Samoa Joe signs MULTI YEAR contract with Tna !!

[Guest Coffey]

I'm curious how this Samoa Joe shit is going to play out. Yeah, he signed a three-year contract. That's good news. Of course, he's booked as an unbeatable monster now. So, with the fresh new ink on the three-year deal, now that he's "locked down" so to speak, it'll be interesting to see how TNA book him now.

 

Obviously he's going to lose eventually. Who is going to be the person to dethrone him? Are TNA going to "waste" it on someone like Daniels or Styles whom will get nothing from it?

 

Joe has beat both Styles and Daniels on multiple occasions, why do they keep getting title shots? Why is the X-Division champion wrestling squash matches on iMPACT! instead of wrestling other contenders?

 

When Joe finally does lose a match and the X-title, are TNA going to move him to the main event and give him some new opponents or did he sign a three-year deal just to linger in the midcard wrestling his buddies from ROH?

[Twisted Intestine 0]

The more interesting question is, once he loses his first match, will he no longer be "unbeatable" and lose matches failry regularly, or will a Somao Joe loss still be reserved for rare occasions?

[razazteca 0]

If Joes loses to Warrior or Goldberg then its time to start worrying until then....don't worry be happy.

[GODSON 0]

You know what, TNA has been called stupid in the past but they is sure fooling people with Joe. Joe loss 3 matches in TNA, two tag matches and a threeway. The threeway is of course the famous ***** match Dave Meltzer handed out. At least with Goldberg, he won all his matches literally.

 

WWE did not screw up one Samoan guy and his name is Rocky Mavia. He did pretty well for himself.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

To be fair, he asked "FULL SAMOAN". Rock is half black.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

You know what, TNA has been called stupid in the past but they is sure fooling people with Joe. Joe loss 3 matches in TNA, two tag matches and a threeway. The threeway is of course the famous ***** match Dave Meltzer handed out. At least with Goldberg, he won all his matches literally.

The key point is that Joe has yet to be directly beaten. He has not been pinned and has not been made to submit. When that happens, and it will be handled correctly, whoever gets that elusive first direct win over Joe will be an instant star in TNA.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

You know what, TNA has been called stupid in the past but they is sure fooling people with Joe. Joe loss 3 matches in TNA, two tag matches and a threeway. The threeway is of course the famous ***** match Dave Meltzer handed out. At least with Goldberg, he won all his matches literally.

The key point is that Joe has yet to be directly beaten. He has not been pinned and has not been made to submit. When that happens, and it will be handled correctly, whoever gets that elusive first direct win over Joe will be an instant star in TNA.

 

Not disagreeing with you, HTQ, but how are you so sure he would be handled correctly? For all we know, the push is built to end at Jeff Jarrett.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

You know what, TNA has been called stupid in the past but they is sure fooling people with Joe. Joe loss 3 matches in TNA, two tag matches and a threeway. The threeway is of course the famous ***** match Dave Meltzer handed out. At least with Goldberg, he won all his matches literally.

The key point is that Joe has yet to be directly beaten. He has not been pinned and has not been made to submit. When that happens, and it will be handled correctly, whoever gets that elusive first direct win over Joe will be an instant star in TNA.

 

Not disagreeing with you, HTQ, but how are you so sure he would be handled correctly? For all we know, the push is built to end at Jeff Jarrett.

They've handled it pretty well so far, and Jeff is, from accounts, finally realising that he can't build things around himself, so I'm reasonably confident they'll handle Joe's first loss the right way. I'm certainly more confident that TNA can pull it off better than WWE did with Bobby Lashley.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Good enough for me. The question is how do you see it played out?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Good enough for me. The question is how do you see it played out?

I think we'll see the first win coming off of someone countering the choke sleeper into a cradle. The choke has been pushed strong, so someone countering it and doing so as a way to give Joe his first direct loss, should get that person, and the counter, over huge. As for who gets to be the one to do it, best guess is Jay Lethal.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Should the loss be when he is in the X division or when he moves up to the Heavyweight division, if that's the plan? I'd say its better to get the loss out of the way before he moves up. They have shown X-division workers capable of beating heavyweights so I don't think Samoa with a loss would hurt too much as he transition. Though I can see how it *could* hurt.

[Guest Coffey]

I think the loss should be able he moves to the heavyweight division but from an X-Division worker. Have Joe get some wins over people like Rhyno and Abyss and then on iMPACT! have Joe in a match with Jay Lethal where Jay wins with the HTQ finish. No matter who beats Joe, it's going to be played up as a "fluke" anyway, so they might as well go with that.

 

As long as Daniels or Styles aren't the ones to break the streak, I think I'll be alright with it. I'd prefer it be Lethal or Aries though.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I don't think they'll push the first direct win over Joe as a fluke. I think they'll push it hard as someone finally being able to overcome the monster, Joe will call it a fluke, they'll build to a rematch and the other guy will win again. They can then build to a third match down the road with the story of it being Joe taking on the one guy who can beat Joe but that Joe can't beat.

[Guest El Satanico]

They may not make it a fluke, but I don't see them giving the person three victories.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

They may not make it a fluke, but I don't see them giving the person three victories.

They don't have to give the guy the win in the third match, but they should stay away from the match until the time is right. If the guy they go with really catches on, it can be their major X Division series of 2006 once they stop going back to Joe/Daniels/Styles and let something new take hold.

[Guest El Satanico]

There are alot of ways to handle, and I'm just glad it's not me responsible for it. It could very well be tna's most important storyline to date.

[LivingLegendGaryColeman 0]

Good enough for me. The question is how do you see it played out?

I think we'll see the first win coming off of someone countering the choke sleeper into a cradle. The choke has been pushed strong, so someone countering it and doing so as a way to give Joe his first direct loss, should get that person, and the counter, over huge. As for who gets to be the one to do it, best guess is Jay Lethal.

 

I think Lethal would be a good choice too. They have to make a star with it, they can't give it to someone established. If they do go for someone who's been around, I'd want it to be Petey Williams personally. I haven't seen SO much TNA, but it seems like his role has decreased a bit from the tapes I have of 04/05. The main problem I think would be if they go a route with someone like Petey, it would be cheat to win and like HTQ said, it really needs to be a clean win, preferably with a counter to the choke.

[Astro101 0]

Yea, it has to be a very clean win for it to work. I'd like Shelley to do it. He's got a lot of momentum now but I don't see Joe losing for some time though.

[Rendclaw 0]

Its going to take a rebuild of the Shelley character in order to make him believeable. He's more comedy right now than anything else, ala Eric Young, whom through the Sting storyline is coming out of that horrible A1 gimmick they gave him. I can;t totally agree that he's got all that much momentum considering what is going on with him at the moment.

 

With the way he's being built now, I would have to say that its going to be Lethal. Homocide is in that rather painful LAX storyline, and its looking it will be a little while before that is resolved. Aries isn;t doing too much right now, either.

 

My question is once the Ultimate X match is over, where the hell are they going to go with those three? Six Sides of Steel? Considering how well they work together, TNA is milking Styles/Danies/Joe to the very end, but the problem with that is that people are really starting to get very tired of it. What's the next step there?

[TNABaddboi 0]

My question is once the Ultimate X match is over, where the hell are they going to go with those three? Six Sides of Steel? Considering how well they work together, TNA is milking Styles/Danies/Joe to the very end, but the problem with that is that people are really starting to get very tired of it. What's the next step there?

 

You can almost bet on it. Since they are sticking with the all cage match format for LockDown, they are planning it to be a big blow-off show, almost the Summerslam to Bound for Glory's Wrestlemania. That's why they are stretching Joe/Daniels/AJ, Rhino/Abyss, 3D/AMW and Jarrett/Sting so long. With the exception of Jarrett/Sting, all signs point to LockDown being the night all those feuds get put to bed. And although I'm eager to see some fresh pairings, I don't fault TNA there, because the biggest problem with last year's LockDown was that none of the matches had any business being cage matches, because for instance, AJ and Abyss and Daniels and Skipper had all just started feuding. It would have made more sense to have AJ face Daniels in the steel cage, since they had been feuding since February. At least this year, they can market the show as the night of no-return....like these feuds have gotten so out of control we have to go on LockDown. That's the only way they can make a real success out of the all cage format....and I think it's great that they are trying. Right now, LockDown is there only PPV that stands out. I think if they focus that show on the vicious feuds and Destination X on the high flyers, they'd be in good shape with that.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

No, the all-cage PPV idea is real stupid. They need to drop that shit real fast.

[Dangerous A 0]

No, the all-cage PPV idea is real stupid. They need to drop that shit real fast.

 

 

I think the jury is still out on that one and it will be decided this year. Last year, the idea didn't sound very good and TNA went out and produced one of their best PPV's with the all cage idea.

 

That said, it may not work this year for whatever reason. One thing that I think absolutely needs to happen this year is everyone needs to coordinate with one another about what the other is doing in terms of cage spots so that when one cage spot is done, the wrestlers who haven't gone on yet get it in their heads to not duplicate what has already been done and the show doesn't suffer from redundancy.

[Hawk 34 0]

No, the all-cage PPV idea is real stupid. They need to drop that shit real fast.

 

 

I think the jury is still out on that one and it will be decided this year. Last year, the idea didn't sound very good and TNA went out and produced one of their best PPV's with the all cage idea.

 

That said, it may not work this year for whatever reason. One thing that I think absolutely needs to happen this year is everyone needs to coordinate with one another about what the other is doing in terms of cage spots so that when one cage spot is done, the wrestlers who haven't gone on yet get it in their heads to not duplicate what has already been done and the show doesn't suffer from redundancy.

 

One of the many things, I love about Bryan Danielson is that he watches the entire show before his match so that he knows what the other workers did that night and figures out if he sees things he can utilize in his match in terms of getting the crowd into it or not to be redundant (i.e, noticing that a couple matches focused on leg work, so he changes it to working on the neck instead)

 

It's something all wrestlers should do for every show.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Merely using the cage in EVERY match makes it redundant. Even if they adjusted the cage to each match's storyline, it still would feel somewhat the same.

[Guest El Satanico]

Merely using the cage in EVERY match makes it redundant. Even if they adjusted the cage to each match's storyline, it still would feel somewhat the same.

Does a ring make all non-gimmick matches redundant?

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

There's a difference between a ring where you can freely go out and back in and a cage which RESTRICTS what you can do.

 

A show based around all ladder matches: redundant

A show based around all cage matches: redundant

A show based around all of the same damn GIMMICK match: redundant

A show based around no gimmicks: Not redundant due to the different ways you can go with it.