MOTY 2006

[Matt Young 0]

I doubt anything they put out this year will be considered MOTY quality. Mysterio is our only hope.

Since 1997, has Rey ever even come close to having a legit match of the year?? I guess your only hope is fish-oil pills. I hear they swell heads.

 

The Mysterio/Guerrero matches from 6/23 and GAB were the only WWE matches of 2005 even worthy of having MOTY spoken in the same sentence as them.

 

*ahem*

 

HBK vs ANGLE AT WRESTLEMANIA!!!

 

No.

 

If you don't at leastlist it as a WWE MOTY candidate, you know little to nothing about wrestling.

[Angle-plex 0]

Angle vs HBK WM21 was a MOTYC, but only because the list of good matches was so short. The match really wasn't that good. Even as a guy that dislikes Shelton I recognize that at least Shelton/HBK was better. I'd argue Flair/Angle on RAW was too.

[Matt Young 0]

Flair-Angle was good, but HBK-Angle was better. Shelton vs. HBK was really good, but too short.

 

I was fortunate enough to see Angle vs. HBK and Angle vs. Flair live at the arena.

[Failed Bridge 0]

Tim White vs Undertaker in a Casket Match

[Guest Nathan]

I doubt anything they put out this year will be considered MOTY quality. Mysterio is our only hope.

Since 1997, has Rey ever even come close to having a legit match of the year?? I guess your only hope is fish-oil pills. I hear they swell heads.

 

The Mysterio/Guerrero matches from 6/23 and GAB were the only WWE matches of 2005 even worthy of having MOTY spoken in the same sentence as them.

 

*ahem*

 

HBK vs ANGLE AT WRESTLEMANIA!!!

 

No.

 

If you don't at leastlist it as a WWE MOTY candidate, you know little to nothing about wrestling.

 

I see it differently. The match told the same tired story Kurt Angle tells in every one of his big matches, Michaels did a bad sell job, it was worked like an old style indy match. They burned out big moves for the sake of near falls rather than building to them logically. It wasn't a MOTYC by a long shot. Michaels and Angle both get way more love around these parts than they deserve.

 

Nearly every match Mysterio and Guerrero had against each other was better, Guerrero/Batista at No Mercy was better, the three Mysterio/JBL matches were better for the the reasons I listed above.

[haVoc 0]

When was the last time a tag team match was a MOTYC in WWE?

[Failed Bridge 0]

When was the last time a tag team match was a MOTYC in WWE?

2002 with the Smackdown 6

[The Mandarin 0]

2003 with WGTT and Kidman/Rey (their bout on SmackDown was my second favourite WWE Rey match ever-- top being Lesnar/Rey) or even 2004 with my personal tag team match of the year, Orton/Batista vs. Benoit/Edge.

[Hoff 0]

As it pertains to Rey...

 

http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/blog/hoff/

 

Some interesting points to consider.

 

THUMBS UP, CHEAP POP!

 

[The Niggardly King 0]

Mick Foley jobbing to someone who is considered the future in a gimmick match. Probably Kennedy.

[Guest JoeJoe]

I see it differently. The match told the same tired story Kurt Angle tells in every one of his big matches, Michaels did a bad sell job, it was worked like an old style indy match. They burned out big moves for the sake of near falls rather than building to them logically.

Riiight. A great story, with great built up drama, with the crowd in the palm...is bad because you don't like the guys who did it. Ok, lets disect this a bit. You speak of "building moves logically". Please tell me what the heck it means, give some relevant examples, and convice me why "building moves logically" should be part of every great match.

 

 

It wasn't a MOTYC by a long shot. Michaels and Angle both get way more love around these parts than they deserve.

Or perhaps hating anything Angle/Michaels is STILL a "cool" fad to you. Even the pension-less dinosaurs at DVDR have gotten past it...(I think, hope ;0).

 

Nearly every match Mysterio and Guerrero had against each other was better, Guerrero/Batista at No Mercy was better, the three Mysterio/JBL matches were better for the the reasons I listed above.

More like average, sometimes dissapointing bouts getting too much dose of hyperbole just so you can look different

[iggymcfly 0]

I doubt anything they put out this year will be considered MOTY quality. Mysterio is our only hope.

Since 1997, has Rey ever even come close to having a legit match of the year?? I guess your only hope is fish-oil pills. I hear they swell heads.

 

The Mysterio/Guerrero matches from 6/23 and GAB were the only WWE matches of 2005 even worthy of having MOTY spoken in the same sentence as them.

 

Not true. He had some really good tag matches, working with Edge during the Smackdown Six era and continuing all the way to the Vengeance match against Kidman and....... somebody else the following year. Singles matches though, I'd agree.

 

As for next year's MOTY, I'd say go out on a limb and say RVD vs. Angle in an ECW rules match on Raw for the WWE Title.

[Guest Nathan]

Riiight. A great story, with great built up drama, with the crowd in the palm...is bad because you don't like the guys who did it. Ok, lets disect this a bit. You speak of "building moves logically". Please tell me what the heck it means, give some relevant examples, and convice me why "building moves logically" should be part of every great match.

 

The story of "Angle underestimates his opponesnt's wrestling ability" is a good story in theory, but it isn't believable anymore. After a while you'd think Angle would stop underestimating his opponents and start maturing his in ring character. Perhaps I should have said they should have built to the near fall logically. Towards the end of the match the two go into "finisher kick out" mode. Michaels kicks out of a top rope Angle Slam, and Angle kicks out of the SCM. Rather than hitting their finisher for a big "OMG 2 COUNT!" moment, they could have worked towards making a lesser move look like a convincing finish, and milk that as a two count. An example... Mysterio/Chavo from NWO 2004. Is a half crab usually an expected finish in a WWE match? No. But because of the way it was built to, when Chavo hooked Mysterio in that crab, it felt like the end. In the first meeting it's ridiculous to throw their finishers out the window like they did. Why should it be part of a great match? To leave room for new stuff in the future. If Angle had put Michaels down with an Angle Slam, then a kickout of that Angle Slam in a later match would be a hot near fall. However, now, and I havem't seen their Vengeance match, but now that we've seen Michaels kick out of a SUPER Angle slam... how hot of a near fall is the Angle slam going to gain? I'm a fan of smartly worked matches. (Michaels submitting to the Ankle lock after having NO previous work done on the ankle didn't help either.)

 

 

Or perhaps hating anything Angle/Michaels is STILL a "cool" fad to you. Even the pension-less dinosaurs at DVDR have gotten past it...(I think, hope ;0).

 

Right. I'm here to look cool...

 

More like average, sometimes dissapointing bouts getting too much dose of hyperbole just so you can look different

 

Or matches with clearly defined face/heel roles (which is one of my favorite aspects of pro wrestling), smart conservative wrestling, and decent storytelling.

 

If you think Angle/Michaels is MOTY, fine... I respect that. I'm here for discussion, I'll discuss with you why I feel it isn't. But don't sit here and tell me that I'm pretending to like something in order to look different. If you want to discuss the matches, fine. But don't try to accuse me of having some sort of ulterior motive for enjoying different wrestling matches than you.

[Hoff 0]

If you think Angle/Michaels is MOTY, fine... I respect that.

I think the problem is that your earlier posts seemed very authoratative and matter-of-fact. Your response of "No," in particular, didn't inspire many feelings of respect. Not trying to pick on you, just saying.

 

EDIT: Granted, Matt's GIANT FONT OF DOOM wasn't exactly screaming "rational argument," either.

[Guest JoeJoe]

The story of "Angle underestimates his opponesnt's wrestling ability" is a good story in theory, but it isn't believable anymore. After a while you'd think Angle would stop underestimating his opponents and start maturing his in ring character.

 

But a first meeting IS logical. Especially when the kayfabe, both in storyline (Angle trying to top Michaels) and character (reselient babyface vs. ruthless heel) is such.

 

Perhaps I should have said they should have built to the near fall logically. Towards the end of the match the two go into "finisher kick out" mode. Michaels kicks out of a top rope Angle Slam, and Angle kicks out of the SCM.

 

Its a WWE "big match" with a long built storyline. If you don't see Michaels kicking out of Angle's subordinate finisher, or Angle out of Michaels' SCM after a long pause. I'd quesion your knowledge of WWE mainevent matches.

 

Rather than hitting their finisher for a big "OMG 2 COUNT!" moment, they could have worked towards making a lesser move look like a convincing finish, and milk that as a two count. An example... Mysterio/Chavo from NWO 2004. Is a half crab usually an expected finish in a WWE match? No. But because of the way it was built to, when Chavo hooked Mysterio in that crab, it felt like the end.

 

It simply depends on how believable your near falls are. And what you build are not moves, but drama, which Angle/HBK oozed.

 

Why should it be part of a great match? To leave room for new stuff in the future. If Angle had put Michaels down with an Angle Slam, then a kickout of that Angle Slam in a later match would be a hot near fall.

 

WrestleMania WAS their most important match, they way it had been built atleast. And again, Angle slam is only a subordinate finisher now, not the coup de grace.

 

but now that we've seen Michaels kick out of a SUPER Angle slam... how hot of a near fall is the Angle slam going to gain?

 

I think that is a very narrow way of looking at it. An Angle slam is always going to be a hot near fall as long as the drama is built up well..ala Benjamin/HBK where a stiff kick came to be a great nearfall.

 

Or matches with clearly defined face/heel roles (which is one of my favorite aspects of pro wrestling), smart conservative wrestling, and decent storytelling.

 

Seriously I like Mysterio and loved Guerreo, but those to me were satisfactory performances. Guerreo's last great match was with Brock at NWO. I guess JD with Rey was good, but nowhere near MOTYC.

 

If you think Angle/Michaels is MOTY, fine... I respect that. I'm here for discussion, I'll discuss with you why I feel it isn't. But don't sit here and tell me that I'm pretending to like something in order to look different. If you want to discuss the matches, fine. But don't try to accuse me of having some sort of ulterior motive for enjoying different wrestling matches than you.

 

Thats the problem. Discussing matches can be BS a lot of times. I too, NOW, can respect your opinion, but a great match can easily be made to look like crap when put onto paper. And then there are those "personal preferences and tastes".

Anyway, thanks.

[hyperchord24 0]

Benoit vs. Kennedy for the US title

[algrim 0]

Benoit vs. Kennedy for the US title

 

I doubt that Kennedy will be ready by then, since he has 6 months of rehab he has to do.

[hyperchord24 0]

I think the E will put him there before this year is out

[Guest Nathan]

Seriously I like Mysterio and loved Guerreo, but those to me were satisfactory performances. Guerreo's last great match was with Brock at NWO. I guess JD with Rey was good, but nowhere near MOTYC.

 

I enjoyed all of them, but the only ones I would consider MOTYCs would be the 6/23 mackdown match and the Great American Bash match.

 

Thats the problem. Discussing matches can be BS a lot of times. I too, NOW, can respect your opinion, but a great match can easily be made to look like crap when put onto paper. And then there are those "personal preferences and tastes".

Anyway, thanks.

 

All right, cool. I guess I should have elaborated more initially.

[Guest Zarock]

Paul Birchall vs. Chris Benoit

 

Randy Orton vs. Chris Benoit (Long shot, I know)

 

Shelton Benjamin vs. Shawn Micheals II

 

Any combination of Fit Finlay, William Regal, and Chris Benoit

[iggymcfly 0]

How the fuck is Orton/Benoit more of a long shot than Finlay/Regal?

 

We have no reason whatsoever to even think that Finlay will even have a match this year. Orton/Benoit could easily be a big Mania match.

[naiwf 0]

How the fuck is Orton/Benoit more of a long shot than Finlay/Regal?

 

We have no reason whatsoever to even think that Finlay will even have a match this year. Orton/Benoit could easily be a big Mania match.

 

I personally don't think Orton could ever be involved in a MOTYC because his selling is awful. It's also a reason I don't see the love for most HBK matches. Finlay/Regal would never have the importance needed, but they have the subtle expressions and mannerisms that make a match seem better than it actually was. Orton is just so limited in terms of everything he does because he just seems to have one mode and mannerism of performing on offense and defense. I also think his in ring psychology/being able to tell a story during a match is practically nil. Benoit beating on him for 20+ minutes but not being able to put him away, as a means of putting over how badly Orton wants to win is the only way I could see those two putting on something that would be remembered fondly (and for the right reasons) since a guy like Benoit won't give Orton a meaningless thumbtack spot to rely on.

 

My guess is HBK/Angle since most fans seem to think they can do no wrong, and Benjamin & Benoit likely won't have the opportunity needed to pull off a legitimate MOTY given their circumstances.