Campaign 2008

[Guest Blue Man Czech]

Gary Floyd, what are you doing.

I'm Ron Pauling this Ron Paul so that Ron Paul can Ron Paul this Ron Paul Ron Paul. Is That Ron Paul?

But Ron Paul is the best candidate the Republican Party has.

 

Czech looked like a Nader man to me. Indie.

I have a lot of respect for Ralph Nader, but haha, I'm not voting for him.

[snuffbox 0]

How does Gary Floyd manage to get worse with each new effort?

[King Kamala 0]

Vitamin- if elections were today, I'd probably vote for Nader. Does that give me any indie cred?

 

 

Any of yous seen the Nader documentary that came out last year? Some good shit.

 

 

[Nightwing 0]

This debate isn't nearly as fun as the Republican one. Watching Romney and McCain go at it, Huckabee beg for space, and Ron Paul look pissed all night at least had some entertainment value.

 

I feel like this is a lot of backpatting and cheap pops from the crowd. Clinton is getting a bunch of them, but hammering on GW isn't going to be something she can do in the General Election when an actual candidate from the Republicans is out there. Overall, I'm gettin gthe feeling that Clinton is coming out of this a bit better. Obama needs to nail Clinton on something, as he's the guy who is behind. He needs to make some sort of move here.

[snuffbox 0]

You'd be right, Nightwing, if you weren't completely wrong. The biggest factor in GWB's election was Bill Clinton (he wasnt running that year). Nixon played no small role in 1976 (he wasnt running). It's a proven campign point.

[Nightwing 0]

You'd be right, Nightwing, if you weren't completely wrong. The biggest factor in GWB's election was Bill Clinton (he wasnt running that year). Nixon played no small role in 1976 (he wasnt running). It's a proven campign point.

Look again. Those were two candidates who were directly part of the previous Administration as a VP. With McCain as a frontrunner, it's hard to connect him to the Administration with his moderate views on multiple subjects and his known problems with the Administration (And the party as a whole). If Dick Cheney were the guy running, you'd have a point. But he's not; in his stead is the "Outrider Maverick War Hero Senator" who has multiple endorsements from moderates about how he can "reach across the aisle", along with the proof to boot. You can't honestly think this is an "Al Gore" or "Gerry Ford" situation, can you?

[Nightwing 0]

Wolf Blitzer just called Clinton "naive". Ballsy, and it's given Obama a hole to bust through, especially with Clinton almost justifying Bush's war for him.

[Bruiser_Brody_ 0]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVeFVtcdSYY

 

Obama the gay man

[Nightwing 0]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVeFVtcdSYY

 

Obama the gay man

 

OMG!!!

 

And Clinton gets a softball on the issue of Bill.

[snuffbox 0]

You'd be right, Nightwing, if you weren't completely wrong. The biggest factor in GWB's election was Bill Clinton (he wasnt running that year). Nixon played no small role in 1976 (he wasnt running). It's a proven campign point.

Look again. Those were two candidates who were directly part of the previous Administration as a VP. With McCain as a frontrunner, it's hard to connect him to the Administration with his moderate views on multiple subjects and his known problems with the Administration (And the party as a whole). If Dick Cheney were the guy running, you'd have a point. But he's not; in his stead is the "Outrider Maverick War Hero Senator" who has multiple endorsements from moderates about how he can "reach across the aisle", along with the proof to boot. You can't honestly think this is an "Al Gore" or "Gerry Ford" situation, can you?

 

John McCain is pretty close to an incumbant on the Iraq War. That war is still going on no matter what the Liberal Media seems to think. It will still be going on in November. And, none of the GOP guys are distancing themselves on anything the Bush Admin has done.

 

Wait, why am I even doing this?

[Nightwing 0]

You'd be right, Nightwing, if you weren't completely wrong. The biggest factor in GWB's election was Bill Clinton (he wasnt running that year). Nixon played no small role in 1976 (he wasnt running). It's a proven campign point.

Look again. Those were two candidates who were directly part of the previous Administration as a VP. With McCain as a frontrunner, it's hard to connect him to the Administration with his moderate views on multiple subjects and his known problems with the Administration (And the party as a whole). If Dick Cheney were the guy running, you'd have a point. But he's not; in his stead is the "Outrider Maverick War Hero Senator" who has multiple endorsements from moderates about how he can "reach across the aisle", along with the proof to boot. You can't honestly think this is an "Al Gore" or "Gerry Ford" situation, can you?

 

John McCain is pretty close to an icumbant on the Iraq War.

 

Wait, why am I even doing this?

I'm not really sure, because independents tend to disagree with you. He has separated him very well from Bush, despite his agreement on the situation in Iraq. This isn't August anymore, and with the surge "working", he looks a little bit vindicated by the thing as he's been begging for it for a while. And that's not even considering the fact that Ford and Gore were both Charisma Vacuums at the time they were up for election. Seriously, this shouldn't even be a debate: McCain has put himself in a different boat in the minds of most independents when it comes to a lot of issues.

[The Niggardly King 0]

Is it a psychological thing? Like a need for the protective mom, or something?

 

pretty much. it's no secret that what the majority of people in this country actually want is socialism, i.e., nanny state. we get off on big government.

 

Ron Paul is are only hope bro... I posted the info before, but too many people here just scoffed at it and they're afraid to open their eyes, are to blinded by stupidity. Ron Paul for the people, by the people.

[Nightwing 0]

I'll forgo grades, as there are just two candidates in this one.

 

Overall, I felt like Obama came out a little ahead. Hillary got across that she was a policy wonk, but I almost felt like she was trying to hard to establish that (Talking about how many brigades a month she wants out in Iraq was a little much). The Bush-baiting was good for a crowd pop, but I still don't think it's going to help in a general election with a potential candidate that has separated himself from the current administration.

 

Obama came out strong. I feel like this was his best debate: he came off well, and he managed to take it to her once the opportunity showed itself. He needs to get Wolf Blitzer a bottle of champagne for that "Naive" comment, because it created the opening he needed to get in a slam dunk on her. I felt like he got one heck of a point over on her there.

 

In the end, I don't think anyone really won. It felt more like a unifying moment than anything, as I think everyone felt good about who was coming out of this. I'm not sure how that is going to play for either candidate.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

I'm not gonna lie...I turned off the debate to watch LOST. It was getting kinda boring.

[Nightwing 0]

It's not like it won't be on non-stop for the rest of the night.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

Yeah, but I've gotta work in the morning (unless we have a snow day...it's looking bad out). I'll just read a recap.

[NoCalMike 0]

So when the debates began I was flipping throught the cable news channels to see who was showing it, and I stopped at Fox News to see what O'Reily would be featuring on his show....so his first two lead stories, one is about "conservative angst" and the other about "far left wing hate" The interesting part is the fact that he managed to label Mike Malloy a far left extremist, but then at the same time labled Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter as merely "Conservatives" Now, I have heard Mike Malloys radio show on many occassions and I wouldn't deny he is rather left of left, but the nerve to then turn around and not consider people like Rush and/or Coulter the yin to Malloy's yang, and merely say they are "angry conservatives" is kind of peculiar.

[Guest Blue Man Czech]

NoCalMike, go lie down.

 

So apparently the result of tonight's Democratic debate was that everybody is a winner.

[NoCalMike 0]

NoCalMike, go lie down.

 

So apparently the result of tonight's Democratic debate was that everybody is a winner.

 

I actually just woke back up, I fell asleep during the debate. Had a long day at work today.

[Guest Blue Man Czech]

Who gives a shit what Bill O'Reilly says? His star has fallen so far in the last eight years. I agree with your point, insofar as it's worth caring about.

 

Mike Malloy is just radio bad, though. They should've called him "far-left shitty broadcaster."

[Gary Floyd 0]

So when the debates began I was flipping throught the cable news channels to see who was showing it, and I stopped at Fox News to see what O'Reily would be featuring on his show....so his first two lead stories, one is about "conservative angst" and the other about "far left wing hate" The interesting part is the fact that he managed to label Mike Malloy a far left extremist, but then at the same time labled Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter as merely "Conservatives" Now, I have heard Mike Malloys radio show on many occassions and I wouldn't deny he is rather left of left, but the nerve to then turn around and not consider people like Rush and/or Coulter the yin to Malloy's yang, and merely say they are "angry conservatives" is kind of peculiar.

Here's an idea: If you dislike Fox so much, then how about not watching it?

[Guest Blue Man Czech]

Another Thousand Reasons Why FOX News Sucks

:The Thread:

 

Maybe NoCalMike feels the need to get his cable news from a channel with an editorial slant contrary to his own. I watch and subsequently bitch about watching MSNBC.

[Nightwing 0]

Oh come on. He was just flipping through. Don't crucify him for making a little comment.

 

By the by: This thread needs a "Comments that Don't Warrant a Thread" Thread for things like that.

[Guest Blue Man Czech]

I agree, this thread needs a thread thread.

 

I think Arianna Huffington is Leena + 35 years.

[pappajacks 0]

I'm sorry Czech, what's your argument here? That Israel isn't surrounded by enemies and that it hasn't fought several defensive wars against invasions? Or that America hasn't been the number one ally of Israel in helping them to do so?

 

A totally isolationist policy might sound good in theory, but there are just too many people around the world who rely on American aid for survival. Paul's plan seems to basically be "FUCK 'em, they should've thought of that before they decided to get born in a third-world hellhole". I understand the appeal of not risking the lives of our troops, believe me, I understand it better than you imagine. But Paul's strategy isn't just America First, it's America Only. Come to think of it, what's his position on the USA being the #1 supplier of monetary foreign aid and disaster relief?

 

Israel has atomic bombs, nuclear weapons and is the 5th strongest military in the world.

 

The US should stop sending welfare checks to them and Israel should start defending itself. $3 trillion since the early 1970's is enough in financial support.

[CheesalaIsGood 0]

Gary Floyd, what are you doing.

He is waiting for you to tell him to shut the fuck up.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

Someone needs to ask Hillary about what Bill said:

 

"We just have to slow down our economy and cut back our greenhouse gas emissions 'cause we have to save the planet for our grandchildren."

 

Uh..what? Lets slow the economy down to save the planet! Yeah..I kinda find it hard to believe that he "mis-spoke" or that he was "misunderstood"..

 

"Everybody knows that global warming is real,"

 

That should read more like

 

"Everybody Some people knowsthink that global warming is real,"

 

because he's certainly not speaking for me or the millions of others who haven't been brainwashed into the whole Global Warming thing. And to say that we need to risk putting our economy back into recession to try and solve a global problem that other major countries (China) are not doing anything to solve is beyond absolute stupidity. For every ounce of CO2 we prevent going into the atmosphere, China will release a pound no matter what we do. He does mention this, but if he realizes this why would he even suggest such a thing as slowing the economy down in the first place now?

 

I honestly cant believe he'd say such a thing in the midst of the "We need this $150250 billion foreign wellfare bailout to stimulate the economy" crap..

 

Edit: and I would buy any energy policy that was based on lowering dependence on foreign oil, better energy conservation (so we dont have blackouts in 10 years because we're not able to increase the amount of energy production), increasing domestic output (drilling for oil in places the econuts dont want us to because some poor elk might have to move over a few feet), more nuclear energy (screw the not in my backyard folks)..Hell, I might even support things that would help improve air quality. But screw it all if they're doing it in the name of saving us from Global Warming.

[Guest Blue Man Czech]

Glenn Beck is retarded and so are you; go away.

[PUT THAT DICK IN MY MOUTH! 0]

I think Arianna Huffington is Leena + 35 years.

 

I would def. have sex w/ Arianna Huffington.

[ZGangsta 0]

"Everybody Some people knowsthink that global warming is real,"

Yeah I'm gonna trust a guy who gets his opinions on science from Glen Beck.

 

And I gotta agree, I think McCain has separated himself from W enough in the eyes of the people (whether it's true or not) that, with some decent campaigning, W's trainwreck of a presidency isn't going to hurt him too much.