvenient Book" in the chapter on Media Bias.

 

after "Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies" most people leave out the part "And I know you're not" as well as "I am not accusing you of being an enemy" and "I really dont believe that Islam is a relgion of Evil. I -- you know I think its being hijacked, quite frankly"

 

But everyone ran to attack beck with the "prove to me you are not working with our enemies" line..completely ignoring the rest.

 

How about the time when he called the Katrina victims scumbags..or called Jimmy Carter "a waste of Skin"..oh wait..he actually meant that last one.

 

Umm, how is it media bias? No one twisted his words, and I posted the entire thing including what you just typed. Watch the video for yourself. The guy came off as pompous asshole. Tell me what was the point of asking the question in the first place....was it just Glenn Beck humor and I just don't "get it"? No one is "ignoring the rest" It was obvious he was just being a prick for the sake of being a prick when he starts the entire thing off with "yeah I know you are for cutting and running"

 

 

From the book (page 143)

"There is literally an intire industry now set up through big-named Democratic financiers to force me and others with a conservative point of view of the air. I believe this is a sign of liberal talk-radio surrender. Since those shows and networks couldnt win in the marketplace, they've resorted to slanderous calls of racisim and bigotry and taking words out of context."

 

see the media matters website. And yes, a lot of his stuff he gets called out on is either him screwing up (here) or a poor taste in humor (Mexinol).

 

and...yeah..we need to get back to the topic of the election and not Glenn Beck, though Im sure I'll have some stuff for tomorrow from his show to post..

 

 

 

 

[PUT THAT DICK IN MY MOUTH! 0]

This is the first time I've ever actually encountered someone who gets all of their news/opinions from an awful talk radio show. It's really quite fascinating.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

Racisim is destroying the intire USA.

[The Niggardly King 0]

Is Glenn Beck your FATHER?

[PUT THAT DICK IN MY MOUTH! 0]

From the book (page 143)

"There is literally an intire industry now set up through big-named Democratic financiers to force me and others with a conservative point of view of the air. I believe this is a sign of liberal talk-radio surrender. Since those shows and networks couldnt win in the marketplace, they've resorted to slanderous calls of racisim and bigotry and taking words out of context."

 

see the media matters website. And yes, a lot of his stuff he gets called out on is either him screwing up (here) or a poor taste in humor (Mexinol).

 

Conservative TV hosts are the most unjustly persecuted minority in America.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

This is the first time I've ever actually encountered someone who gets all of their news/opinions from an awful talk radio show. It's really quite fascinating.

 

I dont get it all from Glenn Beck, as I do look up stuff on the internet as well..

 

and if it wasn't for Glenn Beck I probably wouldnt have nearly the same amount of interest in the election. that has to be better than a lot of people who are completely uninformed about everything when they go to vote (I have no idea why they'd even bother wasting their time to go vote, but it happens).

 

And I dont agree with everything Glenn Beck has to say. Im not at all religious, I dont care about abortions one way or the other though I do support stem cell research for the obvious medical reasons. I do really agree with him on the issues of Illegal Immigration (and the related MexAmeriCanada and the Amero), the Economy and Global Warming. Those 3 issues are huge for me and the reason why I listen to his show on a daily basis (and try to catch the CNN show when I can) (and buy his book) (and buy stuff off his website).

 

I got this sticker for my car

 

 

Ive already had one person stop me and say how it was cool I was driving an eco friendly car and thank me for doing my part for the environment. I didnt have the heart to tell em the truth

 

 

[Gary Floyd 0]

and if it wasn't for Glenn Beck I probably wouldnt have nearly the same amount of interest in the election.

I don't think that's something you should be proud of.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

and if it wasn't for Glenn Beck I probably wouldnt have nearly the same amount of interest in the election.

I don't think that's something you should be proud of.

Ive voted in every election since 2000 (Nader/Erlich(MD Gov)/Kerry/Erlich) Im still pissed because MD moved up their Primary I couldnt register as a Republican from an Independent and thus cant vote in any primary here in Maryland. Erlich losing and the state of Maryland turning into a shithole over night after 4 good years of a Republican Governor was my "pivot point" so to speak in terms of my change from independent to Republican.

[The Niggardly King 0]

Man bro, you need to be watching Lou Dobbs, now that guy is the real deal... only man with the balls to talk about THE NEW WORLD ORDER, and he supports RON PAUL.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

Man bro, you need to be watching Lou Dobbs, now that guy is the real deal... only man with the balls to talk about THE NEW WORLD ORDER, and he supports RON PAUL.

 

Im not a big conspiracy theory guy though I do have a few. I did give up listening to Coast to Coast AM a while back,

[The Niggardly King 0]

 

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