V for Vendetta

[AmericanDragon 0]

Blame Joel Silver for Alan Moore being angry at the adaptation. Joel Silver publically stated that Alan Moore read the script and fully endorsed the movie. When Moore found out, he asked Silver to publically retract the statement but Silver refused. That's when Moore "disowned" the movie and started nitpicking. Moore lets people adapt his novels but just asks to not be associated with them. Is that too much to ask? People are lucky he's even allowing people to adapt his material at all.

[Special K 0]

Yeah, what he asks is completely reasonable. And he's totally sincere in his objections, not having his name on the film means he gets no money. I just wonder if there could ever be an adaptation that he would be pleased with.

 

Silver's an idiot for doing that, though. When you have a brilliant, temperamental commodity in Alan Moore, why do SO MANY people fuck with him over silly shit? DC's trifling over the Watchmen button set being the absolute height of idiocy. Marvel's beef with Marvelman is just as stupid, but I don't think they knew how incredible an author he was yet.

[Justice 0]

Yeah, BigOl, that was me. I'm gonna go back to it, just in honor of the movie.

 

By the by, I haven't seen the movie yet. I have to get the money, and I have to prepare myself for some of the bigger changes that have been made. From what I've heard (especially in regards to

the assasination of Mr. Susan

). Overall, I'm expecting a fairly good movie, despite the discrepancies.

 

I also agree with Jingus wholeheartedly: I was actually at the Watchmen website, and I checked out their forum. Watching people think it was a GOOD idea change Dr. Manhattan's

intervention in the Vietnam War to 9/11

, I never went back. I know a few people argued against it, but God damn if that would have ruined the movie for me completely. Watchmen deserves a mini-series from HBO if it is ever to be done, because that's the only way it will be done right.

 

fanofcoils: You're just a movie idiot. Comparing Sin City and V for Vendetta is like saying "Titanic and Saving Private Ryan are basically clones. I mean, people die and stuff in both of them. I mean, it's like tragic and stuff, so they are basically the same, right?"

 

V is political commentary on fascist and fear-based governments. Sin City is brutal 80's noir. In tone, they are little alike besides being serious and having corrupt governmental figures (As previously stated). One is deeply philosophical and engimatic, the other is direct and sadistical. That alone seperates the tone from one another. I don't know anyone who'd mistake one for the other, or even liken the tones outside of both are fairly 'serious'.

[Guest fanofcoils]

The two movies are similar (violence, perhaps both "film noirs", dark tones, etc) I just call them clones even though they aren't clones they have a lot of similarities. Off the top of my head I don't know what Titanic's "clone" is but Saving Private Ryan's "clone" could be Full Metal Jacket despite having several differences and several similarities between the two.

[bobobrazil1984 0]

I'm convinced fanofcoils is a gimmick poster, he just goes out of his way to say way out there shit to provoke a response.

[Guest fanofcoils]

Nope, not a gimmick poster. What "way out there shit" have I said?

[dubq 0]

The two movies are similar (violence, perhaps both "film noirs", dark tones, etc) I just call them clones even though they aren't clones they have a lot of similarities. Off the top of my head I don't know what Titanic's "clone" is but Saving Private Ryan's "clone" could be Full Metal Jacket despite having several differences and several similarities between the two.

 

FMJ came before SPR; so FMJ can't be a clone of SPR. Would you just give it the fuck up already?

[AmericanDragon 0]

The two movies are similar (violence, perhaps both "film noirs", dark tones, etc) I just call them clones even though they aren't clones they have a lot of similarities. Off the top of my head I don't know what Titanic's "clone" is but Saving Private Ryan's "clone" could be Full Metal Jacket despite having several differences and several similarities between the two.

 

How can one movie be a clone of a movie that came before it? Would you just give it the fuck up already?

 

You mean came out after.

[dubq 0]

The two movies are similar (violence, perhaps both "film noirs", dark tones, etc) I just call them clones even though they aren't clones they have a lot of similarities. Off the top of my head I don't know what Titanic's "clone" is but Saving Private Ryan's "clone" could be Full Metal Jacket despite having several differences and several similarities between the two.

 

How can one movie be a clone of a movie that came before it? Would you just give it the fuck up already?

 

You mean came out after.

Fixed. It's been a long night.

[Guest fanofcoils]

It doesn't matter when they "came out", I find them right now to be "clones" of each other (and I already talked about what I mean of clone).

[Justice 0]

The two movies are similar (violence, perhaps both "film noirs", dark tones, etc) I just call them clones even though they aren't clones they have a lot of similarities. Off the top of my head I don't know what Titanic's "clone" is but Saving Private Ryan's "clone" could be Full Metal Jacket despite having several differences and several similarities between the two.

 

V for Vendetta isn't noir in nearly the same way as Sin City. One is a semi-realistic, political noir. The other is a gritty, pulp noir. That's like saying "Beethoven? Bach? Eh, they both start with a B, right?" Violence? You're wrong; Vendetta's random-yet-calculated anarchy is a hell of a lot different than Sin City's violence for the sake of violence. The attitudes on violence are very much different. Dark tones? Shit, son, you can find dark tones in any movie today.

 

Next up... What the fuck?! Saving Private Ryan and Full Metal Jacket are completely different movies! Just because "They both have guys with guns!" doesn't mean they are the same. Completely different style, motivations, story, and... well, fuck, just about everything else.

 

Do you actually watch the movies you talk about, or simply make sweeping generalizations? "Clones" aren't similar in one aspect of plot or location. By that token, Birth of a Nation and Glory are clones of each other because they involve black people, racism, and the South. Or Raging Bull and Kingpin, because they both have sports failures in them.

[Guest fanofcoils]

I already talked about what I meant with "clones", it is just a nickname that is used for things that are very similar in the main part about what they are about. I know that there are a lot of different things in Saving Private Ryan and Full Metal Jacket and V for Vendetta and Sin City. I call them "clones" and they are (in what I mean by clones), but obviously they aren't that similar to each other and obviously they aren't identical to each other.

[Justice 0]

I already talked about what I meant with "clones", it is just a nickname that is used for things that are very similar in the main part about what they are about. I know that there are a lot of different things in Saving Private Ryan and Full Metal Jacket and V for Vendetta and Sin City. I call them "clones" and they are (in what I mean by clones), but obviously they aren't that similar to each other and obviously they aren't identical to each other.

 

...

 

used for things that are very similar in the main part about what they are about

 

but obviously they aren't that similar to each other

 

I think I'll be content to call you an idiot. Let me make this very, very clear to you:

 

Sin City and V for Vendetta aren't at all similar to each other in the "main part about what they are about" (Whatever that really means). V for Vendetta is a commentary on freedom, politics, and social structure. Sin City is an essay on brutality, gray morality, and survival. THOSE are the main parts. Your definition of 'clone' is basically having one or two elements in common, which is perhaps the most out-there version I've ever heard of. Platoon and Platoon Leader are clones. The Naked Gun and Se7en are not, despite both involving cops.

 

Please, just stop posting.

Edited March 26, 2006 by Justice

[Guest fanofcoils]

They are dark and about violence, they are like in the same genre, their plots differ. One or two of the main elements are in common. The stuff about what the movies are about that you mentioned are SECONDARY to the stuff I am talking about. This is my version of "clone" Get it? Or not?

[iggymcfly 0]

I don't know the meaning of the word "clone", just like I didn't know the meaning of the phrase "no sold". I have the vocabulary of a 12 year old. Get it? Or not?

 

Whew, glad that argument's over. The more I read about this movie, the more I want to see it. Sometime in the week, (maybe when there are no tourney games on), I'm going to make sure I get out to the theater.

[Guest fanofcoils]

I know the meaning of the word clone. However I exaggerate and say clone when something is similar to another thing sometimes. Get it?

 

And no sold means to ignore. That is pretty obvious.

[Special K 0]

Seriously, shut the fuck up PRIME, you fucking troll.

[Guest fanofcoils]

I think you are trolling with your lack of contribution to this thread here.

[Si82 0]

I know the meaning of the word clone. However I exaggerate and say clone when something is similar to another thing sometimes.

If you know the meaning of the word, and know that you aren't going to use it correctly then used a different word you fucking moron.

[Guest fanofcoils]

I could use a different word but I don't want to. All I did was exaggerate using the word "clone", apparently you don't get it.

[Si82 0]

I could use a different word but I don't want to. All I did was exaggerate using the word "clone", apparently you don't get it.

I don't thing you could use another word as you appear to be as thick as pig shit. You don't "exaggerate" words, you dumb fuck, you simply mangle the English language to fit the needs of your moronic posts.

 

You see, I don't "get it" because "it" doesn't make any fucking sense. Please, for the good of mankind, stop posting.

[cabbageboy 0]

I have no idea where the SPR and FMJ comparison comes from. Now if you wanted to say Jarhead seems in some ways like a FMJ clone, I can see that. The two films have the dehumanizing boot camp scenes and then the 2nd half focuses on the war at hand.

 

SPR though? It's almost a total opposite of FMJ in a lot of ways. It's a humane film (which given WW2 is more necessary), much moreso than FMJ. SPR was a more heroic "Let's save this guy" plot, whereas FMJ shows the dehumanizing effects that the training and subsequent war can have.

 

As far as Sin City and V For Vendetta goes, they are alike merely in terms of being graphic novels. The comparisons were bound to happen. Are they much alike? Not really.

[Special K 0]

fanofcoils, can you please 'no sell' the Movies folder forever? And by 'no sell' I mean 'go the fuck away'.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

I think that fanofcoils is "great." Now when I say "great" I actually mean a sack of shit. Great is just the word I use for saying sack of shit even if they don't mean the same thing. Get it ?

 

Personally, I think if coils wants to "no sell" the English language and rational thought, this is the best place to do it. At least we can ridicule him for it.

[Downhome 0]

I just got back from checking this one out. A few notes:

 

-I lean more to the right.

-I've never even really heard of the comic, so I obviously have never read any of it.

 

That said, I really, really enjoyed the flick. I wasn't offended by anything, and I must say that you would have to go in wanting to hate it to get to that point. I loved the speech of V also, that was fantastic. I can't really think of too much to say right now other than I really enjoyed it, and like Inside Man, I'd be willing to check it out again on the big screen. I was a huge fan of the visuals - from the effect used when V would use his weapons and the blood (the blood reminded me of Zatoichi, 2003) to the scene of everyone with the masks. It wasn't a perfect flick, certain things seemed rushed to me and even at over two hours I felt like it was far too short. I agree with the poster who said that this will be a DVD that will have tons of extra footage, and maybe even an extended cut version of the film that fleshes certain things out even more. I'd buy that in a second, and I can't wait for it.

 

My screenwriting Prof, Mike Atkinson, who writes for the Villiage Voice, said it was one of the worse movies he has ever seen.

 

No offense, but Mike Atkinson sounds like a twat to me. One of the worst movies he has ever seen? Come the fuck on. You seem to put far too much faith in your professors.

[RedJed 0]

Saw it in the IMAX last night and highly recommended, especially in that format. The sound in that place is second to fucking none. Quite a decent story for the most part that went in a bunch of different turns. Quality flick for sure, will gladly throw down for a DVD purchase.

[Guest fanofcoils]

When I say things are "clones" like FMJ and Saving Private Ryan, obviously I am exaggerating.

[Special K 0]

The word 'clone' has a very specific use. It means 'an exact copy, or a very close copy.' Misusing 'Exaggerating' it is like misusing the word 'literally.'

 

Calling V a Sin City clone because it has a dark color pallette, (something that is only a very small part of creating a movie's tone) and both movies have violence (though Sin City is a much, much, more violent movie) is simply ridiculous.

 

Of color pallette is the most important element of movies, are all black & white movies the same? Psycho and Un Chien Andelou are both violent, and they have the EXACT SAME color pallette, they must be clones!

[Guest fanofcoils]

I didn't misuse the word "exaggerating", I never said how much I was exaggerating when I called them "clones".

 

I called V for Vendetta and Sin City "clones" and obviously I am exaggerating with them too. They do have a few big similarities though. Like both being graphic comic book novels, both being very dark movies, both having a lot of violence, both involving "a girl".

[Justice 0]

I didn't misuse the word "exaggerating", I never said how much I was exaggerating when I called them "clones".

 

I called V for Vendetta and Sin City "clones" and obviously I am exaggerating with them too. They do have a few big similarities though. Like both being graphic comic book novels, both being very dark movies, both having a lot of violence, both involving "a girl".

 

Of the 4 things you mentioned:

 

1) Graphic Novels - Small detail. Swamp Thing and The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen were both done by the same author, yet are completely different in style and tone. Director matters more than what form the source material was.

 

2) Darkness - Not really, no. V is serious, and a bit dark, yes, but on a completely different level and a completely different way than Sin City. Patriot Games and The Rock both have action, but the action is in a completely different way. I'd say this is superficial at best.

 

2) Violence - Violence alone isn't a theme. The reason behind the violence, though, is. Sin City and V have very, very different uses for violence and how it comes about. More of a difference than anything else.

 

4) A girl - HOLY SHIT! IT'S SOMEONE OF THE OPPOSITE GENDER! YOU DON'T SEE THOSE IN MOVIES ANYMORE!

 

Conclusion: You're still an idiot, and you still don't know what the fuck you are talking about when you say "similar", let alone "clone".