Is WWE the best promotion talent wise?

[Guest Biggles]

I may be wrong but I think WWE smokes every promotion in the world several times over talent-wise. Guy's like HHH, Angle, Benoit, Eddie, London, Punk, Burchill, Regal and so many more immensly talented wresters in the WWE. It's just that they don't seem to be allowed to put on the matches they are truely capable of.

 

RoH I'd say has the best wrestling about right now, or at least the best wrestling between WWE and TNA, but WWE has the most impressive roster on paper to me. Am I wrong in thinking that? Agree? Disagree?

[I like Forums 0]

I would agree to a degree. Definately... with the talent they've had come and go since 2001 they had the opportunity to build the BEST roster possibly of all time. Since all the cuts they've let some talent slip away.

 

But overall, they have a lot of "total packages" that are just never allowed to let loose. The problem now is that a lot of their finest talent is aging... Benoit, Eddy, Angle, Micheals, Regal, Jericho, Flair, Booker T, all these guys are much past their primes.

[haVoc 0]

It's not only age, we also see those guys on TV every week. It takes a lot to be "OMG" impressed. We take the little and big things for granted after a while.

[Guest Biggles]

I would agree to a degree. Definately... with the talent they've had come and go since 2001 they had the opportunity to build the BEST roster possibly of all time. Since all the cuts they've let some talent slip away.

 

But overall, they have a lot of "total packages" that are just never allowed to let loose. The problem now is that a lot of their finest talent is aging... Benoit, Eddy, Angle, Micheals, Regal, Jericho, Flair, Booker T, all these guys are much past their primes.

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Sometimes I think they tone down the talent's of these great wrestlers so that the younger wrestlers that are coming through their ranks doin't look as bad when they leave. Is there anyone on the WWE Roster right now under the age of 30 that could become the next Bret Hart or HBK or Flair or Angle? Maybe a few but not nearly as much as their should be.

[Guest Zarock]

I believe they do in North America (I don't know the current rosters of All Japan, New Japan, and the like). Unfortunately, they're doing everything in their power to make sure they don't utilize it. If they could actually set-up feuds between great workers against others (Micheals/Benjamin, Benoit/Regal, Spanky, London/Mexicools, Angle/Benjamin), then they'd be the best promotion ever, bar none.

[Special K 0]

They probably do have the best roster on paper right now. However, most of them are hindered by past injuries, and having to work the WWE style. Also, I tend to think this is more a statement on the sad state of puro than how good the WWE is. (there could be some great lucah companies, I don't like lucha.) And some guys only work well with one style. Regal's mostly very good in really stiff brawls with some basic grappling. Angle can have tons of really good matches, and can elevate bad opponents, but needs to be elevated to have a really 'great' match.

CM Punk is a super-solid wrestler with tremendous charisma. His feud with Samoa Joe was great. And apparently they don't think he can work. Guys like RVD, Christian, Benoit, have had their movesets drastically limited. From reading a couple recaps, it seems like matches have gotten EVEN SHORTER in the last couple of years.

When the guys in the WWE forgot how to write storylines, at least we had SD! for good wrestling a few years ago. When I quit watching the WWE, you were really lucky if you got an actual match out of the show. Fuck WWE, welcome TNA. I hear they have wrestling matches.

[Precious Roy 0]

The WWE's CRAPPY cast-offs can get prominant status in virtually any promotion of their choice, which tells you a lot about the talent other companys have to work with, and the talented lower carders (London, Spanky, Gibson coming back in, Venis, Tajiri, William Regal) would be borderline or bonafide headliners anywhere else. WWE misuses or outright wastes most of their actual wrestling talent though, so it's not like it does them any good outside of keeping potential stars away from the competition.

[Youth N Asia 0]

I think you have to give the nod to the WWE. Recognition with the name and the wrestlers goes a long way itself.

 

 

I love ROH, but it's still an indy fed. None of those guys are under legit contracts, there is nothing keeping from every one of them from quitting right on the spot.

 

With that being said, I enjoy myself at ROH shows WAY more than WWE shows.

[snuffbox 0]

The WWE's CRAPPY cast-offs can get prominant status in virtually any promotion of their choice, which tells you a lot about the talent other companys have to work with, and the talented lower carders (London, Spanky, Gibson coming back in, Venis, Tajiri, William Regal) would be borderline or bonafide headliners anywhere else.  WWE misuses or outright wastes most of their actual wrestling talent though, so it's not like it does them any good outside of keeping potential stars away from the competition.

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Those guys can headline indys because of previous national exposure, not because of their talent or others' lack thereof. Its been common practice in independants/territories for a long time.

 

When Kevin Nah shows up anywhere (wwe, TNA, indys) hes a main eventer...does that mean hes more talented than everyone else?

[Precious Roy 0]

Those guys can headline indys because of previous national exposure, not because of their talent or others' lack thereof. Its been common practice in independants/territories for a long time.

 

I understand all that, and that was the point I was making about the guys with less talent, who get great bookings on name recognition alone. But the guys I named all have the talent to star in other promotions, with or without WWE exposure. Spanky and London were headline indy stars prior to joining the E, no? As was Val Venis down in Mexico prior to the WWE.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

WWE has the most talented roster, but that's because they can, at the moment, afford to throw money at talent that in some cases they have no real interest in, and just want them because TNA or someone else does. If WWE were forced to cut their roster to the same size as, say, New Japan or All Japan, then the answer would be different, because WWE would have to choose the guys they really want, and in most cases they go with looks over talent.

[foleyfanforever88 0]

I would agree to a degree. Definately... with the talent they've had come and go since 2001 they had the opportunity to build the BEST roster possibly of all time. Since all the cuts they've let some talent slip away.

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So, if you could make a roster of say 30 wrestlers that have been employed by WWE in the past 5 years, who would you choose to make the best roster ever? I'd probably choose:

 

Angle

Benoit

Guerrero

Lesnar

Mysterio

London

Haas

Benjamin

HBK

Jericho

Regal

Tajiri

Chavo

Noble

Christian

Edge

Matt Hardy

 

And then for entertainment, and to include some big guys..

 

Foley

Rock

Batista

Undertaker

MNM

Hurricane

Kennedy

Flair

Mexicools

Big Show

 

 

I'm sure I'm forgetting a few, but I think those 30 guys plus a few divas that can wrestle would make a pretty awesome roster.

[Masked Man of Mystery 0]

Taker needs to retire already, unless he wants to manage someone calling them his charge or something

[Guest Rrrsh]

A lof of WWE's problems would be solved if HHH retired and just focused on writing.

[Guest *KNK*]

A lof of WWE's problems would be solved if HHH retired and just focused on writing.

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No it wouldn't. The biggest problem with WWE isn't Triple H's character. The biggest flaw and it's a extremely problematic flaw is simply Stephanie McMahon's inability to craft not only a shitty television but an wrestling promotion on top of that.

 

Vince McMahon either lacks the capability of seeing that his Daughter is driving his dream down the drain or doesn't care as long as his wallet gets bigger.

 

Taking Triple H off the show doesn't help the show. Look at Raw since Triple H took his hiatus...

 

Still the same horrible crap. There is an need for a complete overhaul and it doesn't even begin with removing Triple H from the show. His power is still in full effect regardless.

 

The "talent" is much larger in WWE but that's in size only. With that size roster, The total # of legitimate talent is naturally going to be higher.

 

WCW in 1998 employed over 120 workers, 30-40 of them could be considered decent to great talents but it meant shit in the grand scheme of things.

[World's Worst Man 0]

I may be wrong but I think WWE smokes every promotion in the world several times over talent-wise. Guy's like HHH, Angle, Benoit, Eddie, London, Punk, Burchill, Regal and so many more immensly talented wresters in the WWE. It's just that they don't seem to be allowed to put on the matches they are truely capable of.

 

RoH I'd say has the best wrestling about right now, or at least the best wrestling between WWE and TNA, but WWE has the most impressive roster on paper to me. Am I wrong in thinking that? Agree? Disagree?

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Depth wise, WWE probably has the most. But depth is misleading and ultimately irrelevant, because then it becomes more about quantity than quality. If we're comparing say, the top 10 or best vs. best, WWE doesn't even touch some promotions.

[Guest Rrrsh]

Since HHH left the show, Cena has be able to establish himself as the face of RAW and a very profitable champion.

 

Plus Kurt Angle and Chris Jericho were given Main Event heel roles, something that has never happened under HHH (with Angle I mena directly under HHH ). Remember that SS was Y2J's first singles Title match since he lost teh fucking thing back in 02. Angle charicter is the best it has ever been right now.

 

If HHH just writing and being creative, the show can evolve like it should. Your blind if you dont get that.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

If Triple H stopped wrestling, then WWE could get better, but they won't. It doesn't matter if Triple H is wrestling or not; unless the underlying problems with WWE are sorted out, then nothing is going to change, whether Triple H is around or not.

[Youth N Asia 0]

I don't even mind HHH wrestling and burying people...it's the 30 minutes of mic time every night saying the same thing he said every other time he talks that's killing the show for me.

[Silence 0]

I don't even mind HHH wrestling and burying people...it's the 30 minutes of mic time every night saying the same thing he said every other time he talks that's killing the show for me.

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Definitely his 30-minute stale promos. This is all it ever is whenever he's the Champion:

 

"I am-uhhh the greatest-uhhhhhh wrestler alive-uhhhh! I've beaten-uhhhh everyone who's stepped up-uhhhh to challenge me-uhhhh! I am a 10-time-uhhhh World Heavyweight Champion-uhhhhh!"

[Guest Andrew J.]

So HHH's promos are up to 30 minutes now, eh? Remember when they were only 20?

 

Even back in 2002 and 2003, I don't think he talked for a legit 20 minutes straight, if only because he was on the opening segment and that part of the show never goes that long before commercials. Thankfully, those sorts of promos have gotten shorter and less commonplace over the past two years.