Campaign 2008

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I don't think any of the GOP field believes in evolution. Or, at least that seems to be what many of them feel obligated to say. Ron Paul probably disagrees with evolution because he fiddled around with a bunch of vaginas.

 

 

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

I thought that was Huckabee.

 

Or is it TWO Rep candidates? Three?

 

I do believe it is/was Huckabee, Brownback and Tancredo as far as Republican Candidates that didnt accept the theory of evolution.

 

I dont see what that has to do with Huckabee (or any other candidate) being president, but whatever.

 

 

[EricMM 0]

...Because that would mean he doesn't believe in science.

 

Which is kind of a minus for THE LEADER OF YOUR COUNTRY.

 

For crying out loud...

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

People who don't believe in evolution frighten me.

 

I know a girl who steadfastly refuses it.

 

Sweet, honest nice person...

 

...who's brain is too warped from the good book to believe something that is actually...you know...real...

 

Yeah...I couldn't vote for someone who doesn't accept evolution.

[snuffbox 0]

A grasp on reality should really be a prerequisite for the Presidency.

[BUTT 0]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPoCsC8VT9g

 

Ron Paul on evolution.

[snuffbox 0]

That's too bad.

[EricMM 0]

mmhmm...

[i think it's inappropriate] for the presidency to be decided on a scientific matter

 

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

...Because that would mean he doesn't believe in science.

 

Which is kind of a minus for THE LEADER OF YOUR COUNTRY.

 

For crying out loud...

 

Science is easily spinned one way or another depending on the results one wants (see: Global Warming) but the fact is no one is ever going to know definitively the answer to evolution save for someone inventing time travel.

 

Science isn't the end all be all for proving anything to be 100% factual you know. You have some scientists who say global warming is caused by CO2 and all and you have some that swear its the natural cooling/warming cycle of the earth (which by the way we're supposedly now entering a long cooling period according to some scientists). Someone's gotta be wrong (unless you figure they're both right or both wrong somehow).

 

Pluto was called a planet for 77 years and then suddenly scientists decide its not a planet anymore and so it isn't, even though for 77 years it was the P in MVEMJSUNP...

 

I Could see an argument if they were running for some sort of leadership position at a Science Institute or something..

[EricMM 0]

Well you might want to go by the numbers of one side vs. the other side, Marvin, it really REALLY isn't a debate in scientific circles.

 

But in fact, unlike wars, science is not supposed to be as easily spun one way or another. Whereas religion clearly is. Bush didn't go with science, he went with his gut, and look where we are now.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

You can easily spin science. The whole global warming thing is a prime example. Oil industries are paying scientists to do studies that prove its not caused by CO2 emissions and you have companies that will benefit greatly if theres a great energy shift away from fossil fuels paying scientists to say it is. Then there are wackjob scientists out there doing research on their own that say Global Warming is a good thing because it increases plant activity thus producing more food and trees for humans to use.

 

Ciggarettes are another..there were tons of science studies funded by tobacco companies that didn't put any link between cigarettes and health problems..it took different funded studies to prove otherwise, although there are probably still people out there that don't believe them for one reason or another..

 

I just want to put it out there that Im not religious and don't really care if we evolved from monkeys or weird sea creatures or if we just appeared here by some divine intervention. I dont see how thats important in 2008 given the numerous other issues that this country faces, to make Evolution a key determining factor in someones electability.

[EricMM 0]

Well, you have to differentiate between "science" and "bullshit" Marvin...

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

Well, you have to differentiate between "science" and "bullshit" Marvin...

In the global warming scenario, which is which? There are many reputable scientists that support each side. If being paid by Oil to be against global warming invalidates them, then what does getting paid by companies that stand to benefit if we switch away from oil do to that reasearch? I suppose its the wackjob that can be trusted since he's not getting paid by either side, though he's probably getting paid by someone just because in this day and age all reasearch is funded by someone.

 

Im already tired of trying to argue this. You can believe in science, you can believe in religion, you can believe in nothing for all I care. But I still don't see how a candidate agreeing with a theory proposed by Charles Darwin on how we evolved from apes or whatever has even the slightest relevance to 2008 politics in this country, other than from non-religious people who are worried Huckabee's gonna win and take over and force everyone to convert to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Which is as likely to happen as John Edwards winning and forcing everyone to watch the Waltons everynight on television.

 

 

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

Can we remember that this started with a discussion about evolution.

 

That's much easier to simplify.

 

People who don't accept evolution are retarded.

 

And no one should vote for retards to be president.

 

 

 

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

Can we remember that this started with a discussion about evolution.

 

That's much easier to simplify.

 

People who don't accept evolution are retarded.

 

And no one should vote for retards to be president.

can we lump them with the retards that dont believe we ever landed on the moon and the people in 2008 that still think the earth is flat (they stil exist!)

[Guest My Pal, the Tortoise]

Huckabee's gonna win and take over and force everyone to convert to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Which is as likely to happen as John Edwards winning and forcing everyone to watch the Waltons everynight on television.

The hell? First you crossed your wires, then you took the wires and stuck them up your ass.

 

It's a shame about the Ron Paul/evolution thing, but to what extent would his beliefs trickle down to the rest of the country?

[EricMM 0]

It doesn't matter. If he won't trust scientists on evolution because it's not Christian, what else won't he trust scientists on, and on who's behalf? It goes beyond "just" Global Warming.

 

How can we represent ourselves to the rest of the world with someone that willfully stupid in charge? Er, how can we CONTINUE...

[Dobbs 3K 0]

Ron Paul's answer was fine. He was right that the question isn't really relevant to the presidency.

 

You guys know that most of the country does believe in "a god" and is at least nominally Christian, right? Oh, I guess that makes all of us stupid rubes, though.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

George Bush's presidency is exactly why any promises of unity are empty rhetoric. I just can't believe so many people are willing to fall for it. He's just a liberal Democrat. He's not reaching out to me. That's bullshit.

 

You don't have to be a squishy moderate to "unite" people. Look at Reagan. Hardcore conservative, but was able to win over tons of Democrats--so many that even today political analysts call blue collar white men "Reagan Democrats."

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

Ron Paul's answer was fine. He was right that the question isn't really relevant to the presidency.

 

You guys know that most of the country does believe in "a god" and is at least nominally Christian, right? Oh, I guess that makes all of us stupid rubes, though.

 

 

Having faith in something is fine. It can be wonderful even.

 

Ignoring facts that contradict your belief is where that slippery slope to crazy starts.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

Falafel Boy is up to his old tricks:

 

The incident was triggered when [bill] O'Reilly--with a Fox News crew shooting--was screaming at Obama National Trip Director Marvin Nicholson "Move" so he could get Obama's attention, according to several eyewitnesses. "O'Reilly was yelling at him, yelling at his face," a photographer shooting the scene said.

O'Reilly grabbed Nicholson's arm and shoved him, another eyewitness said. Nicholson, who is 6'8, said O'Reilly called him "low class."

"He grabbed me with both his hands here," Nicholson said, gesturing to his left arm and O'Reilly "started shoving me." Nicholson said, " He was pretty upset. He was yelling at me."

Secret Service agents who were nearby flanked O 'Reilly after he pushed Nicholson. They told O'Reilly he needed to calm down and get behind the fence-like barricade that contained the press.

 

Obama had his back turned at this point and did not see any of this.

O'Reilly yelled "sir" at Obama and Obama walked over, not aware of what happened and told him he had an overflow crowd to visit. According to the time code from a photographer shooting the two, Obama and O'Reilly talked near 11:45 a.m. eastern time.

 

[Guest My Pal, the Tortoise]

I wonder if Keith Olbermann got scooped on this latest piece of Hot O'Reilly News.

[Guest My Pal, the Tortoise]

double post

[Gary Floyd 0]

And it rocked, IIRC.

[Narcoleptic Jumper 0]

I can't support Ron Paul knowing he doesn't believe in evolution.

 

how much does that really matter at this point? how fucking much? absolutely not at all, that's how much.

[Atticus Chaos 0]

Looking at last night's debate Obama and Edwards seemed to have formed a tag team against Hillary. Their constant patting themselves on the back about beating Hillary (by just 0.3% in Edwards case) was really annoying.

 

It'll be interesting to see what Hillary does now that she's been put to the test. Supposedly, her and Bill have some really damaging info on Barack's past that they weren't going to release, but that might have changed now. If this info does exist I'm not sure what it could be considering he's been honest about a lot of stuff (mainly his drug use). An affair is possible, I suppose. But then the Clinton's can hardly take the moral high ground there.

[Guest My Pal, the Tortoise]

Psh whatever. There's no derailing the Obama Express. The Republicans shouldn't even nominate a candidate. When I look into his eyes, I see unity, I see change, I see honesty, I see fuckin' America.

[BUTT 0]

As if whoever the Repubs nominate is going to be any better.

[2GOLD 0]

 

It's really odd watching the Republican debate. Everyone cuts off Mitt when he talks but no one seems to want to cut off Fred and Rudy. And Huckabee is just hanging back, not saying much of anything until he's asked to say something.

 

And wow, Huckabee looks really young compared to all these other guys.

[RepoMan 0]

THE NUMBERS - DEMOCRATS (USA Today/Gallup)

 

Barack Obama, 41 percent

 

Hillary Rodham Clinton, 28 percent

 

John Edwards, 19 percent

 

Bill Richardson, 6 percent

 

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THE NUMBERS - REPUBLICANS (USA Today/Gallup)

 

John McCain, 34 percent

 

Mitt Romney, 30 percent

 

Mike Huckabee, 13 percent

 

Ron Paul, 8 percent

 

Rudy Giuliani, 8 percent

 

Obama, McCain lead NH poll

 

Obama's running away with NH. I don't see any dirt that Clinton has on him that could hurt him. He's been totally honest about his drug use, including using coke. I think Hillary has really shot her self in the foot by having Bill go after Obama. There's going to be a huge backlash if she goes even more negative. She needs to weather the storm and wait for Super Tuesday if she has any chance.

 

I think Giuliani made a huge mistake skipping NH. I get that he didn't have a chance in Iowa, but I think he could have done well in a Northeastern state. Barley keeping pace with Ron Pual should really worry someone who thinks they can actually win the nomination.