Chris Carpenter wins NL Cy Young

[MikeJordan23]

The right choice, IMO. He was the best pitcher for the majority of the season, until he fell off a bit in September.

 

Carp 132 votes

WIllis 112 Votes

Clemens 40 votes

[EVIL~! alkeiper]

I apologize for any formatting problems.

 

Voting results ¬

Player, Club 1st 2nd 3rd Points

Chris Carpenter, Cardinals 19 12 1 132

Dontrelle Willis, Marlins 11 18 3 112

Roger Clemens, Astros 2 2 24 40

Roy Oswalt, Astros 2 2

Chad Cordero, Nationals 1 1

Andy Pettitte, Astros 1 1

 

Some odd third place votes. No arguments here again, as any of the top three would have been acceptable choices. Looking at the voting, all of those third place votes came at the expense of Roger Clemens.

[Guest Leelee]

I still think Clemens should have won.

[Cheech Tremendous]

Clemens absolutely should have won, just as Santana should have in the AL. I really hate the majority of baseball writers. Why can't they, like everyone else, realize that its the 21st century and that we have better ways on analyzing player performance than wins and losses?

[sfaJack]

Why? Carpenter and Willis were better than him in most every category but ERA. And they pitched more than 6 innings per start.

[Cheech Tremendous]

2005 VORP

 

1. Clemens, 80.6

2. Pettite, 72.4

3. Carpenter, 68.4

4. Willis, 68.1

[Guest Fishyswa]

"Why can't they, like everyone else, realize that its the 21st century and that we have better ways on analyzing player performance than wins and losses?"

 

The point of the game is to win, it should be a major part of considering any award related to how well the game is played.

[Slayer]

Thanks John Krukyswa

[Guest Leelee]

Clemens average 6.5 innings per start. I find that to be enough. It's nearly the same as what Colon had.

 

ERA is undoubtedly the #1 stat when dealing with starting pitchers. It's beyond me why "experts" put the most emphasis on wins... which, pitchers don't even have control over!

 

Clemens was nearly 1 entire run better than Willis & Carpenter... that's too big of an advantage to ignore.

[MikeJordan23]

ERA is undoubtedly the #1 stat when dealing with starting pitchers. 

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No it isn't. Regular ERA is overrated in certain aspects. Adjusted ERA is a better component to use for evaluating a pitcher. And neither is the top stat while looking at pitchers.

 

And wins are...blah...almost nothing to me.

[Brett Favre]

When you pitch less innings, you're less likely to be scored on. Carpenter deserved it.

[Guest Leelee]

ERA is undoubtedly the #1 stat when dealing with starting pitchers. 

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No it isn't. Regular ERA is overrated in certain aspects. Adjusted ERA is a better component to use for evaluating a pitcher. And neither is the top stat while looking at pitchers.

 

And wins are...blah...almost nothing to me.

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I'm speaking more of commonly used stats... I know Al can post the many formulas there are out there. Besides, adjusted ERA would only further help Clemens, I would think, since Minute Maid is a launching pad.

[Bored]

Roger Clemens

 

Component ERA: 1.99

WHIP: 1.01

Value Over Replacement Player: 80.6

Runs Saved Above Average: 56

Fielding Indpendent Pitching ERA: 2.85

ERA+: 247

Win Shares (pitching only): 25.5

 

Andy Pettite

 

ERC: 2.40

WHIP: 1.03

VORP: 72.5

RSAA: 47

FIP: 3.05

ERA+: 194

WS: 24.4

 

Dontrelle Willis

 

ERC: 2.73

WHIP: 1.13

VORP: 68.2

RSAA: 44

FIP: 2.97

ERA+: 165

WS: 25.1

 

Chris Carpenter

 

ERC: 2.49

WHIP: 1.06

VORP: 68.5

RSAA: 41

FIP: 2.88

ERA+: 163

WS: 22.7

[MikeJordan23]

ERA is undoubtedly the #1 stat when dealing with starting pitchers. 

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No it isn't. Regular ERA is overrated in certain aspects. Adjusted ERA is a better component to use for evaluating a pitcher. And neither is the top stat while looking at pitchers.

 

And wins are...blah...almost nothing to me.

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I'm speaking more of commonly used stats... I know Al can post the many formulas there are out there. Besides, adjusted ERA would only further help Clemens, I would think, since Minute Maid is a launching pad.

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Oh yeah, I know. I'm just saying

 

And Chris Carpenters final stats are a little misleading, cause he was easily better than Willis for the majority of the season. And Carpenter was better than Pettitte too. Chris' fall off at the end (For whatever reason, which I lean towards boredness and experimenting, considering how well he pitched in the playoffs) is why his whip and ERA are higher and his K/bb ratio went down a bit, same with BAA and OPSA.

 

For most of the season his era was around 2.20, WHIP under 1, and BBA was around .220, and K rate was close to 9 per 9 innings.

[Dogbert]

Way to go, Carp.

 

Why couldn't he pitch like that with the Jays?

[Vampiro69]

There hasn't been baseball in Canada since 1993.