OAO 10/8 Impact Thread

[tpww7 0]

Great Joe video.

[razazteca 0]

Both Strong and Aries 1st appearences on Spike tv were loses what are the new fans suppose to think of them?

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They aren't supposed to think anything of them right now, they aren't built as TNA SUPERSTARS like Daniels and Styles.

 

Samoa Joe and Daniels and AJ Styles are also RING OF HONOR stars. Abyss works ROH as well..

 

You are making a case for something that doesn't exist...

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But wasnt Aries the ROH champ?

[Guest Askewniverse]

Has Joe avenged his loss to Aries yet?

[tpww7 0]

Joe beat Aries 7/9 in ROH in NY.

[Guest *KNK*]

Both Strong and Aries 1st appearences on Spike tv were loses what are the new fans suppose to think of them?

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They aren't supposed to think anything of them right now, they aren't built as TNA SUPERSTARS like Daniels and Styles.

 

Samoa Joe and Daniels and AJ Styles are also RING OF HONOR stars. Abyss works ROH as well..

 

You are making a case for something that doesn't exist...

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But wasnt Aries the ROH champ?

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So was Samoa Joe. He's getting quite a nifty push right now...

 

What point are you trying to make? A Guy who works ROH and is a former ROH CHAMPION did a job to TNA'S #1 X Title contender and another ROH main eventer...You are grasping at invisible straws.

 

ROH has nothing to do with TNA. They might use the same talent but that's doesn't mean TNA has to *protect* ROH's "stars".

 

There is no connection.

[tpww7 0]

This looks definetly edited.

[Downhome 0]

Does JJ still say "slapnuts"?

[Papacita 0]

Nash's music is horrible.

[razazteca 0]

Both Strong and Aries 1st appearences on Spike tv were loses what are the new fans suppose to think of them?

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They aren't supposed to think anything of them right now, they aren't built as TNA SUPERSTARS like Daniels and Styles.

 

Samoa Joe and Daniels and AJ Styles are also RING OF HONOR stars. Abyss works ROH as well..

 

You are making a case for something that doesn't exist...

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But wasnt Aries the ROH champ?

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So was Samoa Joe. He's getting quite a nifty push right now...

 

What point are you trying to make? A Guy who works ROH and is a former ROH CHAMPION did a job to TNA'S #1 X Title contender and another ROH main eventer...You are grasping at invisible straws.

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Just wondering if Strong and Aries will be jobbers every week?

[Guest *KNK*]

Both Strong and Aries 1st appearences on Spike tv were loses what are the new fans suppose to think of them?

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They aren't supposed to think anything of them right now, they aren't built as TNA SUPERSTARS like Daniels and Styles.

 

Samoa Joe and Daniels and AJ Styles are also RING OF HONOR stars. Abyss works ROH as well..

 

You are making a case for something that doesn't exist...

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But wasnt Aries the ROH champ?

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So was Samoa Joe. He's getting quite a nifty push right now...

 

What point are you trying to make? A Guy who works ROH and is a former ROH CHAMPION did a job to TNA'S #1 X Title contender and another ROH main eventer...You are grasping at invisible straws.

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Just wondering if Strong and Aries will be jobbers every week?

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Considering Aries got alot of offense in tonight, a music/video enterance (unlike Strong) and already appeared as a feature player on 2 PPV's before he even signed a contract. Aries isn't destined for jobberville. Doing a job on a TV show doesn't mean anything because the purpose of the match was to showcase his ability along with Daniels living up to being the self proclaimed "Mr. TNA".

[razazteca 0]

Can Brother Devon say "TESTIFY!" or does WWE on the rights to that?

[ChrisMWaters 0]

I like how "Ray's" shirt says "Trademark This!" on the back of it.

[tpww7 0]

Why does Gail hate the Dudleys?

[Slayer 0]

Gail Kim was a face I could have gone without seeing again

[tpww7 0]

She looked hot at least.

 

And Dudleys are going to AJPW until November apparently..so there is their injury angle.

[Guest MikeSC]

Wow, wasn't THAT show more of the same of the usual Impact fare. One OK match, a piddling ME, and some exceptionally unremarkable action. I expected just that coming in and, kudos to TNA, you delivered exactly what I expected.

 

Well, maybe the show will be, you know, GOOD next time.

[Jebus 0]

One question-

 

When are these FSN (or whatever French channel it is) Impact episodes playing (in Canada)? Because Scott Keith a big stupid man said they showed the reportedly ***** triple threat from the last PPV which I was too cheap to buy.

 

Answers would be nice.

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Doesn't matter anymore...RDS (the channel) shows Spike tv's Impact 1 week late. Since they had nothing to show last Saturday, they put on the 3 way but now it's just regular Impact.

 

BTW, tonight's show felt like it was 50% commercials...c'mon Spike!

[Guest MikeSC]

It was a better match than last week's spotfest gone wrong.

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Wierd, most people enjoyed last weeks Three Way.

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As usual, you will see people who recognize the faults I found quite apparent last week appear over time.

[CanadianChick 0]

I haven't seen TNA in a long time before now, and boy, is whatever Road Dog's name is now a loser. He doesn't come off as cool in the slightest. And Billy is jacked now. When did he get that big?

 

I enjoyed the three way well enough. Aries came off fine in it. I didn't think he looked like a jobber at all. Actually, neither of the two losers came off as jobbers.

 

Abyss looks like a rip off version of Mankind, although I do like his finisher and set up move.

 

So, about that Monster's Ball match, they're locked in a dark room for 24 hours? Zuh?

[Downhome 0]

Eh, I enjoyed the show. These TNA shows take me back to the days of WCW with the crappy-decent main event scene, and a great cruiserweight division.

 

And I love Mike Tenay.

[Fro 0]

Very decent show. 3-way was better than last week. I was real impressed with Aries.

 

AMW v.s. Team 3-D was a hot tag match. Ray and Devon hit major gushers juicing so the beatdown at the end was good.

 

Nash getting choked out was markworthy.

[Guest MikeSC]

Wow.

 

The 3-way was OK. Nothing spectacular --- and this will end up being the conventional wisdom before next show finishes. AMW v 3-D was BAD. It was every friggin' Duds match over the last 3 years. They --- as I expected --- are still shit in the ring.

 

The show was --- and I'll be generous as hell here --- really mediocre.

[Guest JMA]

I enjoyed the show--there were no real bad matches this week (or last week, but there were some average ones on both shows). I thought Team 3D and AMW should've gotten more time, but I suppose they have to hold that off for the inevitable PPV match. Oh well. Judging by how hot the crowd was, the rematch should be good when it happens.

 

The X-Division is truly something special in TNA. It has nothing to do with the high-spots, the moves just look so crisp and, quite frankly, exciting.

 

Jarrett in the main event does nothing for me (big surprise there...) and needs to drop the belt soon. It would be acceptable if either Monty Brown or Raven was carrying the banner of the company. To be honest, I'm tired of wrestlers (like Jarrett) trying to emulate Ric Flair--can't there be new kinds of top heels rather than the ones we've already seen for years?

 

But despite that, the TNA product entertains much more than WWE. It's just fun to watch TNA. With WWE, I always have the feeling that the company secretly resents its fanbase, this is not the case with TNA.

[cabbageboy 0]

The Dudleys aren't really shitty, they are more just so into doing their formula tag match at this point that they can't do much else (aside from the crazed ECW PPV brawl with Dreamer/Sandman, but Heyman booked that chaos).

 

One problem is that everything on this show feels insanely rushed, like they desperately need 2 hours. I just feel like I'm settled in and then BAM, show over.

 

I also don't feel like I know any of these guys, aside from our hero Jarrett. I haven't watched much TNA stuff in the past two years or so, since they used to do the Wed. PPVs. I remember some of these guys (Siaki, Sabin, Daniels, etc) but half of these guys are faceless cruiser types that I have never heard of. They have a real problem with this: I feel as though I'd been dropped in the middle of a movie, I have no idea who some of these guys are and they don't really tell me. Who are these Team Canada guys? They didn't even get mentioned onscreen by name. People on this thread have pimped Austin Aries, but to me he just seemed like...some guy. That's my major problem from what I've seen thus far. A lot of the show is "Random X division guy fights another Random X guy, they flip around a lot, someone wins, but there is no real issue." If I had zero exposure to this fed before I wouldn't even have a concrete idea of what the X division is or what precise value the X title has.

 

I'm thinking about just taping this show and watching OVW at 11:00. To be honest, OVW is a better show. The in ring action isn't anywhere near as flashy but I think most anyone could watch an episode and see 1. Who the major players are on the show and what their goals are (beyond just whoever has the title), 2. Who is feuding with who and why.

 

Last, TNA has entirely too much of a late era WCW vibe to it. From seeing Larry Z. to Shane Douglas interviewing people, to Mike Tenay to the main event scene of Nash/Jarrett, the whole thing seems like WCW with a bunch of white boy cruisers replacing the luchadores. Do you guys realize Jarrett/Nash was the main event of Great American Bash 2000? How do the TNA bookers sleep at night knowing this stuff?

[Guest JMA]

One problem is that everything on this show feels insanely rushed, like they desperately need 2 hours.  I just feel like I'm settled in and then BAM, show over.

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A two hour show would certainly help. I'd imagine that it's harm to cram all the promos and matches into a one hour format. Perhaps they'll get that extra hour if the ratings are good. As for right now, they have a tough call to make:

 

1: They can leave things as they are.

 

2: They can cut down on the promos and focus more of the matches.

 

3: They can devote the show to establishing their main players and cut down on the matches or match times.

 

Obviously, the third option wouldn't be the right way to go. Perhaps TNA can start showing some Impact! dark matches, after the show footage, and promos exclusively on their website?

 

I still thought the show was good overall, but the format needs to be tweaked a bit.

[TNABaddboi 0]

Well I thought this week's was a decent show. I wasn't quite as blown away as last week, but I was still entertained and IMO this was still better than almost anything they showed on FSN ('cept maybe the first and last 2 episodes). Here are my thoughts on the matches:

 

Team Canada/3LK: This was a good way to get these guys out there and let them pop the fans with the catchphrases and shoe tosses. I wish we could have seen some more of Team Canada heeling it up, because Eric Young is probably the most underated heel on the roster when it comes to turning the crowd. And man, was this about the hottest TNA crowd ever? I laughed out loud when they sung the star spangled banner. That was priceless.

 

Daniels/Bentley/Aries: This was my first time seeing Aries and he held his on in there, and Daniels and Bentley are 2 of my TNA favs, so I was into this. I knew that either Sabin was going to distract Bentley or Styles was going to distract Daniels, so the finish was kinda predictable, but both guys came out looking good.

 

Abyss/Siaki: We've seen this match a few times and I always enjoy them. I'd actually like to see what these guys could do with 10 mins or so. Some people will probably say that Siaki got too much offense in after the video put him over as a monster (which is an argument i can totally see), but I don't think they should totally job Siaki. The guy's got some personality and I really think he could get back over as a solid mid-card/tag team heel.

 

Jarrett/Nash/Ortiz segment: This really slowed the show down for me. After last week's hot segment, this just came off flat to me. The brawl between Nash and Jarrett was beyond lame. They didn't come over as hating each other at all. And Ortiz's promo was horribly clipped.

 

3D/AMW: While I don't think they did a good enough job explaining to new fans why this was a dream match (where was the AMW video), for this long time viewer, this felt like a big match the likes of which TNA doesn't normally give away on free tv. I knew the non-finish was coming, but this match made me look forward to the inevitable PPv rematch. The angle after the match was ok for what it was, but if it's used as an excuse for 3D to miss the rest of the month, fans may shit on it. It just didn't look that severe. And the camera work for Kim was terrible. Tenay said "that's Gail Kim!" like four times before they showed her face.

 

All in all, like I said I thought it was a decent show. Not bad, not great. They set up an interesting angle/match with the Daniels and AJ for next week, so I'm looking forward to that.

 

BTW, TNA has already announced a line-up for next week, despite the show not being taped yet. Here it is:

 

QUICK PREVIEW FOR SATURDAY'S 'iMPACT!"

Main Event: "The Fallen Angel" Christopher Daniels in an "Ironman Challenge" against three opponents of AJ Styles' choosing!

"The Alpha Male" Monty Brown in action

Matt Bentley w/ Traci vs. David Young

"The Homicidal, Genocidal, Suicidal" Sabu vs. "The Man Beast" Rhino

More matches announced for "Bound For Glory"

Plus, appearances by NWA World Heavyweight Champion Jeff Jarrett, America's Most Wanted, Gail Kim, NWA World Tag Team Champions The Naturals, Abyss, Jeff Hardy and many more of your favorite TNA stars!

credit: TNAWrestling.com

 

Thoughts?

[AmazingRen 0]

Wow.

 

The 3-way was OK. Nothing spectacular --- and this will end up being the conventional wisdom before next show finishes. AMW v 3-D was BAD. It was every friggin' Duds match over the last 3 years. They --- as I expected --- are still shit in the ring.

 

The show was --- and I'll be generous as hell here --- really mediocre.

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Then why do you keep watching? It's like watching a movie on HBO, and hating it, but everything it comes on you still watch it because you expect it to change your mind. If you go in thinking it's going to be a bad show guess what "IT GOING TO BE A BAD SHOW!!! I'm not blind I know tonights show wasn't good, but for a TV match I felt the 3-way match was very good. If you look at next weeks preview show your probably not going to like it so I'll save you trouble of bashing it next week. YOUR WELCOME!!!

[Astro101 0]

I will give the benefit of the doubt to TNA...they've got an hour a week and they're trying to appeal to the more casual viewers first, so I'm willing to overlook the mediocre main event seen with the "old" guys. At least the X-division is still great.

 

A 2 hour show would be great, but it's not happening yet...they just have an hour and they're trying to make due with that. Wish they had that extra hour so that people won't feel so overwhelmed...guess it really is a 60 minute adrenaline rush for some.

[Placebo Effect 0]

Random thoughts and questions as I watch the show.

 

I love how HOT the crowd is, especally when compared to what WCW used to get out of Orlando for Pro and Worldwide.

 

They need to give the X Division guys something, anything, to work with gimmick wise. Call Shane "Matthew Bentley," give him a pair of sunglasses, and have him act cockier. Somthing as simple as that means a lot more than "the guy with the hot chick."

 

Tenay and West were idiots for not recognizing the "Austin Aries ... Fallen Angel" chants at the beginning of the match.

 

As much as I liked him three years ago, Sonny Siaki is so dead in the water. His ring jacket and shorts look like a bathrobe too. While it helps to have a muscular guy on the roster, the combination of white tights with the bald head make him look like a complete jobber.

 

What were they chanting at the beginning of the Abyss/Siaki match?

 

They really need to get Abyss over as a heel. The crowd is cheering for him way too much.

 

I recognize that music Ortiz came out too. Who used to use that?

 

Nash, once again, looked like a scrub and the sequence had a surprisingly small amount of heat. Ortiz wasn't even established as a guy who can stand on his own two feet when with the wrestlers. He put the chokehold on Nash from behind and grabbed Jarrett to toss him from behind.

 

Daniels came off as a little too over the top in his promo.

 

They needed a promo video of sorts for Harris and Storm. They should have emphasized that they were TNA's hottest faces since the beginning (even if they have to lie a bit).

 

I fast forwarded through the main event, but it didn't look too bad. Gail's debut wasn't bad, as having a pair of tits next to them can't hurt AMW, since we all know there's no chance her promo skills or what not will overshadow them.

 

Matt Bentley w/ Traci vs. David Young

 

Yay.

[Guest JMA]

If Jarrett is going to try to imitate Flair, he should at least do it right by adding a fourth member to his unamed group (Gail Kim doesn't count, despite being hot). It seems like the logical choices would be either a big man, a threatening enforcer, or an X-Division wrestler (so they can get all the belts). Rhino would probably be the best choice: He's had a previous alliance with Jarrett and isn't really in a big angle right now. After this, they need a name, which I'm assuming will something like "The King's Court" or "The Elite Four," or something like that. The point is that they need a name.

 

I'm thinking that everything will start to be really good after Bound for Glory. After Nash loses to Jarrett, someone can step up to take Jarrett's title. I think most of the IWC would be happy with the belt on Brown or Raven, so they should choose one of them to feud with Jarrett and his stable for two months. Normally I'd suggest that the face beat Jarrett right away, but that's not realistic. I'd go with Brown myself, having him plow right through Jarrett's group, one by one, to get a title shot. After Jarrett loses, he could continue his feud with Raven, who would be supported by brown and Team 3D. They could do the eight man tag match on an Impact! and draw a high number. Or they could save it for a PPV.