EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 19, 2005 Blalock for Beckett straight up should be fine. If I'm Texas then I don't want to get rid of Diamond, nor do I want Lowell's contract. Texiera just won a glove at first base but his natural position was third base. He could always go back to third and they can have Adrian Gonzales play first base. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But why should the Marlins take Blalock? He's played 252 games on the road, and hit .238/.296/.396 in the process. And you would trade your second best pitcher to bring this guy to one of the toughest hitters' parks in the Majors? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted November 19, 2005 Looking at Blalock's three year splits, yeah, he's been pretty bad on the road. But, he's only 24, and since the Marlins seem to be looking to the future it doesn't seem like such a bad deal. They dump Lowell's contract, and get this Diamond kid as well. You can never have too many good pitching prospects, even if you can't use them all they're grade A trade bait. Plus, they figure to break the bank for Willis and Cabrera, Beckett will probably be too expensive for them down the road. For Texas, unless Lowell was a product of "enhancement" I have to think he'll rebound from last year and put up respectable numbers, especially in Arlington. They really need an ace, and Beckett is a damn good pitcher when he's healthy. The one concern is all the nagging injurys he seems to get. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Failed Bridge 0 Report post Posted November 19, 2005 But why should the Marlins take Blalock? He's played 252 games on the road, and hit .238/.296/.396 in the process. And you would trade your second best pitcher to bring this guy to one of the toughest hitters' parks in the Majors? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The Marlins need another bat, and Beckett is never healthy enough to fully utilise his talents. I feel its a fair trade from both sides Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 19, 2005 But why should the Marlins take Blalock? He's played 252 games on the road, and hit .238/.296/.396 in the process. And you would trade your second best pitcher to bring this guy to one of the toughest hitters' parks in the Majors? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The Marlins need another bat, and Beckett is never healthy enough to fully utilise his talents. I feel its a fair trade from both sides <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 1. Lowell hit .236/.298/.360 last year. That's slightly worse than Blalock's career road line. The only difference is that this was Lowell's worst season, and Blalock's done this for four years. If you're going to trade a potential ace because you need a bat, shouldn't you get one that's shown an ability to hit the ball when not facing lefties in Arlington? 2. Beckett made 29 starts this year and compiled a 3.38 ERA. He made 26 starts last year. We're not talking about Kerry Wood here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Failed Bridge 0 Report post Posted November 19, 2005 how many of those starts did he come out real early because of blisters though? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Failed Bridge 0 Report post Posted November 19, 2005 He average 6ip per start in the 05 season, which was his best. He's got very good stuff but he's never proven he can be that Ace that can give you 200IP. I think he and Blalock are about equal in value. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Failed Bridge 0 Report post Posted November 19, 2005 Red Sox apparently have interest in Beckett too. link The Florida Marlins annually find a way to put an entertaining team on the field. But the problems with funding a stadium -- complicated by the hurricanes of the last two years -- prevent them from being able to compete in the payroll levels of the Phillies and Mets. So to clear payroll and make it possible to sign Dontrelle Willis and Miguel Cabrera to long-term contracts, sources indicate that Florida is deep in trade discussions involving Josh Beckett and Carlos Delgado. To get Beckett, the trading partner has to take Mike Lowell's contract, which has nearly $18 million remaining over the next two seasons. Beckett is a four-year arbitration-eligible player who made $2.4 million in 2005. Right now, the two teams hottest on Beckett are Texas and Boston. The Rangers would deal third baseman Hank Blalock, but thus far have balked at dealing either of their two prize pitchers, John Danks or Thomas Diamond. From the Red Sox, the Marlins want shortstop Hanley Ramirez and a young pitcher, either Jon Lester or Anibel Sanchez. The three teams interested in Delgado are the Orioles, Mets and Yankees. "Florida is being very aggressive, trying to beat everyone into the market," a GM for another team said. "Once again, they are being very creative." If they expect a team to take on all of Lowell's contract then they can't be asking for two top prospects from the Red Sox and one top prospect with Hank Blalock from Texas. I'd be ok with Hanley Ramirez and David Pauley going to Florida, but not Lester or Sanchez. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted November 19, 2005 Josh Beckett has already proven he has what it takes. He carried a team throughout the entire 2003 playoffs, recording in succession: A CG season saving win against the Cubs in Game 5 of the NLCS. A relief appearance in Game 7 to shut the door of the NLCS. A strong outing in the World Series that was lost by the bullpen. And finally the CG Shutout victory over the Yankees to clinch the WS. He also happened to be 15-8 last year with 178.7 IP. Oh, and hello, he's 25 years old. Nolan Ryan had problems with blisters too early in his career and look how that turned out. The injuries Beckett has are blisters and abdominal strains - no problems with his arm or legs or anything that can have an effect on his pitching long term. To say he is equal with Blalock is one of three things: 1) Complete and total stupidity 2) Grasping on to the injury concept and trying to run with it when there isn't as much substance there as you would like or 3) Trying to argue with Al no matter the circumstance. Blalock straight up for Beckett - you gotta be fucking joking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Failed Bridge 0 Report post Posted November 19, 2005 Mik, you're an absolute homer though so your opinion doesn't matter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Failed Bridge 0 Report post Posted November 19, 2005 infact you've never added anything of substance. I don't know how you stayed off my ignore list until now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted November 19, 2005 No, I'm not an absolute homer. You're just wrong. Awww...baby doesn't like being told he's wrong. Better put me on his ignore list right next to other prominent items like self respect, females, and the outside world. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted November 19, 2005 Psst, FFMS can't see you. You are a Marlins homer though. Doesn't mean you're wrong about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruiser Chong 0 Report post Posted November 19, 2005 2. Beckett made 29 starts this year and compiled a 3.38 ERA. He made 26 starts last year. We're not talking about Kerry Wood here. Hey! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2005 Only losers have ignore lists. Beckett >>>> Blalock. End of story. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2005 Lots of Frigid Soul goodness tonight. Let's see... how many of those starts did he come out real early because of blisters though? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Zero. He average 6ip per start in the 05 season, which was his best. He's got very good stuff but he's never proven he can be that Ace that can give you 200IP. I think he and Blalock are about equal in value. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Beckett pitched 184.7 innings total in 2003. Blalock hasn't proven he can hit on the road. infact you've never added anything of substance. I don't know how you stayed off my ignore list until now. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Mik made several good points, and this is your best response? Grow up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2005 Al, be careful or he will ignore you too. Seriously, FFMS, you're not the guru of baseball. Al's closer to it than you, so you can just go away, ok? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2005 Al, now you've done it. On the ignore list you go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2005 Dallas Morning News is reporting that the deal will be finalized by Monday. Beckett/Lowell for Danks/Blalock. I'm not too thrilled about it, but Danks should be a good fit for Florida. Lowell will produce in Texas, I'm sure of it, and I'm practically convinced that Beckett is going to reel off 3 Cy Youngs. The talent is certainly there... Damn it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2005 That sucks. Well, atleast you save some money. Maybe now you'll get to keep Delgado. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2005 Well, the Marlins will save about $10 Million in the process. Let's see if they put it to good use. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treble 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2005 They can put it towards that new stadium of their's! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2005 Ha! Considering I don't live in Florida and have only been in the state once, I hope the team moves to a place that appreciates them. They also need to get Loria out of the owner's box...he just doesn't want to spend the money it's going to take to win. Let me put it this way...the way things are shaping up...if Delgado also goes, the Marlins will have a very young exciting team with a very young manager. Who knows what can happen? It could turn out great and all the prospects can contribute or they can be awful. At least it will be interesting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mike546 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2005 Yankees sign Jose Veras to a one year deal. The thing is, I have no clue who in the hell he is, beside the fact hes supposed to improve our bullpen. Anybody know about this guy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2005 Yankees sign Jose Veras to a one year deal. The thing is, I have no clue who in the hell he is, beside the fact hes supposed to improve our bullpen. Anybody know about this guy? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I honestly had never heard his name until just now. Veras was a decent prospect in the Devil Rays' organization but apparently stalled in 2004. The Devil Rays made him a reliever, but let him go after the season. The Rangers used Veras as a reliever full time in Oklahoma, where he struck out 72 batters in 61 2/3 IP. Veras has control issues but a real live arm. This is an encouraging acquisition for the Yankees, as this is exactly the type of way a smart organization builds a bullpen. Get a few of these guys, pay them the minimum, and if one or two pay off you're set. Once in a while, one of these guys turns into a Bobby Jenks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest StylesMark Report post Posted November 20, 2005 Didn't I hear talks of the Yanks trying to pick up BJ Ryan for the pen? I'm trying to think here...Johnson (lord knows what they'll get from him this year), Mussina (same boat), Wright (waste of money), Pavano (so far, much of the same) and I;m guessing they keep Chacon in the rotation. Now, I'd keep Wang and Small in the pen, which either can start of they have to and Rivera will close. Gordon is probably gone... BJ Ryan, a good fit the the setup role, and if he can hang in there, the Closer's role is his in 2 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruiser Chong 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2005 Well, the Marlins will save about $10 Million in the process. Let's see if they put it to good use. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, at least they've got the funds now to resign Juan Encarnacion! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2005 Yankees sign Jose Veras to a one year deal. The thing is, I have no clue who in the hell he is, beside the fact hes supposed to improve our bullpen. Anybody know about this guy? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I honestly had never heard his name until just now. Veras was a decent prospect in the Devil Rays' organization but apparently stalled in 2004. The Devil Rays made him a reliever, but let him go after the season. The Rangers used Veras as a reliever full time in Oklahoma, where he struck out 72 batters in 61 2/3 IP. Veras has control issues but a real live arm. This is an encouraging acquisition for the Yankees, as this is exactly the type of way a smart organization builds a bullpen. Get a few of these guys, pay them the minimum, and if one or two pay off you're set. Once in a while, one of these guys turns into a Bobby Jenks. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> This is the kind of signing you never would have seen from the Yankees the past couple years, and I'm guessing it's a direct result of Cashman returning with the promise of more autonomy in decision making/less interference from Tampa who knows if it pays off, but you're right, it's creative and low risk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2005 Well, the Marlins will save about $10 Million in the process. Let's see if they put it to good use. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, at least they've got the funds now to resign Juan Encarnacion! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 10 million dollars, enough for the owner to buy that new oriental rug he had his eye on! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest OSIcon Report post Posted November 20, 2005 Didn't I hear talks of the Yanks trying to pick up BJ Ryan for the pen? I'm trying to think here...Johnson (lord knows what they'll get from him this year), Mussina (same boat), Wright (waste of money), Pavano (so far, much of the same) and I;m guessing they keep Chacon in the rotation. Now, I'd keep Wang and Small in the pen, which either can start of they have to and Rivera will close. Gordon is probably gone... BJ Ryan, a good fit the the setup role, and if he can hang in there, the Closer's role is his in 2 years. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> According to this arcticle, Ryan isn't interested in the Yankees if he can't close: http://www.nynewsday.com/sports/baseball/y...-yankees-bigpix Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruiser Chong 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2005 Wow, are the Marlins really looking to slash $25 million off their payroll? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
