Oct. 3 UFC show in Jeapordy?

[CubbyBr 0]

UFC's proposed show for 10/3 on Spike could be in trouble as Stephan Bonnar, figured to be the biggest draw on the show, suffered a clean break of his right hand in training and won't be able to fight. Bonnar was scheduled against James Irvin in the main event for a show that now has to be seriously considered whether it's a good idea to go forward with.

 

-WrestlingObserver.com

 

I know TNA originally pushed to get that head to head slot against Raw. Any chance Spike might reconsider and give it to them now?

[Dangerous A 0]

Nope. UFC is still the darling of Spike and UFC will find some kind of replacement for Bonnar.

 

The Impact show is a replay on 10/3 anyways. I think TNA has to prove it has some ratings legs before Spike decides to let them go head to head vs. WWE. As of right now, UFC is Spike's weapon of choice against USA and WWE.

[Guest Brian]

They'll most likely move a fight from another card. My guess is Diaz/Sanchez if it's confirmed, and it's on the ropes so they might really make a push to get these guys ready in two weeks, or St. Pierre/Sherk, which was basically confirmed that Sherk would fight after he won his last fight. Meltzer's just overreacting because he wants to build his reputation and credibility as an MMA writer (while continuing to make his dollar off both pro-wrestling), so he obviously wants a big success out of the show. Realistically, a 1.0 - 1.5 should be considered a success.

[Dangerous A 0]

Looks like Meltzer still thinks the show is screwed...

 

 

Believe it or not, there really is a live UFC special on Spike on 10/3. I guess UFC and Spike are trying a new marketing technique called "if we keep it a secret from the public, they will still watch." And you thought the spirit and legacy of WCW died four years ago. In all seriousness, with 13 days to go and zero pub, what is anyone trying to accomplish going forward with that show?

 

 

From the Observer site

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Meltzer wants the UFC to compete with the WWE, but it's a win-win-win-lose for him anyways. If the UFC promotes their show heavily against the WWE, it would prove Dave was right and Dana was wrong about advertising to pro wrestling fans. If the rating is poor, it will show that the ppl who watch UF are pro wrestling fans who chose RAW. If the rating is good, then the increased advertising worked and they successfully attracted pro wrestling fans. If they don't advertise and get a bad rating, Dave will say "I told you so". The worst thing to happen for Dave is for the show to be a (relative) success without advertising - and of course, even if it is, Dave will spin-it otherwise unless it's a huge number.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Meltzer, stick to wrestling and endear its horribleness with the rest of us. You have no MMA credibility.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Meltzer, while not as credible as he is in wrestling. is still a leading MMA journalist and is sourced by many other MMA journalists. The guy has been covering it for well over a decade now, has been a UFC judge, and has ties to many of the organizations and fighters (Frank Shamrock is, I believe, one of his (better) friends.) He's pretty darn credible.

 

It's when he puts his inadequacies for being a wrestling journalist onto MMA that there comes the problems. Stop trying to convince the world what you do for a living isn't a joke, Dave.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

But he's right about it having no pub. The special is meant to be this big attempt by Spike at keeping their status as top dog on cable on Mondays, but it's had no publicity. It does make no sense for it be this big weapon in Spike's arsenal, and for them to give it zero pub.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Unless you look at it in the sense of "the UFC is trying to capture the RAW audience who will turn to SPIKE at 9:00", where it doesn't matter if there is the publicity, the fans they want to catch are going to be there already. Infact, if they DID advertise, it would announce to those fans that RAW would be gone and something else would be in their place, so they wouldn't bother tuning it at 9.

 

Of course, in the tradition sense, it makes no sense whatsoever. But maybe SPIKE isn't taking this as seriously as Vince and Dave are, and just want to see "what would happen" and see if they can actually sustain some of those initial viewers.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Perhaps I shoulda rephrased that.

 

I don't like that the guy has suddenly shifted his focus to "GO UFC!" in the "WRESTLING observer". Stick to what brought you to the dance, because UFC isn't going to get very over on Spike TV, a joke network.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Unless you look at it in the sense of "the UFC is trying to capture the RAW audience who will turn to SPIKE at 9:00", where it doesn't matter if there is the publicity, the fans they want to catch are going to be there already.  Infact, if they DID advertise, it would announce to those fans that RAW would be gone and something else would be in their place, so they wouldn't bother tuning it at 9.

 

Of course, in the tradition sense, it makes no sense whatsoever.  But maybe SPIKE isn't taking this as seriously as Vince and Dave are, and just want to see "what would happen" and see if they can actually sustain some of those initial viewers.

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Unless you look at it in the sense of "the UFC is trying to capture the RAW audience who will turn to SPIKE at 9:00", where it doesn't matter if there is the publicity, the fans they want to catch are going to be there already.  Infact, if they DID advertise, it would announce to those fans that RAW would be gone and something else would be in their place, so they wouldn't bother tuning it at 9.

 

That is one way of looking at it, but it's still crazy to put something like this out and not give it any pub at all. You'd think they'd at least advertise it to MMA fans in some form.

 

But maybe SPIKE isn't taking this as seriously as Vince and Dave are, and just want to see "what would happen" and see if they can actually sustain some of those initial viewers.

 

Spike is definitely taking this seriously, or they wouldn't have scrambled so quickly to put the special together. They didn't even think to try this until UF beat Raw in the ratings in the 24-35 demographic.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I don't like that the guy has suddenly shifted his focus to "GO UFC!" in the "WRESTLING observer".  Stick to what brought you to the dance, because UFC isn't going to get very over on Spike TV, a joke network.

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It's the 'joke network' that rules Monday nights on cable. UFC also does big numbers for gates and merch on their bigger PPV's, which in some cases outdraw WWE or at least give it stiff competition.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

But MMA fans would know about the show, anyways.

 

If SPIKE _were_ taking this seriously, then there would probably be more advertising for it, ya? I don't think the lack of advertising is an oversight on their part where it just escaped their mind to promote the show.

 

I think the whole situation is being inflated, where Dave and Vince seem to be going nuts and UFC and SPIKE are playin it cool. Too cool? It depends on what they expect. I think, given the spontaneous nature of it, it's more of an experiment than anything else. SPIKE is like "Hey, we have this audience available for us... and we are just going to give it up?? Let's throw this out and see if we can pick up some strays. If it works, fuck yeah. If it doesn't, we won't lose anything we otherwise wouldn't have lost". Whereas Dave is like "OMG! If UFC doesn't get a good number than SPIKE will drop them completely and lose faith in MMA! If they do good than Vince would go insane and I was right all along!!!!!" and Vince is like "SPIKE TV didn't pay me a billion dollars for a show that has consistently gone down in ratings for the past 4 years and are now trying to compete with me, well FUCK THEM. I'll bring back a bunch of Mega Superstars that haven't been on TV in months, to show that the WWE is fresh and hip and the kids love it". And then you have Dana White, who is like (with the signature Dana White Sleazy Grin) "SPIKE TV is going to give us money to do this shit? Git er done. If we get good ratings, great, I'll get a blowjob from one of the ring girls. If we get a bad rating, well, that's not the audience I want. I'll still get that blowjob"

[Guest Brian]

Do they even have a venue for the show yet?

 

Sleazy D~! is so great, rudo.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Sleazy D, or "Dirty Dana" as I all em, is one of my and LOTC's favourites. The guy would be a perfect manager in the WWE. He's sleazier than Bischoff and Vince and Heyman combined. Infact, if those threes essense were condensed into one human being, that human would be Dana White. God Bless Him, and may the Devil Welcome Him.

[Guest Brian]

Sleazy D, or "Dirty Dana" as I all em, is one of my and LOTC's favourites.  The guy would be a perfect manager in the WWE.  He's sleazier than Bischoff and Vince and Heyman combined.  Infact, if those threes essense were condensed into one human being, that human would be Dana White.  God Bless Him, and may the Devil Welcome Him.

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Vince and Heyman might not need Bischoff for that one...

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Are we talking about "Gold Club" Eric Bischoff? Cause, I thought we were

[Guest Brian]

I'm just saying there mioght be enough sleeze with two of those guys that the third might not be needed.

[jwpeer 0]

Rudo's rant was incredibly entertaining. The blowjob piece was comedy gold.

 

 

Dana White DOES come off as a Sleazy dude, it's undeniable. The only thing better would be gold teeth, maybe he can do some fights and lose some teeth.

[Guest Brian]

He can borrow Mayhem Miller's mouthguard.

[cameron chaos 0]

Dana White DOES come off as a Sleazy dude, it's undeniable.

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The guy works out of Vegas for two guys that run casinos. What do you expect?

 

MMA fans are aware of the SPIKE show. Disheartened Bonnar is out but aware nonetheless.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

You guys think Sleazy D in his current state is bad? That is NOTHING compared to when he used to rock the male-pattern baldness haircut. That was, like, porn-director sleazy.