Shelton Benjamin v. Trevor Murdoch

[Guest Desperate Housewife]

I'm guessing Shelton is in the doghouse for reasons not yet known besides racism.

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He was caught playing videogames backstage. Or something.

 

 

Seriously, it was in the Torch a few weeks back that he had turned down a Dave Chappelle type gimmick, and people got pissed off. Personally I think he's worthless and no great loss, so, whatever

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

We all know how Vince feels about African-Americans in that skit in Survivor Series.

 

Shelton doesn't need charisma to get over, all he needs is his wrestling as you saw in his matches with HBK, Wrestlemania 21(Where he arguably stole the show), Jericho, Christian, and HHH.

 

Shelton is very good on the mic, if you heard him in his WGTT days, but hasen't really been given a chance.

[Dangerous A 0]

Actually, Vince and Co. usually punish people for turning down their very unoriginal ideas. That is nothing new.

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Shelton hasn't been given much promo time because he stumbles over his words every time he gets a chance. It's a shame because he has a real deep voice too.

 

Shelton doesn't need charisma to get over, all he needs is his wrestling as you saw in his matches with HBK, Wrestlemania 21(Where he arguably stole the show), Jericho, Christian, and HHH.

 

What about his awful matches with Carlito, Flair, Conway, and pretty much everyone else on the RAW roster? And his matches with Jericho, Hunter and Xtian were completely average, and if someone wants to argue that I'd like to see their reasoning as to they were good matches.

 

The guy is much better suited in a tag division so his flawed spot matches wouldn't be exposed so easily.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Murdoch has a better character than Shelton, and I like watching Murdoch wrestle more than Shelton.

 

I found the match good. I watched it with a friend who said "Oh no, Murdoch sucks." I said, "Watch, Murdoch will win. Watch his movements. Watch his ring presence. He won't fuck up. This will be decent". The friend then said, in the middle "Yeah, he's doing good."

 

Shelton is the new RVD. Same boring moveset and no mic skills.

 

The Spinning Dragon Fire Leg Wheel Kick is the new Van Daminator, IMO. So contrived.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Shelton is very good on the mic, if you heard him in his WGTT days, but hasen't really been given a chance.

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It helped that he wasn't being written to say things that you know he would never say in real life. It's hard to sound convincing delivering lines you know you would never say.

 

As for Shelton botching moves when springboarding off the ropes, you need to remember that those are actual ropes, and not the steel cables that they have in pretty much every other promotion. It's a hell of a lot harder to get the traction and stability on the ropes than it is on the cable, hence the slipping. When a lot of the WCW guys came over in 2001 they hated having to use the ropes in WWE because of the lack of traction. Having actual ropes is about the one thing from the old days that Vince won't change, because, to him, that's how it's always been.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Personally, I'm more curious on why they decided to break up the Cade/Murdoch team in the first place?

 

I mean, is Cade in trouble for something too? I heard that [spoilers]he lost on this upcoming Heat[/spoilers].

[Guest The Z Man Tom Zenk]

Personally, I'm more curious on why they decided to break up the Cade/Murdoch team in the first place?

 

I mean, is Cade in trouble for something too? I heard that [spoilers]he lost on this upcoming Heat[/spoilers].

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i think they're pushing Murdoch to the IC title...given what happened on WWE Unlimited last night. I wonder why they just don't put it on Masters...he's actually become quite acceptable as a high mid card.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I wonder why they just don't put it on Masters...he's actually become quite acceptable as a high mid card.

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Because the only ones capable of making him look like he's any good are in the main event scene.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

Shelton hasn't been given much promo time because he stumbles over his words every time he gets a chance. It's a shame because he has a real deep voice too.

 

Shelton doesn't need charisma to get over, all he needs is his wrestling as you saw in his matches with HBK, Wrestlemania 21(Where he arguably stole the show), Jericho, Christian, and HHH.

 

What about his awful matches with Carlito, Flair, Conway, and pretty much everyone else on the RAW roster?

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Name one person who had a good match with Carlito? His match with Flair at Backlash 04, was decent in my opinion, and they never gave Him and Conway enough time to produce a good match.

 

Shelton also had very good singles matches with Angle, Randy Orton(Where he carried Randy), and Rey Mysterio.

[Guest nosneb]

it is really too bad Shelton doesn't get bigger pushes.

 

Murdoch reminds me of the Austion, who can't do a wrestling move but will irish whip you and punch you to the win. Cena also reminds me of Austin, and last nights lack of crowd response is a key indication of that.

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Flair/Shelton at Backlach 04 was fucking awful, thanks to Shelton not using his brain and screwing up the story of the match (Flair working on Shelton's leg to keep him from doing his high risk moves) by not-selling Flair's earlier leg work (making it pointless) and doing his ridiculously over-the-top moves anyways. In fact, I'd challenge anyone to show me one good Shelton performance (individual performance, not match - and the HBK match was almost only Michael's performance). Maybe if he used his brain instead of just doing athletic moves I could buy him being the future of the company.

[The Niggardly King 0]

Flair/Shelton at Backlach 04 was fucking awful, thanks to Shelton not using his brain and screwing up the story of the match (Flair working on Shelton's leg to keep him from doing his high risk moves) by not-selling Flair's earlier leg work (making it pointless) and doing his ridiculously over-the-top moves anyways. In fact, I'd challenge anyone to show me one good Shelton performance (individual performance, not match - and the HBK match was almost only Michael's performance). Maybe if he used his brain instead of just doing athletic moves I could buy him being the future of the company.

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His match with Carlito for a spot on Team RAW not too long ago.

[justcoz 0]

He's BLAND. He doesn't have a LOOK. He sucks on the MIC. Has an annoying, nasal voice when he IS on the mic. There's no "it" factor for him to be anywhere near being an important member of this company for years to come. He's good in the ring. That's it. And anywhere else but WWE he'd get pushed to the moon, but he needs more than that. Accept it. CHRIST, all of you, accept it.

 

The thing is, while he was teaming with Charlie Haas, he did have an "it" factor. He was a smug arrogant cocky heel with loads of talent. His mannerisms and facial expressions in the ring suggested that he had some charisma. He actually carried that skit where he and Haas mocked the APA. These were the reasons they moved him to Raw and were hell bent on pushing him as a babyface. And in his first match on Raw against HHH he displayed much of that same charisma. The way he would playfully slap HHH in the ring or mess up his hair when he came out the victor on the mat.

 

He was turned into a smiling babyface in amateur wrestling attire rather than a cocky bad ass gifted athlete. It's another example of WWE taking someone who was turning heads with a heel demeanor and making them a generic bland babyface. He's blowing high spots because he's probably worried about generating a pop from the crowd since WWE creative do nothing to establish a character for him or a storyline for his role. His only hope of getting a pop is his athleticism so there probably is some pressure there.

 

Turn him heel. Give him a mouthpiece like Coach, Teddy Long or Paul Heyman. Put him in black ring attire. Turn the smile into a smirk and act as if he's WWE's Terrell Owens - the greatest pure athlete in the company.

 

But, no, we are WWE and we will have him uncomfortably recite ridiculous nursery rhymes or re-enact the worlds tiniest violin taunt.

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Flair/Shelton at Backlach 04 was fucking awful, thanks to Shelton not using his brain and screwing up the story of the match (Flair working on Shelton's leg to keep him from doing his high risk moves) by not-selling Flair's earlier leg work (making it pointless) and doing his ridiculously over-the-top moves anyways. In fact, I'd challenge anyone to show me one good Shelton performance (individual performance, not match - and the HBK match was almost only Michael's performance). Maybe if he used his brain instead of just doing athletic moves I could buy him being the future of the company.

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His match with Carlito for a spot on Team RAW not too long ago.

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THAT performance in that awful match is your basis that this guy has what it takes to be a future star of the company? Standards for a main eventer have decreased over the years, but have they sunk THAT low?

[The Niggardly King 0]

Flair/Shelton at Backlach 04 was fucking awful, thanks to Shelton not using his brain and screwing up the story of the match (Flair working on Shelton's leg to keep him from doing his high risk moves) by not-selling Flair's earlier leg work (making it pointless) and doing his ridiculously over-the-top moves anyways. In fact, I'd challenge anyone to show me one good Shelton performance (individual performance, not match - and the HBK match was almost only Michael's performance). Maybe if he used his brain instead of just doing athletic moves I could buy him being the future of the company.

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His match with Carlito for a spot on Team RAW not too long ago.

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THAT performance in that awful match is your basis that this guy has what it takes to be a future star of the company? Standards for a main eventer have decreased over the years, but have they sunk THAT low?

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I'd challenge anyone to show me one good Shelton performance (individual performance, not match.

 

You asked for a good performance from Shelton. You didn't say put together a list of his best performances so I can justify why I think he can be a bright spot in the company. Since all you asked for is one good performance... I thought I'd pick his last one. It also happens to be better than the match Carlito had with Michaels last night.

[Danville_Wrestling 0]

I can't show it to you but at a RAW house show @ Rupp Arena this summer Shelton carried Carlito to a fun little match that lasted about 17 minutes. Also, it seemed that the crowd was really digging Shelton behind Cena & HBK, but that's probably changed with all of this jobbing.

 

I said it over the summer as well that Shelton has become the Tito Santana of our time. He won't job overwhelmingly to another guy and will always be perceived as a threat to win, BUT the heel will win via cheating (ex. holding the ropes/tights/etc.). Shelton definitely has to be in the WWE dog house right now considering how he had to drop the belt to Carlito (where they could of MADE him in breaking the HTM's record) and job to every guy on the roster over the last several months. If it's because of a refusal to change gimmick that's the crappiest thing I've ever heard of, but since when does the WWE listen to the people.

 

I agree that Shelton does blow his high spots too much now, which he needs to correct by going to a more mat based style or only doing moves he know he can pull off, and that he needs mic work BUT THIS IS WHY WE NEED MANAGERS. Sure, face managers come off as a little corny at times, but the guy has potential so hook him up with a manager who can talk and let the man's wrestling speak for itself. Also, promo ability comes with time. Bret Hart's promos in the early days weren't that great either, especially when he first became IC Champ, but they grew better later on.

 

Finally, I'm not troubled that they are doing something with Murdoch. He showed some skill in covering up for that botched sunset flip last night. If they are going to push him to the IC title I say why not, the guy looks like he has more potential to do something than Carlito or Masters stinking up my TV screen. However, having him break out of his tag team so suddenly looks a little odd, but tag teams don't mean jack to the WWE these days. Sometimes I wonder why they just don't make the tag belts brand exclusive.

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Flair/Shelton at Backlach 04 was fucking awful, thanks to Shelton not using his brain and screwing up the story of the match (Flair working on Shelton's leg to keep him from doing his high risk moves) by not-selling Flair's earlier leg work (making it pointless) and doing his ridiculously over-the-top moves anyways. In fact, I'd challenge anyone to show me one good Shelton performance (individual performance, not match - and the HBK match was almost only Michael's performance). Maybe if he used his brain instead of just doing athletic moves I could buy him being the future of the company.

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His match with Carlito for a spot on Team RAW not too long ago.

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THAT performance in that awful match is your basis that this guy has what it takes to be a future star of the company? Standards for a main eventer have decreased over the years, but have they sunk THAT low?

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I'd challenge anyone to show me one good Shelton performance (individual performance, not match.

 

You asked for a good performance from Shelton. You didn't say put together a list of his best performances so I can justify why I think he can be a bright spot in the company. Since all you asked for is one good performance... I thought I'd pick his last one. It also happens to be better than the match Carlito had with Michaels last night.

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You can't compare someone's match vs someone else's match with one worker because there are so many different factors surrounding it.

 

Anyways, I didn't see this match. What was so good about Shelton's performance?

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Shelton Vs. Carlito from Raw a few weeks ago sucked, just as all their matches sucked.

 

You probably just thought it was good because it was Joey Styles' first Raw and he was calling it.

[The Niggardly King 0]

Shelton Vs. Carlito from Raw a few weeks ago sucked, just as all their matches sucked.

 

You probably just thought it was good because it was Joey Styles' first Raw and he was calling it.

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No, Shelton sold for Carlito, while being able to still look like a threat in the match. He carried Carlito to a decent match, where he didn't fuck anything up.

 

I didn't even remember Styles called the match.

[Golgo 13 0]

Through no fault of his own, I like Murdoch a lot more than Shelton these days. I'm just a mark for surly redneck characters.

[4hartthreat 0]

Two things:

 

1. I like Murdoch. I don't like him more than Shelton, but I have no problem with Shelton losing to him especially given the rest of the garbage that Shelton has put over lately.

 

2. I will also cite Shelton-Carlito from Raw a few weeks ago for a spot on the Raw team as a positive for Shelton. It was the only passable match Carlito has had on television. And if the Raw thread from that week is still around you can go to it and I believe many in it pointed out that finally someone had a decent match with Carlito.

[Foshi 0]

I'm guessing Shelton is in the doghouse for reasons not yet known besides racism.

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He was caught playing videogames backstage. Or something.

 

 

Seriously, it was in the Torch a few weeks back that he had turned down a Dave Chappelle type gimmick, and people got pissed off. Personally I think he's worthless and no great loss, so, whatever

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How could someone in wrestling have a Dave Chappelle gimmick? How can anyone have a Dave Chappelle gimmick? Was he gonna ride around in an SUV with Bobby Lashley while he shot people and collected money from prostitutes?

[Guest New Jake]

He's BLAND. He doesn't have a LOOK. He sucks on the MIC. Has an annoying, nasal voice when he IS on the mic. There's no "it" factor for him to be anywhere near being an important member of this company for years to come.:

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So what is a presentable look that constitutes a major push? Lame unoutstandable frat boy (Randy Orton)? Over pumped steroid toxin freak (Batista)? A fucking stupid hairdo (Carlito)? I think we can all agree that mic skills is a null and void argument, but what a load of fucking shit. None of these are a valid excuse to bury this athlete let alone decline him of a worthwile push. Benjamin has much more of a "look" to him then any of the current main eventers save Angle. No one really has a "look" starting out in they're career. Murdoch will never have a "look". I don't care if he looks like an 80's slob, the man looks fucking terrible and totally unpresentable for ANY kind of title run. And this fucking slob goes over Benjamin and claims he's IC title worthy? Laughable.

 

He's good in the ring. That's it.

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How the fuck does that not stand out above anything els. Benoit is good in the ring and shit at everything els. Shelton can easily go his route.

 

Flair/Shelton at Backlach 04 was fucking awful, thanks to Shelton not using his brain and screwing up the story of the match (Flair working on Shelton's leg to keep him from doing his high risk moves) by not-selling Flair's earlier leg work (making it pointless) and doing his ridiculously over-the-top moves anyways. In fact, I'd challenge anyone to show me one good Shelton performance (individual performance, not match - and the HBK match was almost only Michael's performance). Maybe if he used his brain instead of just doing athletic moves I could buy him being the future of the company.

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Concidering your comments regarding Benjamin. I must ask, what the fuck do you know? How can you judge someones career and ability on one match? Making severly crappy match assesments does not justify why Benjamin isn't a bright star. He's had more top matches then most of the main events of this year. Hell he even performed better at WM 21 then either main event matches.

 

Concluding statement, Benjamin=future. Get used to it.

[Guest FromBeyondTheGrave]

Benjamin=future.

By being jobbed-out?

[Guest New Jake]

No, but he should be the future.

 

The stupidest excuse I've heard from people to dump on Benjamin so far is the "looks". He's black, thats all there is to it. Not because fans are idiots who prefer fat, worthless slobs like Trevor Murdoch.

 

Benjamin could be easily suited with a gimmick and "look" that can get him over as a major top face. He could be fitted with a Mohammed Ali type gimmick where he where's a red boxing robe hood, strutting down the ring with managers and trainers, cutting promos about being the best and compotition. He could be th kind of athlete kids look up to as a real sports hero. Benjamin could easily be the Mohammed Ali of wrestling.

[World's Worst Man 0]

Murdoch has a good grasp of the fundamentals. Judging him based on his WWE work is just pointless, because the wrestling style is such garbage and plenty of "ok" guys might look like crap after they're fed a list of things they aren't allowed to do in the ring. As for Benjamin, I hear all this praise about how he's so good in the ring, yet I've seen so very little evidence that he actually is good. He's a spotty wrestler that has a tendency to blow spots. Not a good combination.

[Guest New Jake]

Bullshit.

 

Another thing about Benjamin is that there is no legitimate reason to dump on him. If you can't see his skill, your fucking blind. Period.

[The Czech Republic 0]

Lame unoutstabdable frat boy (Randy Orton)?

Unoutstabdable?!?

[The Czech Republic 0]

oops, double post