Wwe confidential

[Guest Anglesault]

There is one thing that is obvious after watching Confidential:  Michaels is one of the biggest assholes in wrestling history.  He's a total scumbag.  

 

Right there next to Bret Hart who was in Australia cutting scating anti-WWF promos while his mother was on her deathbed.

[Guest]

One reason I'm sure Shawn just now admitted to it, is that he simply isn't in the WWE locker room anymore, and from the way he talks, won't ever be again.

 

Right after the screwjob, the locker room was full of tension (duh) and a LOT of wrestlers were pissed, and I'm sure if Shawn just admitted that he was in on it, he would've gotten his ass kicked by someone like Taker who actually threatened to kick Vince's ass to his face if he didn't go apologize to Bret. When Shawn denied it last it was an RF video shoot, but I'm pretty sure he did that shoot interview at the time he was planning on making his comeback

[Guest graph9]

HBK is a bytch ayz prick..of course he is going to come out years later and say with a smirk..he knew all along..he has nothing to lose..his career is over with, it's safe now. But he was acting like a wuss..when confronted that night and of course he lied his ayz off..because he knew Bret was about to beat him down..

 

But HHH, Vince and HBK don't give a dayum..and still don't...they got what they wanted..Vince "saved" his company, and it went to greater heights...HBK finally got to be the number 1 guy..after years of being number 2..in Bret's shadow..and he probably liked screwing Bret over..because he seems like a jealous guy..and HHH..another jealous guy..finally got a taste of popularity..kissing ayz along the way..

 

And they say Bret keeps going on and on about it..but what about Vince..he seems to be renacting the incident every chance he gets..the most infamous one..when benoit and SC had their match..it's probably on his mind often 2..more than he would care 2 admit..Both Vince and HBK are such the liars...because they can't keep their stories straight on what happened..and they don't have the guts to say any of it to Bret's face..but wouldn't you be at least a little bitter..after working for a company all of those years and have it end like that..i know i would..

[Guest]

Right there next to Bret Hart who was in Australia cutting scating anti-WWF promos while his mother was on her deathbed.

 

I don't see how you compare the two but since you're obviously anti-Bret Hart I guess anything that makes Bret look bad makes sense to you.

 

Listening to guys who worked with Shawn and Bret is probably the best way to figure out what kind of person Shawn or Bret were. From an overall standpoint Shawn was a dirtbag peice of shit (which he has now come out and admitted though from his performance last night I guess not much has changed).

 

On the other hand I haven't heard a lot of bad stuff about Bret from the people he's been around excluding Dynamite who had problems with Bret because of Dynamite's book which bashed Stu Hart and Diana Hart who seems to be a money hogging dirtbag from what she's done to cash in on her family so I don't even really consider her.

 

Also the WWF, Vince McMahon, and Hickenbottom have changed their stories numerous times, Bret's has remained the same, gee I wonder who's lying. It was also revealed from Bret Hart's reply to Jack Brisco's Slam interview that Bret didn't have a problem jobbing in Canada, this is from Bret Hart's mouth

[Guest Anglesault]

I don't see how you compare the two but since you're obviously anti-Bret Hart I guess anything that makes Bret look bad makes sense to you.

 

Shawn: Helped Vince take the title off a man that was leaving the company

Bret: Ignored his dying mother to ran and rave on a topic no one wanted to hear about. (And yes, I think he did eventually come home, but that's nott he point)

 

Yeah, I guess they can't be compared.

[Guest goodhelmet]

And once again Anglesault refuses to address the topic.

[Guest]

Shawn: Helped Vince take the title off a man that was leaving the company

Bret: Ignored his dying mother to ran and rave on a topic no one wanted to hear about. (And yes, I think he did eventually come home, but that's nott he point)

 

Yeah, I guess they can't be compared.

 

No the two can't be compared, how the hell did Bret "ignore his dying mother". Owen's and Helen's deaths haunt him to this very day. A rule in wrestling is if you're not the number one wrestling company then you take shots at number 1 in hopes that you'll be able to compete with them. Do you really think Bret was cutting those promos to get support for his side in Montreal, he was cutting those promos for the same reason ECW cut anti-wwf and anti-WCW promos back in there day. He wasn't talking about because he wanted to express his views about Montreal.

 

I know you like so may others think that it's some sort of mission that Bret Hart is on to destroy the WWF by badmouthing it every possible chance he gets (after all that is the typical WWF propaganda) and he ignores anything else in his life because he needs to complete the mission and that he has devoted his life to it but no matter how much you may beleive that, it's not true.

[Guest Anglesault]

No the two can't be compared, how the hell did Bret "ignore his dying mother". Owen's and Helen's deaths haunt him to this very day. A rule in wrestling is if you're not the number one wrestling company then you take shots at number 1 in hopes that you'll be able to compete with them. Do you really think Bret was cutting those promos to get support for his side in Montreal, he was cutting those promos for the same reason ECW cut anti-wwf and anti-WCW promos back in there day. He wasn't talking about because he wanted to express his views about Montreal.

 

I don't care why he cut the promo, I care that he did cut the promo. What the FUCK was he doing in Austrailia while his mother was dying in Calgary?

[Guest Sandman9000]

He was earning a paycheck the only way he can now.

[Guest Brian]

Bret's basically financially secure right now, plus the school is in operation if he has any money problems. He doesn't have to go out and do that stuff anymore.

[Guest Sandman9000]

People get bored.  Why do you think that so many former athletes, who retire at the age of 35, go into TV?  It's because it is something to do, and it is an easy paycheck.  Bret may not need the money, but he needs something to do.

[Guest graph9]

Alot of people always try to find things to justify that Bret deserved what he got..he didn't..that so called genius Vince shouldn't have agreed to it in the 1st place..it's his company ..Bret was an employee..I would be mad as hell to..if wrestling was my whole life and i worked for a company that F&*% me over like that..and the people that did it are so smug about it..especially HBK..who needs a good ayz kicking..Bret for all that i have read never kissed ayz..or conspired to hold anybody down and he worked his way up through the company the hard way. i think it was like 7 years before he got the title..considering how fast Kurt got it.. and he was well liked by the other wrestlers..with exceptions and always willing to lay down..until clashing with HBK.

 

But one thing i have noticed about all of this..who ever is number 1 better watch their back..there is always someone jealous willing to do anything 2 take your place..kind of like those rumors..probably true of HHH jealous of the rock..

[Guest]

I don't care why he cut the promo, I care that he did cut the promo. What the FUCK was he doing in Austrailia while his mother was dying in Calgary?

 

Yes I forgot that it's okay that Vince and the WWf talk about Bret and rehash Monteal for the last 5 years but Bret is Satan for even mentioning the WWF, gee I'm so sorry.

 

What was he doing in Australia while his mother was dying, uhh fulfilling contractual obligations maybe???

 

First of all how much do you exactly know about this or are you (no insult intended) talking out of your ass. Now I'm not exacty sure on every detail about this either but was Bret in Australia when he got word that his mother was sick or did he know before he left, after Helen was in the hospital for a while weren't there reports that she was going to be okay after all?

 

Was Bret with Helen in her last days, from what I remember he was but maybe he wasn't I'm not entirely positive. I think the most important question here however, is it right that we sit here and analyze and dissect something that when you really look at it is not our business and really makes those that are criticizing Bret for what is probably a real tragic, personal moment in his life to be crummy people.

[Guest Anglesault]

What was he doing in Australia while his mother was dying, uhh fulfilling contractual obligations maybe???

 

I'm sure they would have let him taken the show off to be with his mother.

[Guest]

I'm sure they would have let him taken the show off to be with his mother.

 

Well that's nice that you're "sure" they would have but once again I must ask how much about the entire thing do you know?

[Guest]

but since you're obviously anti-Bret Hart I guess anything that makes Bret look bad makes sense to you.

Well, from listening to you, you're obviously anti-Shawn. Shawn was awesome and, maybe, dont ya thing bret could've changed his story too? Or maybe his was false from day one? Who know, you dont, i dont; I say, who cares? It happened years ago and everyone but Bret could give less than a fuck now (minus net fans, mind).

[Guest]

Well, from listening to you, you're obviously anti-Shawn. Shawn was awesome and, maybe, dont ya thing bret could've changed his story too? Or maybe his was false from day one? Who know, you dont, i dont; I say, who cares? It happened years ago and everyone but Bret could give less than a fuck now (minus net fans, mind).

 

Shawn Michaels was an awesome wrestler, one the best, I'll never dispute that. I'm not making up that Shawn was a dick, I listen to wrestler interviews, guys who've worked along side of him, some got along with him but a lot didn't. Shawn's own friends turned on him because they remember what he was like, Shawn himself revealed that he was a dick what more do you need?

 

After reading and hearing all that stuff about Shawn how can you not even consider that maybe Shanw wasn't "awesome" maybe he was an ass? Until I hear Bret's colleagues complain about Bret being an asshole my opinion stands.

[Guest Anglesault]

Until I hear Bret's colleagues complain about Bret being an asshole my opinion stands.

 

Will you just totally discredit it like you did with Dynamite and Dianna?

[Guest caboose]

They didn't even fucking show confidential here in England.

Instead we got Afterburn, BottomLine and Velocity all in a row.

That sucked.

[Guest]

I didn't discredit Dynamite kid, but I understand his opinions were formed not from working with Bret but because of their conflicts over stuff Dynamite's book that Bret thought spoke badly on his family.

 

If you can't see how much of a money grubbing piece of crap Diana made herself out to be then I don't know what to say to you. She put down her entire family and kissed Vince's ass all over as if it were ambrosia just so she could get a big payday. Anyway's Diana Hart was not one of Bret's colleagues so I don't even know why you brought her up again.

[Guest]

You beat me to it caboose, velocity was ok but bottomline (which had already been on on saturday) and afterburn were a waste of time.

 

:kicks sky sports:

[Guest caboose]

My Digital Cable guide said the first show was Afterburn and the second was Bottomline, so I got excited about the third.

But it was Velocity and it sucked.

Tajiri/Kidman was good though, except for the break.

WTF?

Breaks in matches are strictly WCW are they not?

Oh yeah I forgot, the WWF is based on WCW nowadays.

[Guest]

Yeah teh break pissed me off too but i was prepared for that from what people had already said about it, the end to the match was retarded though, but not quite as bad as coles commentary, turned it off after val - holly.

 

Still it would have been better if they had just shown confidential plus the first half of velocity.

[Guest]

It was also revealed from Bret Hart's reply to Jack Brisco's Slam interview that Bret didn't have a problem jobbing in Canada, this is from Bret Hart's mouth

Have you ever seen Bret's documentary Wrestling with Shadows? It's obvious from the interview about Brisco that Bret likes changing his story too... why? Because he specifically says "not in Canada, and not to Shawn." He mentions this several times, talking about how he wanted to leave a hero in his own country, and to lose, it would be the equivelant of "raping him in the ring." " I wont... I won't let them rape me." "From a character standpoint it would be like blowing my brains out." Why did he not want to job to Shawn? Because he didn't like him, and because Shawn didn't want to job to Bret. Yeah, that sucks. I would be pissed too, but sometimes you've gotta suck in your pride and do the job because not only is it the right thing to do, but because your BOSS TOLD YOU TO DO IT.

 

In the end, I support Vince's decision to a certain degree... but I don't like the way he did it. I can't like the way he did it because I was a fan of Bret's and still am to this day. In the end, I think both were wrong to a certain extent. It was a matter or pride and egos. Both men didn't want to budge, and in the end, the BOSS got his way... I'm not defending Vince because I think we all know he can be a piece of shit sometimes (what promoter isn't?) but he was technically right. Why? Because Bret, although champion, didn't own the belt. It wasn't his property. It was Vince's, and Vince had the say so. Bret can use the "reasonable creative control" excuse all he wants... but the key word is "reasonable." It wasn't reasonable for Bret to refuse to job on the way out.

 

Oh yeah, and I heard somebody mention on the board yesterday about how Vince Russo did the EXACT same thing to Hogan, and all of you praise him for it...

 

I don't think anyone responded. It would be nice to hear an argument about this on the other side

[Guest]

Right there next to Bret Hart who was in Australia cutting scating anti-WWF promos while his mother was on her deathbed.

I think there's more to this story than we all know about, so I think we should all refrain in even debating about it. There could've been other factors contributing. Either way, I don't have an opinon on it because I haven't really heard Bret's side of the story, and until we ever hear him explain it, I think we should refrain in criticizing him for this

[Guest Anglesault]

Oh yeah, and I heard somebody mention on the board yesterday about how Vince Russo did the EXACT same thing to Hogan, and all of you praise him for it...

 

I don't think anyone responded. It would be nice to hear an argument about this on the other side

Yeah, I'm the one who brought it up. I'd like a response

[Guest Anglesault]

I didn't discredit Dynamite kid, but I understand his opinions were formed not from working with Bret but because of their conflicts over stuff Dynamite's book that Bret thought spoke badly on his family.

 

If you can't see how much of a money grubbing piece of crap Diana made herself out to be then I don't know what to say to you. She put down her entire family and kissed Vince's ass all over as if it were ambrosia just so she could get a big payday. Anyway's Diana Hart was not one of Bret's colleagues so I don't even know why you brought her up again.

And your anti-Shawn info is all from people who didn't like Shawn. Should I say nothing you pointed out counts because the people were biased?

 

And Diana Hart may not be a co-worker, but she is FAMILY. Who is a better judge of a man's character than his family?

[Guest]

And Diana Hart may not be a co-worker, but she is FAMILY. Who is a better judge of a man's character than his family?

Well with all due respect, Diana's book is a piece of crap. I read it, and burned it. She has so many factual errors it becomes tiring counting them all. She clearly didn't know what she was talking about through most of it. I wouldn't take ANYTHING seriously from that book, because you can tell that she just had a biased agenda

[Guest]

And your anti-Shawn info is all from people who didn't like Shawn. Should I say nothing you pointed out counts because the people were biased?

 

And Diana Hart may not be a co-worker, but she is FAMILY. Who is a better judge of a man's character than his family?

 

I think you misread what I wrote, I didn't say Dynamite doesn't count because he didn't like Bret therefore he is biased, I said that Dynamite had problems with Bret because of stuff that had nothing to do with wrestling, Dynamite put down stu in his book and Bret retaliated by saying that despite the fact Dynamite's a great wrestler hu must be brain dead if he means what he said about Stu. There conflict has nothing to do with Bret Hart as a profesional wrestler.

 

Why doesn't Diana count because how is it anybody's business what Bret was possibly like outside the company, I don't care what any of the wrestlers are like outside of the company it's what you do when you come to work that counts.

 

Have you ever seen Bret's documentary Wrestling with Shadows? It's obvious from the interview about Brisco that Bret likes changing his story too... why? Because he specifically says "not in Canada, and not to Shawn." He mentions this several times, talking about how he wanted to leave a hero in his own country, and to lose, it would be the equivelant of "raping him in the ring." " I wont... I won't let them rape me." "From a character standpoint it would be like blowing my brains out." Why did he not want to job to Shawn? Because he didn't like him, and because Shawn didn't want to job to Bret. Yeah, that sucks. I would be pissed too, but sometimes you've gotta suck in your pride and do the job because not only is it the right thing to do, but because your BOSS TOLD YOU TO DO IT.

 

My understanding always was that first and foremost the problem was jobbing to Shawn and then jobbing on his turf to Shawn, it was like "not only are you gonna job me to some jerk who said in my face he would never job for me but you're gonna job me to him in front of my family and friends and in Canada where I'm considered a huge face and this will my last match here and I'll never get a return for the job from a guy who got away with any and all unprofessionalism throughout his top run"

 

I don't know, amybe that's all based on interpretation of what he said.

 

From what I understood Bret was willing to job the title whether it be in Canada to any other opponent or on Monday Night to Shawn after winning their bout at Survivor series so you can't say Bret was straight up unwilling to job the belt to anybody.

 

Some people feel that if your boss tells you to do it then you do it, I don't know if I wholeheartedly agree with that, especially in the wrestling business where a lot of things aren't like they are in any normal job. I think guys who allow themselves to be pushovers for the boss all the time end up like Terry Taylor in a chicken suit or like Owen Hart, forever in the midcard. I mean the boss told Bret to be a Canadian cowboy what if he had listened to him then.

 

I don't know maybe your opinion and my opinion are just so different that we can't really come to terms on this and I think we're both right in our own ways.

[Guest]

What's with all this return job bullshit? Wrestling isnt an eye for an eye kind of deal, Vinnie's paying you and you do what he says - end of story.