Is WWE going to get any better?

[Mole 0]

Yes and no.

 

The said wrestlers wouldn't be there if it weren't for the storylines that were there for them.

 

Hogan: Kill monster after monster defending his title.

Austin: Stick it to the boss.

Flair: Four Horseisisis

 

You need a character that FITS a good storyline. For example, Nemo is a great character. But if he never got lost, then it would have been a bad movie. It is a odd example, but it works.

[2GOLD 0]

Well, the booms were basically because of individual workers, like Hogan, Flair, Austin etc., and not so much the writing or the booking, so I would say yes, WWE will probably experience another high time as soon as they find a guy the above mentioned.

 

I think the only way a boom happens is if they let a guy be himself on the mic without some stupid script. Austin and other like the Rock excelled because they didn't have a script, they went out and cut a promo from an outline. Look at a guy like Cena. On Smackdown when he was a heel, his raps and character was edgy and he got over with the crowd big time. Now? He's nothing but gay jokes and God Bless America and it doesn't work.

 

A boom won't happen until Vince figures out that if a guy has the charisma, don't let your shit writers mess him up with one of their rejected SNL skit scripts.

[The Czech Republic 0]

All these neo-new wave and emo bands. Oh, I'd love to see how WWE could try to appeal to that demographic.

Montages of sneak attacks set to "Take Me Out" by Franz Ferdinand?

[Mole 0]

All these neo-new wave and emo bands. Oh, I'd love to see how WWE could try to appeal to that demographic.

Montages of sneak attacks set to "Take Me Out" by Franz Ferdinand?

Hire Jeff Hardy again.

[2GOLD 0]

All these neo-new wave and emo bands. Oh, I'd love to see how WWE could try to appeal to that demographic.

Montages of sneak attacks set to "Take Me Out" by Franz Ferdinand?

Hire Jeff Hardy again.

 

They have a drug testing policy now so that won't work.

[Mole 0]

Touche.

[benoit4hor 0]

Perhaps if TNA catches on and forces WWE to get better. But the only way that will happen is if TNA gets rid of Jeff Jarrett. So Jeff Jarrett is the key to better WWE.

 

[Angle-plex 0]

You've got to admit it's getting better, it's getting better all the time!

 

It can't get no worse!

[razazteca 0]

All these neo-new wave and emo bands. Oh, I'd love to see how WWE could try to appeal to that demographic.

Montages of sneak attacks set to "Take Me Out" by Franz Ferdinand?

Hire Jeff Hardy again.

 

They have a drug testing policy now so that won't work.

1. Edge & Lita need to do the love triangle angle with Stevie Richards & Victoria and Snitsky & Tomko

2. Sign british talent to work either with The Cure or The Smiths gimmick

3. Boogey Man must be champion

4. Blue Collar comedy from The Rhodes Family

5. Gregory Shane Helms heel turn

[SuperJerk 0]

I don't think Raw is that bad, just stale. Kind of like how old bands get boring because their songs all sound the same. If yo go back and watch a show from 5 years ago, you'd probably notice the show's just as dumb, but seemed better at the time.

 

The reason I stay a fan is because there's usually one or two things out of the six things they're doing on a show at a given time that I like.

[Guest Brian]

It's always been bad, but some stuff has clicked because there was certain talent involved.

[Fuzzy Dunlop 0]

If yo go back and watch a show from 5 years ago, you'd probably notice the show's just as dumb, but seemed better at the time.

 

Five years ago we had Austin, Rock, Taker, Foley, HHH, Angle, Benoit, Guerrero, and Jericho, and a kick-ass tag team division with Acolytes, Dudleys, Hardyz, Edge/Christian, and others. All of the above were pretty much always involved in some kind of feud, and they were always on both RAW and SD.

[Silence 0]

Five years ago we had a kick-ass tag team division with Acolytes, Dudleys, Hardyz, Edge/Christian, and others

 

Whereas this year, the only popular tag team we have in WWE is MNM, and Nitro and Mercury are still overshadowed by Melina.

[JimmyHendricks 0]

Evolution is the key.

 

I think it's ironic that the WWE had a faction called "Evolution" when the product has become so stale from being the same thing for the last 8 years.

 

I had an old tape of all the RAW's from January of 1999 (back then I was trying to record EVERY Raw for the entire year--my experiment lasted 4 weeks) and re-watched the first two episodes. Boy, did they suck. Austin was terrific, and so was Rock, Foley, D-X, etc. But the overall presentation was really boring and rough, like a bad play or something. I felt the same way when I popped in an old SNME (the split of the Mega Powers) and was laughing out loud at how hokey it was. I couldn't believe I had actually WATCHED this stuff.

 

But back in 1999, when I was 17, The WWF was the coolest thing ever. I was in the EXACT demographic that they were looking to please, so mission accomplished, Vince. But now I am 23, and the product is literally the exact same thing. I have grown up, and so has the audience. Most of us were around back then, but the problem is that because of the success that they HAD with the current format, they won't change it. Remember, a 20 minute comedy skit with absolutely NO wrestling brought in the biggest ratings on a pro wrestling show, EVER. Is it any wonder that we will soon see Shelton Benjamin's "Mama"?

 

The problem is that the company and the presentation hasn't evolved, and it has become stale. Also, the lack of serious competition has hurt as well. The WWF evolved from "Monday Night RAAAAWWWW!" to "RAW is WAR" because WCW was breathing down their necks. Vince will tell you it's because of his genius and that the idea just came to him in a dream one night. But we all know the real truth.

 

With no company to kick their ass in the ratings 843 weeks in a row, there is no need, or any pressure, to completely evolve. Sure, after a bad quarter they'll move the title to someone else, but the overall presentation has been the same for EIGHT YEARS. But since there is no threat from anyone, and since the show is still pulling in OK numbers, everyone at Titan Towers has become complacent. I think it's the same reason The Simpsons has sucked the last 8 or 9 years. Everyone knows it will score decent ratings no matter what they put on, so why make the effort? They don't have to beat The Cosby Show or prove anything, so it's been on cruise control. The WWE is the same way.

 

Because the current format brought them the biggest ratings in pro wrestling history and allowed them to kill all of their competition, they seem to have problems letting go. They refuse to believe that the product has become stale, and that there will be another boom any day now, because this is the same format that brought the boom in 1998.

 

And finally, there is too much control over what happens out there. Austin and Rock became big stars because THEY went out there and did THEIR thing. Now John Cena is going out there and doing some shitty former "Ellen" writer's thing. I don't understand how we are supposed to buy into anyone on those shows if they all go out there and basically say, act, and wrestle the same way. Sure, John Cena has a different gimmick than HHH, but they both go out there and do the same thing week after week. The reason there was a boom in 1985 or so, and again in 1999 was because of the CHARACTERS, and the SHOW they put on. Someone on that roster could end up being the biggest star in wrestling ever, but that will never happen as long as Vince and Stephanie have the talent by the balls. I can understand creating and guiding the character along, but Vince and Co. need to step back and let the actual person fine tune the little things. I believe Vince has been told he is a genius so many times that he has started to believe that he is an invincible superbooker who is always right.

 

Once again: Evolution is the key.

Edited December 15, 2005 by JimmyHendricks

[Jericholic82 0]

with all the talk about booms and such, it makes me think that alot of you may not like WWE anymore cuz its not "the in thing", I am in the wrong here or what?

 

 

as for me, sure theres a lot of dumb stuff, there always has been, but usually theres at least something about the shows I can enjoy. I think maybe it's still a habit, but I absoultely cannot miss a show. If I do I feel weird. Even though I dont always enjoy wrestling like I used to (and it has nothing to do with the product, its probably due to getting older, or the fa t that the net has spoiled everything for me and I know too much insider info-plus the fact that I no longer believe that its real-well I have not in VERY long time, but as time has gone by I have felt differently)

[SuperJerk 0]

If yo go back and watch a show from 5 years ago, you'd probably notice the show's just as dumb, but seemed better at the time.

 

Five years ago we had Austin, Rock, Taker, Foley, HHH, Angle, Benoit, Guerrero, and Jericho, and a kick-ass tag team division with Acolytes, Dudleys, Hardyz, Edge/Christian, and others. All of the above were pretty much always involved in some kind of feud, and they were always on both RAW and SD.

I was referring to the soap opera angles, no the talent themselves. And please note that most of those guys are either still around, or were still around until the last couple of months.

[Mole 0]

If yo go back and watch a show from 5 years ago, you'd probably notice the show's just as dumb, but seemed better at the time.

 

Five years ago we had Austin, Rock, Taker, Foley, HHH, Angle, Benoit, Guerrero, and Jericho, and a kick-ass tag team division with Acolytes, Dudleys, Hardyz, Edge/Christian, and others. All of the above were pretty much always involved in some kind of feud, and they were always on both RAW and SD.

I was referring to the soap opera angles, no the talent themselves. And please note that most of those guys are either still around, or were still around until the last couple of months.

Yeah, they are.

 

But the storylines suck now.

 

That is why WWE sucks. STORYLINES.

[Enigma 0]

It's true. I always find the PPVs to be A LOT more enjoyable than the tv shows because the PPVs are straight-up wrestling shows. They aren't (crappy) entertainment shows.

 

While I *do* think RAW and Smackdown should be more heavy on interviews and angles because I hate it when I see first-time marquee matches happen on RAW or SD with no build-up. WWE could have seriously made some money with the first-time encounter between Shawn Michaels and John Cena. But they threw it away on a RAW. To a lesser extent, Rey Mysterio vs. Randy Orton could have been an interesting feud. Same thing.

 

That's just what I hate about WWE. The people who have the power don't know anything about wrestling. They don't realize the importance of match-ups. This upcoming Shelton/HBK feud doesn't have the pristine shine that it should have because you can rewind to a few months ago when they had their first match for no storyline reason (other than a shot for the World Title).

[cabbageboy 0]

I watched the Stone Cold Christmas Raw on the 24/7 today, the one with stuff like HHH/Shawn where Shawn lays down for the Euro title, Austin attacks the Evil Santa, etc. It was such a fun show, still a blast. See, HHH and Shawn were doing shock stuff but it was at least funny shock stuff.

 

But think of it, there were all sorts of storylines with the talent to execute them:

 

--Michaels and HHH pissing off Slaughter and one upping him at every turn. Mix in a bit of Owen Hart wanting revenge for his brother being screwed.

 

--UT and Kane, with UT refusing to fight his brother and beating beaten down until he has enough.

 

--The beginning of the Foley vs. NAO feud that would culminate in the Dumpster match at WM.

 

--The Rock and Shamrock feuding over the IC title, and mix in the Rock trying to usurp Faarooq as leader of the Nation.

 

--Marc Mero tries to humiliate Sable and keep the spotlight on himself.

 

Keep in mind that Austin wasn't doing much at this point, having yet to win the Rumble and get into title contention. But that's a LOT of really good storylines on the show. Everyone had something to do.

[naiwf 0]

with all the talk about booms and such, it makes me think that alot of you may not like WWE anymore cuz its not "the in thing", I am in the wrong here or what?

 

 

as for me, sure theres a lot of dumb stuff, there always has been, but usually theres at least something about the shows I can enjoy. I think maybe it's still a habit, but I absoultely cannot miss a show. If I do I feel weird. Even though I dont always enjoy wrestling like I used to (and it has nothing to do with the product, its probably due to getting older, or the fa t that the net has spoiled everything for me and I know too much insider info-plus the fact that I no longer believe that its real-well I have not in VERY long time, but as time has gone by I have felt differently)

 

People who don't like the WWE anymore "cuz its not the in thing" anymore were the casual fans who left in droves years ago. The only people they have now are their core audience of fans who watch every week, buy every PPV and essentially sell the same amount of tickets at the same arenas most of the time. Even the worst show will get a 3+ rating, the worst PPV gets at least 200,000 buys and the casuals come back for the Royal Rumble - WM stretch and then leave shortly after every year. Part of the problem is the internet fan is a bit more sophisticated than Vince gives wrestling fans credit for being, so when he does stuff that even the writers of South Park would say is immature he doesn't get why the fans don't eat it up. When you continue to write shows with that mindset all you do is push away the people who are still there. They don't have anyone talented enough to spark a boom, and even if they did, the guy would get neutered into being Rocky Jr. or 'Luke Warm' Steve Austin. They don't care anymore, and it comes across in their product. If and when someone threatens them they'll try, but until TNA lands someone the likes of The Rock in their prime, that's not happening any time soon.

 

This is a point I use often but it really illustrates how the mighty have fallen. In May/June 2001, they had a fairly nondescript house show at MSG that I was planning to attend with my girlfriend and her sister who was graduating from JHS. I got up (relatively) early on a Saturday morning because the tickets went on sale at 10 AM sharp. . . by the time I logged onto Ticketmaster at 10:30 AM that day, they were already sold out. MSG has 19,763 seats just for further reference. The last time the WWE came through, the tickets were on sale for at least a month, I logged on and could have gotten second tier seats the day of the show. When you can't come close to selling out a venue once in 2005 that you could easily sell out 6 times in 2001, it's safe to say A LOT of people just don't care anymore, not just the "bitter, jaded smark". When that venue is your "home arena" and you can't run it anymore because you'd fail to make a profit, I don't think it's out of line to say that something needs to change drastically and quickly.

[Mole 0]

with all the talk about booms and such, it makes me think that alot of you may not like WWE anymore cuz its not "the in thing", I am in the wrong here or what?

 

 

as for me, sure theres a lot of dumb stuff, there always has been, but usually theres at least something about the shows I can enjoy. I think maybe it's still a habit, but I absoultely cannot miss a show. If I do I feel weird. Even though I dont always enjoy wrestling like I used to (and it has nothing to do with the product, its probably due to getting older, or the fa t that the net has spoiled everything for me and I know too much insider info-plus the fact that I no longer believe that its real-well I have not in VERY long time, but as time has gone by I have felt differently)

 

This is a point I use often but it really illustrates how the mighty have fallen. In May/June 2001, they had a fairly nondescript house show at MSG that I was planning to attend with my girlfriend and her sister who was graduating from JHS. I got up (relatively) early on a Saturday morning because the tickets went on sale at 10 AM sharp. . . by the time I logged onto Ticketmaster at 10:30 AM that day, they were already sold out. MSG has 19,763 seats just for further reference. The last time the WWE came through, the tickets were on sale for at least a month, I logged on and could have gotten second tier seats the day of the show. When you can't come close to selling out a venue once in 2005 that you could easily sell out 6 times in 2001, it's safe to say A LOT of people just don't care anymore, not just the "bitter, jaded smark". When that venue is your "home arena" and you can't run it anymore because you'd fail to make a profit, I don't think it's out of line to say that something needs to change drastically and quickly.

In layman's turns, the "fad" was over.

[naiwf 0]

with all the talk about booms and such, it makes me think that alot of you may not like WWE anymore cuz its not "the in thing", I am in the wrong here or what?

 

 

as for me, sure theres a lot of dumb stuff, there always has been, but usually theres at least something about the shows I can enjoy. I think maybe it's still a habit, but I absoultely cannot miss a show. If I do I feel weird. Even though I dont always enjoy wrestling like I used to (and it has nothing to do with the product, its probably due to getting older, or the fa t that the net has spoiled everything for me and I know too much insider info-plus the fact that I no longer believe that its real-well I have not in VERY long time, but as time has gone by I have felt differently)

 

This is a point I use often but it really illustrates how the mighty have fallen. In May/June 2001, they had a fairly nondescript house show at MSG that I was planning to attend with my girlfriend and her sister who was graduating from JHS. I got up (relatively) early on a Saturday morning because the tickets went on sale at 10 AM sharp. . . by the time I logged onto Ticketmaster at 10:30 AM that day, they were already sold out. MSG has 19,763 seats just for further reference. The last time the WWE came through, the tickets were on sale for at least a month, I logged on and could have gotten second tier seats the day of the show. When you can't come close to selling out a venue once in 2005 that you could easily sell out 6 times in 2001, it's safe to say A LOT of people just don't care anymore, not just the "bitter, jaded smark". When that venue is your "home arena" and you can't run it anymore because you'd fail to make a profit, I don't think it's out of line to say that something needs to change drastically and quickly.

In layman's turns, the "fad" was over.

 

Before the boom, you couldn't get second tier seats the day of a show at MSG though, that's my point. They went from selling out every show for years at a time to not even being able to run it anymore. That had nothing to do with a fad because I've been to MSG in the '80s, '90s and '00s and I never went to a show that didn't have at least 3/4 capacity. Now they can't even afford the licensing fee.

[chaosrage 0]

I don't think Raw is that bad, just stale. Kind of like how old bands get boring because their songs all sound the same. If yo go back and watch a show from 5 years ago, you'd probably notice the show's just as dumb, but seemed better at the time.

 

The reason I stay a fan is because there's usually one or two things out of the six things they're doing on a show at a given time that I like.

 

Actually when I go back and watch a Raw from 5 years ago, the first thing I notice is how good everything was. Almost everything was entertaining. Every single wrestler was involved in a storyline so it didn't become boring. Interviews don't seem as scripted and rehearsed. Matches were less predictable. Sure, it's mostly crap today and we all complain, but until you put in an old tape, you don't realize just how bad it is.

 

There was hardly ever a time when someone deserved to get pushed and they didn't. Back then, as soon as they got over they were made into main eventers. Rock had the title within a few months, Foley in a few months, HHH in a few months, even Angle in a few months. Something happened at the end of 2000. With Benoit, Guerrero, Jericho, RVD, Christian, Booker, taking forever to get to the top level or not getting there at all. It makes for boring television when fans of those people see them every week for years and years not moving any further up the ladder.

 

If Rock, Austin, and Foley were coming up today, could you picture them being handled as well as they were handled? Rock and Austin would either get to the top level and lose their edge. Vince would hear the cheers and turn them into a pandering babyface. They might main event one PPV against HHH as a test, get beaten soundly, and then be in the mid card again. Foley would have absolutely no chance. They'd most likely look at him and say he doesn't look like a champion, same as WCW did. It's not just that they they're still doing the same thing that they used to be doing. It's that they aren't doing what they used to be doing. WWE of the last 4 years has more in common with WCW than WWF.

 

Even in 99 where most of the matches sucked, the shows were still fun to watch because a lot more effort was being put into making the characters and storylines compelling. I and several others mentioned that the court Raw 2 weeks ago felt like a 97-00 Raw because it had an on going storyline throughout the show. It gave you a reason to keep watching unlike most Raws today. And it was more enjoyable than most others Raws. That could explain the high rating.

 

Of course just when when you think they have a clue on what they're doing and they may be getting it back together, they give us on a totally bland RAW like the one that was put on last Monday.

[The Tino Standard 0]

Maybe the WWE will never get any better for YOU, but if history teaches us anything, it's that the company definitely will rebound. WWE always does.

 

"Always" rebounds? They rebounded ONCE, you dumbfuck. And a lil something called WCW and the NWO sorta helped get things going too.

 

OK, calling me a dumbfuck is both uncalled for and a bit hypocritical. Want to reference WCW as a point of your argument? You're failing to mention the fact that company was hemmorhaging money left and right, while WWE, even when at its creative worst can still turn a profit. Is it a boom? No, but as long as they can keep turning at least a small profit, they can stick around long enough until their next golden boy emerges.

 

And they WILL continue to make money, even if the profits are small. There's a market for this stuff. Because for every longtime fan who gets turned off and/or frustrated and ends up walking away, there's a new fan just stumbling into this stuff. Remember the stupid NBC slogan for its summer programming a couple years ago: "If you haven't seen it yet, then it's new to YOU."

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Congrats, you completely missed the point. Without WCW, WWE would not have been successful in the late 90's. That "rebound" that they "always" manage to do, would not have happened. WCW and the NWO angle brought in new and old fans alike while the WWE was busy in gimmick-land. The rebound wasn't WWE initiated. So if you think that the WWE can ever kickstart things because they did it before, you're wrong.

 

And NO, for every person that leaves there isn't a new person to fill their spot. I thought that was obvious given that over half the audience has left. In the 80s, Vince could build his empire upon a wrestling industry that had a strong regional base. The industry itself was healthy. Vince didn't have to convince people across America to like wrestling, they already did. The foundation was there for him to go national. In the late 90's, the industry was weaker, but it wasn't totally gone. There were 2 wrestling companies that shared a very large audience. When WCW died, a big chunk of that audience died with them. The Monday Night Wars, with that much television, running that many angles, screwing up that many storylines... it sucked a lot out of the wrestling _industry_. It completely oversaturated it, and almost completely salted the land that is the US market.

 

Vince isn't making his money domestically, he's doing it with International Touring. Their average attendance is still falling domestically, and soon enough there will be ghost towns in regards to cities that were once major wrestling cities. That the WWE can't sell out MSG anymore is a strong indicator that the audience is fading. And internationally, they are going to suck their key touring spots try as well, and expand to other countries they never toured. They will run out of territory. And when International dries up, they're fucked. They can only cut so much costs, and they took a big blow in losing ad revenue. SPIKETV didn't even want them anymore. I'm not saying that the WWE is going to be dead in 5 years, but there's no way the WWE is going to "rebound" and boom again in their current state.

[iggymcfly 0]

I really think that a lot of people who still watch the WWE don't really realize how far it's fallen. From WM XIV (1998) to WM XVII (2001), there were at least four or five entertaining segments for every one that was really bad, and at least once a month (on average) you'd see something that was really clever and well done, and made you excited to be a wrestling fan.

 

Nowadays, the show's just embarassingly unwatchable. I think that ratio actually works the other way now with five embarrassing segments for every good one. The only thing worthwhile now is the occasional decent match, but the storylines and characters are so bad that you can't get into them at all. Cena's been getting booed for months, has held the title for eight months, and yet he's still the face world champion.

 

Whenever they do get an interesting character (HBK before Summerslam or Batista before WM), they neuter it immediately, and turn it into something that belongs in a children's cartoon. I was a hardcore fan for years, and I sat through a lot of crap, but I just can't bring myself to watch the product anymore. I'll tune to Raw and try to watch it occasionally, but after about two or three minutes of total crap, I can't take it any more.

 

I'm sure you can find a 10 year old kid somewhere that likes every shitty show on television, but that doesn't mean that the WWE's ever going to grow back into the power that it was. Back in the days before shows like 24 and Lost, WWF Monday Night Raw actually was the best action serial on television. But at this point, they're so far behind the curve that I don't see how they could ever catch up.

Edited December 15, 2005 by iggymcfly

[Guest jumpingbombangel]

So I watched Raw for the first time in forever on Monday night.

 

The first thing I see is Vince talking to some chick and she is having some sort of orgasm or whatever. And I was thinking how much this sucks and that I was seeing the same shit 3 years ago.

 

Are they ever going to get their shit together? Or am I going to have to wait another 10 years for the next boom period to come about?

 

They'll improve. They have to; it's either that or let TNA write the typical Tortoise/Hare story and embarrass the hell out of them.

 

Vince isn't making his money domestically, he's doing it with International Touring. Their average attendance is still falling domestically, and soon enough there will be ghost towns in regards to cities that were once major wrestling cities. That the WWE can't sell out MSG anymore is a strong indicator that the audience is fading.

 

Word. I check the WWE live event schedule often since the live shows are the only excitement I get in wrestling these days...and it's strange to see the number of US shows vs. the number of overseas shows. The WWE will be back in Europe just 2 months from now and back in Australia in March. They were just there. As long as I've been a fan I don't recall them doing this many "global tours" since 1993-1995.

[Silence 0]

They'll improve. They have to; it's either that or let TNA write the typical Tortoise/Hare story and embarrass the hell out of them.

 

In a few years, TNA may not even be around anymore if no one else in management ever realizes that Jeff Jarrett as World Champion, along with bringing in older "name" talent, doesn't draw, and that building up younger, homegrown talent along with former WWE wrestlers who weren't pushed as much as they should have been will bring in more success for TNA.

 

That would probably help WWE improve eventually if TNA can realize the mistakes they're making right now.

[jester 0]

Before they get good again, the first thing they have to do is stabilize somewhat. They haven't done that yet.

 

They've experienced a series of departures, including a high-profile death.

 

They have no real big name star, at least not on the level of Hogan, Rock, Austin.

 

They've issued an ultimatum to their talent to get off the roids. We're only starting to see the effects of that.

 

What they need to do first is get to a consistent level of production, and then start experiment with the next big thing.

[Cowboy Battlenuts 0]

Has anyone here even considered for a second the possibility that they outgrew a simplistic form of storytelling?

 

I can still enjoy it now and then, but I'm far from a diehard and some stuff that would have me cracking up 5-6 years ago falls flat now. I just grew up, and the more I learned the less there was to learn and the more disinterested I became. I think this happens to everyone in some way.

 

I mean, is it any worse than it was when it was popular? Yeah, the ratings were higher, but aside from a few people there was no super six, there was no benoit or guerrero, there was no Angle, there was sexual chocolate fathering hands and DX making people flash. And think back to before that, I thought Yokozuna was the baddest mofo on the planet back then, now if he were still around I'd probably look at him and think "I could take this douche". It's just a different mindframe.

 

I really think we're just coming from a different perspective then we used to. I'm sure a 7 year old will still see Taker doing his thing and be astonished, I'm sure a 9 year old would put 5 dollars on Big Show being able to eat a car. Certain things are just easier to believe, and in turn enjoy, at that age.