Fire Sherman? Sucked as GM?

[Guest Arnold_OldSchool]

Year No. Round Pick Player Name Position College (Thompson)

2005 1 1 24 24 Aaron Rodgers QB California --???

2 2 19 51 Nick Collins DB Bethune-Cookman ---Solid

3 2 26 58 Terrence Murphy WR Texas A&M ---looked OK before injury

4 4 14 115 Marviel Underwood DB San Diego State ---?

5 4 24 125 Brady Poppinga LB Brigham Young --Looks like a future starter

6 5 7 143 Junius Coston C North Carolina A&T --CUT

7 5 31 167 Michael Hawkins DB Oklahoma --- Bleh

8 6 6 180 Mike Montgomery DT Texas A&M ---bleh

9 6 21 195 Craig Bragg WR UCLA ---Cut

10 7 31 245 Kurt Campbell DB Albany (NY) ---Cut?

11 7 32 246 William Whitticker G Michigan State --- Starter but was he actually good?

 

2004 1 1 25 25 Ahmad Carroll DB Arkansas- Bust kinda (Sherman)

2 3 7 70 Joey Thomas DB Montana State -- cut

3 3 9 72 Donnell Washington DT Clemson -- iffy

4 3 24 87 B.J. Sander P Ohio State --30 out of 32 Punters this year traded down to get him

5 6 14 179 Corey Williams DT Arkansas State -- Who?

6 7 50 251 Scott Wells C Tennessee -- Starting G

 

2003 1 1 29 29 Nick Barnett LB Oregon State -- Pro Bowler of future

2 3 15 79 Kenny Peterson DE Ohio State --Cut

3 5 12 147 James Lee DT Oregon State -- cut

4 5 31 166 Hunter Hillenmeyer LB Vanderbilt -- Starts for Bears

5 6 39 212 Brennan Curtin T Notre Dame --cut

6 7 31 245 Chris Johnson DB Louisville ---cut

7 7 39 253 DeAndrew Rubin WR South Florida ---cut

8 7 42 256 Carl Ford WR Toledo ---cut

9 7 43 257 Steve Josue LB Carson-Newman ---cut

 

2002 1 1 20 20 Javon Walker WR Florida State ---stud

2 3 27 92 Marques Anderson DB UCLA -- good 1st year, then dud and trade to raiders

3 4 37 135 Najeh Davenport RB Miami (FL) -- solid

4 5 21 156 Aaron Kampmann DE Iowa --- Best DL on the team

5 5 29 164 Craig Nall QB Northwestern State -- ummm??

6 6 28 200 Mike Houghton T San Diego State -cut

 

2001 1 1 10 10 Jamal Reynolds DE Florida State--BUST (Wolf's last year/consultant)

2 2 10 41 Robert Ferguson WR Texas A&M --BUST

3 3 9 71 Bhawoh Jue DB Penn State ---BUST

4 3 10 72 Torrance Marshall LB Oklahoma --BUST

5 4 10 105 Bill Ferrerio G Wisconsin ----BUST

6 6 35 198 David Martin WR Tennessee --- Man of 1000's chances, had one season of 13 catches that made team love him

 

2000 1 1 14 14 Bubba Franks TE Miami (FL) --Solid

2 2 13 44 Chad Clifton T Tennessee ---Pro Bowler with appearences

3 3 12 74 Steve Warren DT Nebraska ---BUST

4 4 4 98 Na'il Diggs LB Ohio State --- Real Solid

5 4 20 114 Anthony Lucas WR Arkansas --- BUST via injury

6 4 32 126 Gary Berry DB Ohio State --- BUST

7 5 20 149 Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila LB San Diego State ---- Nailed this one

8 5 22 151 Joey Jamison WR Texas Southern --- BUST -Nary a down played

9 7 18 224 Mark Tauscher G Wisconsin --- Pro Bowler without the appearences

10 7 23 229 Ron Moore DT NW Oklahoma State --- BUST

11 7 36 242 Charles Lee WR Central Florida --- BUST

12 7 43 249 Eugene McCaslin LB Florida --- BUST

13 7 46 252 Rondell Mealey RB Louisiana State -- BUST

 

1999 1 1 25 25 Antwan Edwards DB Clemson --- BUST

2 2 16 47 Fred Vinson DB Vanderbilt --- BUST

3 3 26 87 Mike McKenzie DB Memphis --- Solid enough

4 3 33 94 Cletidus Hunt DT Kentucky State --- Paid like a Pro Bowler, Played like a lazy blob

5 4 36 131 Aaron Brooks QB Virginia ---- Started elsewhere

6 4 38 133 Josh Bidwell P Oregon --- Pro Bowl punter now...not then

7 5 26 159 DeMond Parker RB Oklahoma --- Played #3 RB for a year or 2

8 5 30 163 Craig Heimburger C Missouri ---BUST

9 6 27 196 Dee Miller WR Ohio State ---BUST

10 6 34 203 Scott Curry G Montana ---BUST

11 7 6 212 Chris Akins DB Arkansas-Pine Bluff --- Cost Packers a win due to being a ittiot who drew a horrid penalty

12 7 7 213 Donald Driver WR Alcorn State ---- Stud

 

1998 1 1 19 19 Vonnie Holliday DT North Carolina --- Solid

2 3 29 90 Jonathan Brown DE Tennessee ---BUST

3 4 29 121 Roosevelt Blackmon DB Morris Brown --BUST

4 5 27 150 Corey Bradford WR Jackson State --- # 3 reciever

5 6 3 156 Scott McGarrahan DB New Mexico ---Floated around as a nickel back

6 6 34 187 Matt Hasselbeck QB Boston College ---Good pick

7 7 29 218 Edwin Watson RB Purdue -- BUST

 

1997 1 1 30 30 Ross Verba G Iowa -- Solid (Won SB prior to this draft)

2 2 30 60 Darren Sharper DB William & Mary --- Stud

3 3 30 90 Brett Conway K Penn State --BUST

4 4 30 126 Jermaine Smith DT Georgia --- Emmit's bro IIRC BUST

5 5 30 160 Anthony Hicks LB Middle Tennessee State --- BUST

6 7 12 213 Chris Miller WR USC ---BUST

7 7 30 231 Jerald Sowell RB Tulane ---Played for Jets not Pack

8 7 39 240 Ronnie McAda QB Army --- BUST

 

1996 1 1 27 27 John Michels T USC ---BUST

2 2 26 56 Derrick Mayes WR Notre Dame --- Ok WR but not what he was suppose to be

3 3 29 90 Mike Flanagan C UCLA --- took 4 years but was a good C then

4 3 32 93 Tyrone Williams DB Nebraska --- Started many years

5 4 28 123 Chris Darkins RB Minnesota --BUST

6 6 41 208 Marco Rivera G Penn State --- took 3-4 years but then was a stud

7 7 31 240 Kyle Wachholtz QB USC ---converted to TE and then out of NFL

8 7 43 252 Keith McKenzie LB Ball State --- Pass rushing DE had solid enough career with packers and 2 other teams

Edited December 22, 2005 by Arnold_OldSchool

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That Aaron Rogers has a real Tony Mandarich vibe...

[jwpeer 0]

You can look at most teams drafts and say the same thing (Except maybe the Steelers in the mid 90's, their drafts were awesome, burt all their players ended up being stars on other teams.)

[Guest Arnold_OldSchool]

There's only like 2 or 3 guys who went to another team and did well. Alot of the guys were complete duds

[Guest Arnold_OldSchool]

2003 1 1 29 29 Nick Barnett LB Oregon State -- Pro Bowler of future

2 3 15 79 Kenny Peterson DE Ohio State --Cut

3 5 12 147 James Lee DT Oregon State -- cut

4 5 31 166 Hunter Hillenmeyer LB Vanderbilt -- Starts for Bears

5 6 39 212 Brennan Curtin T Notre Dame --cut

6 7 31 245 Chris Johnson DB Louisville ---cut

7 7 39 253 DeAndrew Rubin WR South Florida ---cut

8 7 42 256 Carl Ford WR Toledo ---cut

9 7 43 257 Steve Josue LB Carson-Newman ---cut

 

 

This year really bugs me, as these guys would be in their 3 years this year and really beginning to blossom....(assuming they were good picks)

Edited December 22, 2005 by Arnold_OldSchool

[mike546 0]

How is Robert Ferguson a bust? As a 3rd reciever behind Walker and Driver, hes been around the 30 catch mark four years in a row. Thats not great, But I'd love that out of the Giants 3rd reciever

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Because he is an idiot who apparently doesn't understand the concept of "bust" or not.

[Guest Arnold_OldSchool]

Robert F- was drafted to start at WRand every year he fucks up, fails to be an impact player and ends up with the local media dogging him and is one of Sherman's boys, so his job is secure.

 

Talk is of the Pack drafting ANOTHER WR high to help T.Murphy, Driver and Walker

[jwpeer 0]

There are apparently a LOT of very bitter Packers fans around here...especially considering this is what their 2nd down year in a row, after 10 years of consistent success including super bowl victories...

 

Imagine if Cardinals fans were that bitter...sheesh

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Walker won't be a Packer next season unless they are willing to pay him big bucks.

[Guest Arnold_OldSchool]

| Rushing | Receiving |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| 2002 gnb | 15 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 22 293 13.3 3 |

| 2003 gnb | 15 | 1 -8 -8.0 0 | 38 520 13.7 4 |

| 2004 gnb | 13 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 24 367 15.3 1 |

| 2005 gnb | 11 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 27 366 13.6 3 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| TOTAL | 54 | 1 -8 -8.0 0 | 111 1546 13.9 11

 

 

 

What a stud. a whole 2 catches a game! Woo!

[Failed Bridge 0]

11 7 6 212 Chris Akins DB Arkansas-Pine Bluff --- Cost Packers a win due to being a ittiot who drew a horrid penalty

That's my favorite part of the initial post

[Guest Arnold_OldSchool]

Because he is an idiot who apparently doesn't understand the concept of "bust" or not.

 

 

Requires what a Bust is percieved as.

 

 

I percieve it as a player who offered no redeeming qualities to the team he was drafted by.

 

Most of my BUSTS didn't see the field.

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I love how the Packers are finding their starting guards in the sixth and seventh round. Maybe they should try drafting one a little higher?

 

Ahmed Carroll, I don't know. The guy seems like he has tons of potential if he would just realize that shoving the receiver before the ball arrives is a flag and going for the pick when you have no chance of making it isn't very smart. With the right coaching I think he can be a very good corner.

 

And how EXACTLY is anyone drafted below round five a bust? What? Did you expect great things from the guy the Packers took with the 200th pick?

 

You can only be a bust from rounds one and two, after that it's pretty much toss up time.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Well perhaps. You can't blame them all. Some of them just don't fit the Packers' style. Charles Lee went on to have an ok career somewhere else. Bhawoh Jue is in San Diego doing ok, and there's others I'm sure. Aaron Brooks didn't see the field as a Packer, does that make him a bust?

 

Edit: Bad example.

Edited December 22, 2005 by Porter

[Guest Arnold_OldSchool]

11 7 6 212 Chris Akins DB Arkansas-Pine Bluff --- Cost Packers a win due to being a ittiot who drew a horrid penalty

That's my favorite part of the initial post

 

 

All the cheese we eat in Wisconsin gives us a long term memory.

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Well perhaps. You can't blame them all. Some of them just don't fit the Packers' style. Charles Lee went on to have an ok career somewhere else. Bhawoh Jue is in San Diego doing ok, and there's others I'm sure. Aaron Brooks didn't see the field as a Packer, does that make him a bust?

 

Edit: Bad example.

 

You shoulda tried Farve and the Falcons analogy, it actually works.

[Guest Arnold_OldSchool]

I love how the Packers are finding their starting guards in the sixth and seventh round. Maybe they should try drafting one a little higher?

 

Ahmed Carroll, I don't know. The guy seems like he has tons of potential if he would just realize that shoving the receiver before the ball arrives is a flag and going for the pick when you have no chance of making it isn't very smart. With the right coaching I think he can be a very good corner.

 

And how EXACTLY is anyone drafted below round five a bust? What? Did you expect great things from the guy the Packers took with the 200th pick?

 

You can only be a bust from rounds one and two, after that it's pretty much toss up time.

 

Okay change my late rounders from BUST to blehs than cause that's clearly a big difference

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Well perhaps. You can't blame them all. Some of them just don't fit the Packers' style. Charles Lee went on to have an ok career somewhere else. Bhawoh Jue is in San Diego doing ok, and there's others I'm sure. Aaron Brooks didn't see the field as a Packer, does that make him a bust?

 

Edit: Bad example.

 

You shoulda tried Farve and the Falcons analogy, it actually works.

 

Ah yes. Good point. Imagine how things would be if Favre was a Falcon instead? I bet that would make Vick a Charger..... well other than Favre owning the Bears all these years, I'm glad it went down this way.

[Robert 0]

Boo frickety hoo, Ron Wolf drafted a couple of busts. The last time I checked Ron Wolf was the was one who traded, drafted, and signed the guys that won us our Superbowl. What free agent has Mike Sherman signed that had a bigger impact than Reggie White? Hardy Nickerson? You know why we couldn't resign two All-Pro guards? Useless signings/re-signings put us in near cap hell. Wolf may have drafted a couple of busts, be he did have winning seasons with Green Bay right? Christ, if the guy who was here before Wolf was here, the Packer's would've been owned by Dan Snyder. Then it would be the LA Packers, not the Green Bay Packers. Ron Wolf and Bob Harlan saved the Packers, and ignorant fans don't realize that. Sad fucking day.

[The Czech Republic 0]

Actually, I think the city of Green Bay has owned the Packers since before Ron Wolf was the GM; which means the team cannot be relocated. I'll look this up, though.

 

Yeah, the city has owned the team since '23. Snyder would never get to 'em

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

I think the city does have a stake in the team but it's not big enough to veto decisions, I think. The Packers will never move anyways. It's like moving the Bears or the Cardin-... well nevermind.

[The Czech Republic 0]

I'm pretty sure it's owned by the city, and then some Green Bay residents own shares of it. I think that's how it works?

 

 

Wikipedia says

The Packers are now the only publicly owned company with a board of directors in American professional sports. Typically, a team is owned by one person, partnership, or corporate entity; thus, a "team owner." It has been speculated that this is one of the reasons the Green Bay Packers have never been moved from the city of Green Bay, a city of just over 100,000 people. By comparison, the typical NFL football city must be populated in the millions to support a team. However, the Packers have long had a large following throughout the state of Wisconsin; in fact, for decades, the Packers played several home games each year in Milwaukee. The Packers did not move their entire home schedule to Green Bay until 1995.

 

Based on the original 'Articles of Incorporation for the (then) Green Bay Football Corporation' put into place in 1923, if the Packers franchise was sold, after the payment of all expenses, any remaining monies would go to the Sullivan-Wallen Post of the American Legion in order to build "a proper soldier's memorial." This stipulation was enacted to ensure that the club remained in Green Bay and that there could never be any financial enhancement for the shareholders. At the November 1997 annual meeting, shareholders voted to change the beneficiary from the Sullivan-Wallen Post to the Green Bay Packers Foundation.

 

In 1950, the Packers held a stock sale to again raise money to support the team. In 1956, area voters approved the construction of a new stadium, which would later be called Lambeau Field.

 

Another stock sale occurred late in 1997 and early in 1998. It added 105,989 new shareholders and raised more than $24 million, money which was utilized for the Lambeau Field redevelopment project. Priced at $200 per share, fans bought 120,010 shares during the 17-week sale, which ended March 16, 1998. As of June 8, 2005, 111,921 people (representing 4,749,925 shares) can lay claim to a franchise ownership interest. Shares of stock include voting rights, but the redemption price is minimal, no dividends are ever paid, the stock cannot appreciate in value, and there are no season ticket privileges associated with stock ownership. No shareholder is allowed to own more than 200,000 shares, a safeguard to ensure that no one individual is able to assume control of the club. As a means of running the corporation, a board of directors is elected by the stockholders. The board of directors in turn elect a seven-member Executive Committee (officers) of the corporation, consisting of a president, vice president, treasurer, secretary and three members-at-large. The president is the only officer who receives compensation. The balance of the committee is sitting gratis.

Edited December 22, 2005 by The Czech Republic

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Yes but there is a group that deals with its day-to-day operations. It's not like a dude from Podunk, WI can go up and go "We're going to trade Ahman Green for a 7th rounder." That group will be the ones to decide if they can move or not, but they will never do so because they will never have the approval of the other shareholders.

 

And you go and edit in the article by Wikipedia to say what I said.

Edited December 22, 2005 by Porter

[The Czech Republic 0]

It's not like a dude from Podunk, WI can go up and go "We're going to trade Ahman Green for a 7th rounder."

Dude from Podunk > Mike Sherman

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

OG is truly OG. 1965? Damn dude.

[Guest Vitamin X]

There are apparently a LOT of very bitter Packers fans around here...especially considering this is what their 2nd down year in a row, after 10 years of consistent success including super bowl victories...

 

This is Green Bay's first down year since way before most of us here remember (except for Officer Goeman, since he's the official pigskin old-timer around here), and really, my first losing season as a football fan, since I didn't start watching football and being a Packers fan till `92-`93. Understandably, it's probably much worse for the guys around here who've grown up with it in their families their whole life, and even I'm pretty pissed.

 

And there was only ONE Super Bowl victory. No need for pluralization. It's frustrating to watch them this year because they've had a shot in the majority of their games. With better coaching and less injuries, they definitely could've finished over .500 this year. As such, they've really tanked it this year, and it's frustrating when you're used to success. Just like last year being a Laker fan. 2005 has really taught me a lot about humility as a sports fan.

 

I love how the Packers are finding their starting guards in the sixth and seventh round. Maybe they should try drafting one a little higher?

 

This is a major misconception among people looking to what round players are drafted in being equal to the amount of success they would have. The higher a draft pick, they higher the potential they seemed to have based on their production in college and athletic ability, but it doesn't necessarily translate into talent in the pros, for a variety of reasons. On the Packers' offensive line from last year, the highest drafted linemen out of all of them is OT Chad Clifton from Tennessee, a 2nd rounder. This was arguably one of the best, if not the best offensive line in the league up there with Indianapolis and Kansas City. Marco Rivera, Mike Flanagan, and Clifton have all made the Pro Bowl, and Rivera was a 6th rounder, Flanagan a 3rd rounder. OT Mark Tauscher was a 7th rounder to fill things out.

 

My point to that, is that Green Bay didn't adequately fill needs at OG, but it wasn't because they drafted linemen low. There aren't many linemen drafted in the first round that have made a tremendous impact outside of Orlando Pace. Green Bay did an awful job in the offseason this past year (which led to me accurately predicting that they weren't going to do any better than 7-9 or 6-10 this year), particularly because they let a variety of players leave without adequately filling the holes. Starting OLB Robert Thomas was acquired and forcefed a brand new defense literally 4-5 days before the Packers' Week 1 game against Detroit. At the end of preseason, the Packers were still unsure who they were going to start at the guard positions, and even going towards the end of this season, they apparently still haven't got a fucking clue. This is especially frustrating, because chemistry on the offensive line is quite possibly the most important chemistry needed within a group of players in any sport. Each one's talents have to compliment the other, and when you can't even settle on who your starting linemen or front seven will be going into the season, then you're in deep shit, and that reeks of a lack of organization on the part of the coaching staff.

 

So no, I wouldn't necessarily blame Ted Thompson. Outside of Aaron Rodgers, this year's draft class was more or less pretty solid. Will Whitticker might develop into a decent linemen eventually, but he certainly needs more seasoning and some time on the scout team. Terence Murphy showed a lot of promise before his injury, and should make Robert Ferguson expendable (finally). Nick Collins has done an excellent job starting at safety this year, and has shown promises of being an All-Pro, adequately filling in for the departed Darren Sharper (especially since Collins can actually make a tackle). I wouldn't blame Thompson, but I do blame Sherman. I heard a solution the other day from some Packers reporter, in that Thompson should give Sherman the option of getting rid of Tom Rossley (the offensive coordinator) and John Bonamego (the special teams coach), and if Sherman refuses to do so, to terminate Sherman with some regret. I mean, in all fairness, the Sherm has a winning record, one of the best records actually in his tenure as head coach behind guys like Belichick, Reid, and Cowher. But a lack of preparation and any kind of emotion throughout a game, his inability to decide on starters this year, and the division between coaches and players that has long been reported during his stay there, would mean that this season, along with many past failures (including the only two home playoff losses in Packers history) should call for his head if he refuses to make some changes among his personnel. In his place, I'd either promote Jim Bates to head coach, or attempt to acquire Steve Mariucci. Maybe even acquire Mooch as an offensive coordinator. What better way for Mooch to come back into the coaching ranks than to coach his childhood team, and even better, an opportunity to coach against the team that fired him unjustly twice a year. They could call it Revenge of the Mooch.

[snuffbox 0]

Anyone think that GB might drop Rodgers in favor of a possible Matt Leinert pick?

[The Czech Republic 0]

I don't think they can pawn him off to Houston or SF for the top pick. SF already got burned by a rookie quarterback and Houston has Carr. They could try, by all means, but Leinart should probably start immediately, and Favre won't allow that.

[Robert 0]

The last season that was truely bad was 1990, when we were coming off a 10-6 year. Lindy Infante looked like a god, and was even voted Best Packers coach ever (over Lambeau and Lombardi) and we were predicted to do big things with the Majik/Sharpe/Fullwood on offense and Tim Harris was scary. The O-line and various others held out resulting in trading Tim Harris. The O-line broke down and Majik was killed out there. Our rushing game stunk and Sterling Sharpe was the only bright spot in a 6-10 year.