Guest rawmvp Report post Posted September 27, 2005 Meltzer: "Raw drew a shockingly bad 3.2 rating last night. UFC ratings are not yet available." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slickster 0 Report post Posted September 27, 2005 Geez, Meltzer really wants this WWE-UFC feud to happen, doesn't he? It would definitely help his business, but does he have to be so obvious about it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted September 27, 2005 Geez, Meltzer really wants this WWE-UFC feud to happen, doesn't he? It would definitely help his business, but does he have to be so obvious about it? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not really. At least not yet. He has been extremely against the UFC running Monday Night in his updates about the shows progress. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Enigma 0 Report post Posted September 27, 2005 Meltzer has basically said UFC are retards for doing this Monday show. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dangerous A 0 Report post Posted September 27, 2005 Meltz has to do this sort of thing. Really, I don't see UFC and TNA being real competition just yet. However, Meltz has to portray that things are heating up in the pro wrestling business or else he stands to lose a lot of his audience. He bad mouths WWE for sure, but he can't go full monty because if he portrays that there's no hope, than why would people buy his newsletters or come to his site? They'd just give up. He has to give a glimmer of hope that either A) WWE is bad, but not hopeless or B) Play up the new competition. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted September 27, 2005 Meltzer is still totally stuck in a wrestling mindset when it comes to looking at MMA. He's thinking Monday Night Wars, where this one-time jump (in his opinion) will lead to utter failure and attach a horrible stigma to the UFC. He thinks, basically, that they are trying to compete with the WWE. Now, that may be SPIKE's intention, but UFC basically is looking at this and saying "We're getting paid to put on a show with national exposure on free TV, we get to charge advertisers, we get to sell some tickets and get some guys and I (Sleazy D) can get my beautiful mug on TV. And it's not like SPIKE's going to kick us off if we don't do so well." Well, Dana's counting money in his office right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dangerous A 0 Report post Posted September 27, 2005 Another thing is Meltz believes that the US pro wrestling audience is a bigger factor to MMA (UFC in particular) than it really is. Like HTQ said in his interview on the Danger Zone (cheap plug, go there now!) I also think UFC's audience is more boxing type guys than wrestling. It's not to say that there is zero crossover appeal, just less than what Meltz thinks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karc 0 Report post Posted September 27, 2005 UFC/TNA will be crushed, hands down. Not because WWE is giving out a good product (they aren't, and the 3.2 is showing it), but because Spike only had one night on top in the cable ratings, and now USA has it. I don't know why Meltzer, McMahon, Spike, or USA would over-react and hype this thing up as the new war, because it won't be a war. Especially with Monday Night Football. If Green Bay wasn't sucking right now, I doubt many people would even watch the USA show. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted September 27, 2005 UFC/TNA will be crushed, hands down. Not because WWE is giving out a good product (they aren't, and the 3.2 is showing it), but because Spike only had one night on top in the cable ratings, and now USA has it. I don't know why Meltzer, McMahon, Spike, or USA would over-react and hype this thing up as the new war, because it won't be a war. Especially with Monday Night Football. If Green Bay wasn't sucking right now, I doubt many people would even watch the USA show. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Define "crushed"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stahl 0 Report post Posted September 27, 2005 I also think UFC's audience is more boxing type guys than wrestling. It's not to say that there is zero crossover appeal, just less than what Meltz thinks. Meltzer has disproved this theory in his newsletter when he analyzes ratings and the demographical rating points. Boxing mainly draws viewers 50 and older, UFC and even wrestling draw an average age in the 30's with high concentration in the 18-25 age group. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benoit4hor 0 Report post Posted September 27, 2005 If Spike really wanted to compete with the WWE through MMA, they should have picked up Pride instead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted September 27, 2005 3.2 is still a bad rating, no matter what you think of the person calling it a bad rating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Fishyswa Report post Posted September 27, 2005 It isn't bad, it's bad compared to what they used to get, compared to what they can get. If the WWE ever started getting bad ratings, they wouldn't be on TV anymore. That is how it works, a show gets bad ratings, it get's canned. I never understood the talk of "horrible ratings" when talking about the highest rated show on a network. It's not the 6+ we remember, or the 4+ they have the audience for, but it's far from a bad rating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2005 Exactly. Plus, the difference between a 3.2 rating and a 32 rating is a fucking dot. Jeez, you people are such doom and gloomers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
World's Worst Man 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2005 It's bad relative to what they typically get. Obviously it's not bad in the grand scheme of cable ratings, but Nitro wasn't getting bad ratings by that standard either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Fishyswa Report post Posted September 28, 2005 But that's kind of the point, WCW's ratings were fine, until you compared them to the competitor. If you do that with the WWE right now, the ratings are super-dooper fantastic, because there is no competitor. It's all perception, but I still think bad hardly applies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
World's Worst Man 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2005 But that's kind of the point, WCW's ratings were fine, until you compared them to the competitor. If you do that with the WWE right now, the ratings are super-dooper fantastic, because there is no competitor. It's all perception, but I still think bad hardly applies. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Fishyswa Report post Posted September 28, 2005 That was a bit useless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2005 But that's kind of the point, WCW's ratings were fine, until you compared them to the competitor. If you do that with the WWE right now, the ratings are super-dooper fantastic, because there is no competitor. It's all perception, but I still think bad hardly applies. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The lack of oxygen to his brain helps with that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Fishyswa Report post Posted September 28, 2005 It's like clockwork, I guess I'm just missing those points you haven't made again... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2005 Will the move to USA actually improve the ratings though? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted September 28, 2005 Maybe by .3 or .4, but that's probably the most. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2005 Will the move to USA actually improve the ratings though? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It might even drag them down, because CSI gave Raw a great lead-in audience, and USA has nothing on Mondays that gets anywhere close to what CSI gets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Fishyswa Report post Posted September 28, 2005 Anyone know where to get the numbers of how many houses USA is in compared to Spike? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest rawmvp Report post Posted September 28, 2005 Believe it or not, Spike has slightly more penetration than USA now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dangerous A 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2005 The Observer said the difference was USA is in 88 million homes and Spike is in 87 million homes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter's Torn Quad 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2005 The Observer said the difference was USA is in 88 million homes and Spike is in 87 million homes. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And before the ill-informed here, and you know who you are, try to use this as an excuse for any ratings drop, don't even try. The difference is statistically insignificant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MillenniumMan831 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2005 Shockingly bad? I, for one, am not shocked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2005 Wow, WWE wasn't even doing this badly when they were on TBS... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted September 28, 2005 Meltzer: "Raw drew a shockingly bad 3.2 rating last night. UFC ratings are not yet available." <{POST_SNAPBACK}> <----ahem Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
