The One And Only Unforgiven Thread

[Guest *KNK*]

Aries didn't hot shot the title to Punk.  Punk wasn't a hot shot reign. 

 

I'll take 2 short reigns of VALUE along with brilliant quality work over idiotic booking and horrid in ring action.

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Yeah, you're right. Aries held the belt from December 2004 to July of this year, I think. I'm just saying it suddenly went from Aries, who had held the belt for so long, to Punk (who was about to leave for WWE at the time), then the hot-shot title changes started since then.

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Punk wasn't leaving for another 3 months and it was the perfect storyline brilliantly executed. Gibson's reign was planned in advance and Gabe shouldn't had alter plans for that cause when Gibson was around for another 6 shows (which was enough time to bang out some good matches) and since Gibson was built on being a fighting champion, it was okay for him to have a short reign.

 

Dragon will likely halt this supposed "hot shottting" and get a healthy reign...

[Vyce 0]

Damn, another DQ title finish on PPV from what I've read.

 

I can't wait for TNA.

 

Triple J is the Champion once again, and Dixie Carter is back on good terms with him judging by what I read from her exclusive interview yesterday.

 

"Jeff can get a good match out of anyone who isn't good. Jeff's blonde hair is so cute. I can listen to Jeff speak on the mic for 20 minutes and fall in love."

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I fucking hate Jeff Jarrett.

 

Fuck TNA.

 

I can't wait for... ... uh...FUCK!

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UFC?

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........

 

...On second thought, I think I'll take my chances with the WWE or TNA.

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Punk wasn't leaving for another 3 months and it was the perfect storyline brilliantly executed.  Gibson's reign was planned in advance and Gabe shouldn't had alter plans for that cause when Gibson was around for another 6 shows (which was enough time to bang out some good matches) and since Gibson was built on being a fighting champion, it was okay for him to have a short reign.

 

Dragon will likely halt this supposed "hot shottting" and get a healthy reign...

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I read something about that earlier, actually. Seeing as how Gibson still hasn't returned to WWE yet, though, you make a good point.

[The Mandarin 0]

Cena-Angle Not very good, sadly. Cena didn't make the great babyface comeback in the way he needed to. Everything before the ref bump was stale, everything after the ref bump was just awful. It was the Batista/JBL finish, but even worse. I absolutely no desire to see their rematch. Worst Angle-Cena match ever. **1/4-**1/2

 

Hardy-Edge Very good. Too bad it was after a terrible feud with two (or three) completely dislikeable people. Matt Hardy's big comeback was great. I loved him wailing on Edge. ***3/4, best Hardy (either one) singles match ever.

 

Michaels-Masters Pretty bad. Masters looked good, but Michaels' comeback was among the most poorly done of his in a year or so. We've all seen that finish before. **

 

Carlito-Flair Half decent for what it was. I liked Flair finally coming off the top, that was pretty funny. However, the finish caught me off guard. Flair in no way deserves the Intercontinental Belt (based on his work right now), but if it ends that goddamned fool's reign I'm fine with it. *3/4, one of Carlito's best matches ever.

 

Tag Titles This was actually alright. The MurderdeathkillDDT was hideous. However, that lariat made Homicide go "woah". Very nasty. Hurricane looked like a hero. Too bad that will go nowhere. *3/4-**

 

Big Show-Snitsky This was actually pretty good. I liked Big Show selling the arm/Snitsky working on it. One of the trips Snitksy did on Show into the corner arm first was very nicely done. **, I really enjoyed it even though Show was blown up by the time he high-fived ZZ Top.

 

Women Abysmal when Ashley was in the ring, ALTHOUGH she got murdered on some of the stuff (including that dangerous knee brace shot to the face). 90% Trish's offense was very solid. Welcome back, Trish. *1/4

 

Decent show, not good enough going into Taboo Tuesday (the worst PPV of 2004) to make me want to buy it. The best part of this show as knowing I would get free DVDs in purchasing it.

[claydude14 0]

Looking at the card on paper before I ordered, I knew there was really no reason why I should order this pay per view. But alas, I did. I knew it would be RAW's Great American Bash; and it was. Faces winning all over the undercard and a DQ finish in the main event. The same DQ finish scenerio from the Bash where a heel bring a wepon into the ring, the face uses it on the heel, but the ref sees the face use it. Ugh. Oh well, kept me occupied for three hours I guess. The RAW moving to USA commercial at the beginning where they were all packing shit in their rooms and stuff was one of the better parts of the show, along with the Flair skits. Flair skits were definitly the highlight of the show.

[SuperJerk 0]

Instead of calling this show "Unforgiven" they should have called it "Unforgivable".

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ZING~!

[Guest *KNK*]

Punk wasn't leaving for another 3 months and it was the perfect storyline brilliantly executed.  Gibson's reign was planned in advance and Gabe shouldn't had alter plans for that cause when Gibson was around for another 6 shows (which was enough time to bang out some good matches) and since Gibson was built on being a fighting champion, it was okay for him to have a short reign.

 

Dragon will likely halt this supposed "hot shottting" and get a healthy reign...

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I read something about that earlier, actually. Seeing as how Gibson still hasn't returned to WWE yet, though, you make a good point.

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Gibson's Indy bookings end 10/6 (he has 3 more shows in ROH going against Daniels on 9/24 and potentiall the six man match later that night, Jimmy Yang (Akio) on 10/1 in Manhattan and an yet to be named challenger of his choice on his final night in Philly on 10/2).

 

So Gibson's reign was forced to be short lived...

 

I'll take Gibson's 6 week reign over Batista's 7 month reign...

[natey2k4 0]

Aries didn't hot shot the title to Punk.  Punk wasn't a hot shot reign. 

 

I'll take 2 short reigns of VALUE along with brilliant quality work over idiotic booking and horrid in ring action.

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Yeah, you're right. Aries held the belt from December 2004 to July of this year, I think. I'm just saying it suddenly went from Aries, who had held the belt for so long, to Punk (who was supposedly about to leave for WWE at the time, but turned heel and was a heel champion for a few shows until Gibson won the title from him), then the hot-shot title changes started since then.

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Yeah, but both CM Punk and James Gibson's wins were completely unexpected to most. Why? Because both were headed back to the WWE. Now, expect Danielson to keep into at least January, probably April or May.

[natey2k4 0]

Punk wasn't leaving for another 3 months and it was the perfect storyline brilliantly executed.  Gibson's reign was planned in advance and Gabe shouldn't had alter plans for that cause when Gibson was around for another 6 shows (which was enough time to bang out some good matches) and since Gibson was built on being a fighting champion, it was okay for him to have a short reign.

 

Dragon will likely halt this supposed "hot shottting" and get a healthy reign...

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I read something about that earlier, actually. Seeing as how Gibson still hasn't returned to WWE yet, though, you make a good point.

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Gibson's Indy bookings end 10/6 (he has 3 more shows in ROH going against Daniels on 9/24 and potentiall the six man match later that night, Jimmy Yang (Akio) on 10/1 in Manhattan and an yet to be named challenger of his choice on his final night in Philly on 10/2).

 

So Gibson's reign was forced to be short lived...

 

I'll take Gibson's 6 week reign over Batista's 7 month reign...

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While Gibson will probably fight someone more technically sound on his final match, I'd absolutely love to see James Gibson v. Jimmy Rave. I could see the match being awesome. James Gibson v. Alex Shelley also tickles my fancy.

[Guest *KNK*]

Aries didn't hot shot the title to Punk.  Punk wasn't a hot shot reign. 

 

I'll take 2 short reigns of VALUE along with brilliant quality work over idiotic booking and horrid in ring action.

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Yeah, you're right. Aries held the belt from December 2004 to July of this year, I think. I'm just saying it suddenly went from Aries, who had held the belt for so long, to Punk (who was supposedly about to leave for WWE at the time, but turned heel and was a heel champion for a few shows until Gibson won the title from him), then the hot-shot title changes started since then.

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Yeah, but both CM Punk and James Gibson's wins were completely unexpected to most. Why? Because both were headed back to the WWE. Now, expect Danielson to keep into at least January, probably April or May.

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Gibson was hardly a surprise. Gibson was set in stone awhile before they did the title change and thanks to Punk, there was precedent.

[Guest *KNK*]

Punk wasn't leaving for another 3 months and it was the perfect storyline brilliantly executed.  Gibson's reign was planned in advance and Gabe shouldn't had alter plans for that cause when Gibson was around for another 6 shows (which was enough time to bang out some good matches) and since Gibson was built on being a fighting champion, it was okay for him to have a short reign.

 

Dragon will likely halt this supposed "hot shottting" and get a healthy reign...

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I read something about that earlier, actually. Seeing as how Gibson still hasn't returned to WWE yet, though, you make a good point.

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Gibson's Indy bookings end 10/6 (he has 3 more shows in ROH going against Daniels on 9/24 and potentiall the six man match later that night, Jimmy Yang (Akio) on 10/1 in Manhattan and an yet to be named challenger of his choice on his final night in Philly on 10/2).

 

So Gibson's reign was forced to be short lived...

 

I'll take Gibson's 6 week reign over Batista's 7 month reign...

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While Gibson will probably fight someone more technically sound on his final match, I'd absolutely love to see James Gibson v. Jimmy Rave. I could see the match being awesome. James Gibson v. Alex Shelley also tickles my fancy.

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Shelley would be great but that's not going to happen as he's already booked. Rave and Lethal are the strongest bets however.

 

I could see Gibson putting Rave over and Rave doing a "I sent Gibson away from ROH" gimmick because it fits him.

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This thread needs to be moved to "Other Promotions" as of now.

[Guest *KNK*]

This thread needs to be moved to "Other Promotions" as of now.

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It's not like there's anything to dicuss about tonight's show. So the topic got switched to something more interesting and compelling..That's just further proof of how irrlevant tonight's PPV show was.

[cabbageboy 0]

This show was in no way as bad as GAB. Look, GAB was such a horrible show with such retarded booking that I literally TURNED OFF THE TV after seeing Benoit job to Orlando Jordan. While tonight might not have been a workrate masterpiece at least most of the booking was sensible (yes even the DQ). See, the DQ finish worked in this scenario in a way it didn't in the other times they do this stupid finish. Mainly because jobbing Cena on a nothing PPV wasn't in the cards but Angle was too strong of a challenger to just send packing after 1 job. The other times they did this it wasn't the case (namely the JBL/Batista where JBL needed to just job out and go away...and also the Lesnar/UT at UFG 2002). What did you guys want to see in the main event exactly? Angle couldn't really job given how hot he's been of late, yet the timing didn't seem 100% right to get it off Cena.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

What did you guys want to see in the main event exactly?  Angle couldn't really job given how hot he's been of late, yet the timing didn't seem 100% right to get it off Cena.

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What did you guys want to see in the main event exactly?

 

The people who paid $34.95 for it would want to see a clean finish. People DO NOT PAY for screwjob finishes. If I'm paying $34.95 for a PPV, I don't want it ending with a screwjob. You CAN get around the 'need' for a DQ finish in a PPV main event with smart booking.

 

Angle couldn't really job given how hot he's been of late, yet the timing didn't seem 100% right to get it off Cena.

 

They could have used a similar finish to the one you yourself suggested for Masters/Shawn. Cena pulls out a surprise cradle on Angle off of the anklelock, so he gets the pin, but it's in a manner that protects Angle because it caught him off-guard. He can then attack Cena after the bell to keep his heat and set up the rematch.

[Dr. Zaius 0]

It wouldn't even have to be a clean finish, just a finish that doesn't end in a DQ. A DQ in a PPV main event is just disrespecting the paying customer.

[cabbageboy 0]

The DQ sets up a rematch better than a goofy "Cena rolls Angle up" finish. Angle getting pinned period is a bad idea in this situation. It just didn't upset me as much in this situation compared to the truly idiotic JBL/Batista finish (where everyone felt they desperately needed to job out JBL).

 

Besides, the cage match was good tonight and the rest of the show had what I felt was the correct booking, so I didn't feel especially cheated by the main event (considering I called the DQ anyway).

[Damaramu 0]

Well I was there. WWE gave me tickets next to the camera and directly behind the soundboard. I'm too tired to give a proper event review.

[Dr. Zaius 0]

The DQ sets up a rematch better than a goofy "Cena rolls Angle up" finish. Angle getting pinned period is a bad idea in this situation.

 

Then it would seem the only reason this main event existed was to set up a future main event. Seems like a waste of time and money for fans.

[Enigma 0]

They need to be doing DQ finishes on TV to set up PPV matches, not DQ finishes on PPV matches to set up more PPV matches.

 

That worked back when people only paid about $10 for a wrestling ticket in the territories, but it's not smart business asking the customer to pay $34.95 once or twice a month for the same thing.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Well, apparantly I didn't miss anything tonight. I figured Angle / Cena was going to end in a bullshit finish. I'm glad Matt Hardy finally won and I'm shocked to see Ric Flair win the IC title (reminds me of when he beat Konnan at BatB 96 for the US title).

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

They need to be doing DQ finishes on TV to set up PPV matches, not DQ finishes on PPV matches to set up more PPV matches.

 

That worked back when people only paid about $10 for a wrestling ticket in the territories, but it's not smart business asking the customer to pay $34.95 once or twice a month for the same thing.

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They need to be doing DQ finishes on TV to set up PPV matches, not DQ finishes on PPV matches to set up more PPV matches.

 

And with each PPV DQ finish you slowly but surely educate people that PPV main events can end in DQ's. If people think that they'll get a screwjob finish in a PPV main event, they'll be less likely to pay to see it.

 

...but it's not smart business asking the customer to pay $34.95 once or twice a month for the same thing.

 

That's far too complicated a concept for some people to grasp.

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Forget the finish, Angle/Cena did not deliver in any way before the finish to make it a main event quality match.

 

I wanted near-falls and drama, damnit.

[RedJed 0]

Well I'm thankful I didnt order the show. Ending the ppv with that finish in Cena/Angle is ridiculous. No excuse for that, ESPECIALLY when this show looked horrible on paper to begin with so it had a major strike against it in the first place. When ppvs generally sounds bad on paper, I would be inclined to think the bookers should really turn up the notch to make a show standout, so ppv replay buys are strong.

 

I sure as hell didn't expect them to, but it would have made much more sense doing Hardy/Edge as the main event, given the finish/blowoff.

 

Now I just am curious if Hardy does in fact go to Smackdown, as Jim Ross supposedly told my ZZ Top buddy over the weekend. BTW, on a total side note, apparently good ole J.R. can smoke the herb with the best of em, so I've been told!! No joke....

[Guest JMA]

So, who's going to beat Flair for the IC title? Kerwin White? Chris Masters? Rob Conway? (Observation: WWE needs better upper-card heels.) It would be stupid to just put the belt back on Carlito (not that it was smart to have Flair win).

[Team Angle Pusher 0]

I actually think he just might drop it back to Carlito with Triple H interfering but that wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. Chris Masters might tho, since he's like the next HHH.

[Guest JMA]

I actually think he just might drop it back to Carlito with Triple H interfering but that wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. Chris Masters might tho, since he's like the next HHH.

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I hope that doesn't happen, as it would make the title switch a waste of time. They need to have Flair job the title quickly to someone young and talented.

[cabbageboy 0]

Who on Raw right now is actually young and talented though? I feel dirty thinking it but I'm thinking Flair will likely job out to Chris Masters at some point soon (maybe the first USA Raw?).

 

No one has mentioned it but what exactly is going to happen with Edge now? If Matt truly is going to Smackdown then that's it for the feud, though last night was a good ending anyway. Kane coming back and going after him again has no interest to me. I guess they could have him feud with a returning RVD over "The Best Guy To Never Really Main Event." Or maybe over the MITB briefcase.

[nl5xsk1 0]

The main reason that I think it was dumb to put the IC belt on Flair is that the CCC-RVD feud over the IC belt was a feud that pretty much wrote itself.

 

Now the CCC-RVD feud is a little more pointless, and Flair's holding a belt that there's no sensible angle for him to lose it.

[Caliban 0]

Let's focus on the positives of last night.

 

- The cage match. It surpassed my expectations as a match, it was ****, easily. Hardy was mega over by the end of the match... and HE WENT OVER. Hardy is being buried huh?

 

- The crowd. Hot all night, which always makes the average matches seem that bit better.

 

- Flair. Limo. Viagra. Steam.

 

- The "We're Moving (to USA) ad. Best thing they've done since the Wrestlemania ads. They remind me of the Titan Towers Superbowl '99 ads. Quality.

 

For me, only the finish to the main event tarnished what was a really entertaining PPV.

 

7 out of 10.