The U.S Title or the IC Title

[Taker666 0]

Which of the current mid-card belts do you think is more imporant for a wrestler to hold. they both have a rich history and both titles have been held by some of the very best in this business.

 

For me, I'd go with the U.S Title, I think the US title had more credible title holders through out the NWA/WCW and WWE while the IC title was made to look like a joke with shitty Champions throughout the Attitude Era, which was the lowest point of the IC title. I don't think the US title had a low point.

[razazteca 0]

I don't think the US title had a low point.

David Flair was US Champion.

[luke-o 0]

IC, easily. Held by the Ultimate Warrior, therefore it must be the best belt ever.

[dubq 0]

I'd rather have David Flair in a title's lineage than Chyna...

[The Amazing Rando 0]

I would say from Road Dogg's IC win (in March of 99) to Chris Benoit's 2nd win (over Billy Gunn in November of 00) was probably the worst time for the belt, excluding the various Jericho/Benoit holdings, and Angle holding it (I'm the Only Euro-contintental Champion...besides D'Lo Brown, but who cares about HIM?).

 

That is about 20 months with just over 20 title changes, when a month prior to Road Dogg's win, Ken Shamrock was coming off a four-month reign with the belt. Hell, Ken Shamrock, HHH, and Rock (along with Val Venis, who held the title between Shamrock and Road Dogg) held the belt for over a year. Just those four guys.

 

 

The longest US title holder was Mr. Steve Austin, clocking in 240 days (just shy about a month of Rock's long record - which is only outdone by Valentine, Perfect, and Morales)

 

I know title holding length doesn't really signify importance, but how it's booked is. The IC title as it's held now by Shelton (who seems like the kind of guy who really wants it and will do what it takes to have it) is the way all titles should be held and how characters should treat them.

 

One of my favorite storylines ever was Shawn Michaels and his fake IC title befoer WMX. He wanted to be the champion bad enough that he faked a title reign, the likes of which haven't been seen since Eric Bischoff handed HHH the World Heavyweight Championship in 02.

 

 

i have always been a fan of mid-card champions...and regardless of how it had been treated in 99 and 00, I give the IC title the nod.

[razazteca 0]

Is there a need to have both in WWE at this moment? The company is split into 3 brands with the talent pool watered down to young guys thrown into the spotlight when they barely know how to use a headlock and old vets who are years past their prime trying to have entertaining matches without getting gassed 3 minutes into it. Unify the mid-card belts and have the champion take on all challengers from the Top 25 contenders list.

 

Warrior has wins over HTM, Hogan, HHH, Savage so he is the greatest IC champ of all time.

 

The WCW US title was at it's best when Arn Anderson was the champion. AA was the greatest transition champion of all time when you think of all the people he helped in the midcard. The story about Anderson vs Eaton is one of the bright spots about the US Championship. By making Eaton the US Champion he was able to make the transition from tag team specialist to single's star and what better way to do it then beating the long time rival from the years of Midnite Express vs Horsemen tag wars. For that period as US Champion Eaton proved that he could make it on his own without Stan Lane or Jim Cornette's tennis racket interferring.

 

Some of the bad periods for the WCW US belt would include Konnan's run with the belt in the mid 90's which was 2 bad matches against One Man Gang, a semi-decent match against El Gato, and a bad match against Lyger.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

The WCW US title was at it's best when Arn Anderson was the champion. AA was the greatest transition champion of all time when you think of all the people he helped in the midcard. The story about Anderson vs Eaton is one of the bright spots about the US Championship. By making Eaton the US Champion he was able to make the transition from tag team specialist to single's star and what better way to do it then beating the long time rival from the years of Midnite Express vs Horsemen tag wars. For that period as US Champion Eaton proved that he could make it on his own without Stan Lane or Jim Cornette's tennis racket interferring.

I think that you're thinking about the Television Championship, not the United States Championship.

 

I don't think that Arn was ever a United States Champion.

[Boxer 0]

I'd definately say the US title. It just seems more important the last few years even though it's had some crappy wrestlers holding the title.

 

Also, at least it's been defended at Wrestlemania. The last time the IC Title was defended at a Wrestlemania?

 

2002.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

I'd definately say the US title. It just seems more important the last few years even though it's had some crappy wrestlers holding the title.

 

Also, at least it's been defended at Wrestlemania. The last time the IC Title was defended at a Wrestlemania?

 

2002.

 

Wow, if that's true, that pretty much seals it right there.

[razazteca 0]

Arn Anderson was a great champion no matter what belt he was wearing.

[Masked Man of Mystery 0]

When David Flair held the WCW US title, from what I can determine, you were supposed to think it was a joke he held onto it, it was only because Ric was crazy with power, and he lost it as soon as Ric Flair lost power

[BigDawgCarl 0]

Which of the current mid-card belts do you think is more imporant for a wrestler to hold. they both have a rich history and both titles have been held by some of the very best in this business.

 

For me, I'd go with the U.S Title, I think the US title had more credible title holders through out the NWA/WCW and WWE while the IC title was made to look like a joke with shitty Champions throughout the Attitude Era, which was the lowest point of the IC title. I don't think the US title had a low point.

 

Not throughout the whole Attitude era...the Rock/HHH IC title ladder match stole the show at SS 98...I think Benoit, Angle, & Jericho had nice IC title runs throughout 2000 too...I think everybody has swept Chyna's win under the rug by now...

[Dr. Zaius 0]

I'd definately say the US title. It just seems more important the last few years even though it's had some crappy wrestlers holding the title.

 

Also, at least it's been defended at Wrestlemania. The last time the IC Title was defended at a Wrestlemania?

 

2002.

 

Wow, if that's true, that pretty much seals it right there.

I think its true.

[Just John 0]

Some of the bad periods for the WCW US belt would include Konnan's run with the belt in the mid 90's which was 2 bad matches against One Man Gang, a semi-decent match against El Gato, and a bad match against Lyger.

 

1996 was pretty bad overall for the US title. First was Konnan's heatless run, then the belt was thrown on Flair for no reason. Then there was a vacated title mess, ending with the NWO helping Eddie Guerrero win the belt (?). Luckily, it got a lot better with the run by Eddie, then reigns by Malenko, Jarrett, Hennig, and DDP (which featured good matches with Benoit and Raven).

 

I think the US title has a better history because throughout the 90's, WCW generally had a stronger midcard. Since being re-instituted on Smackdown, the midcard has usually been better there than on Raw.

[Boxer 0]

It's definately true that it hasn't been defended since Wrestlemania 18.

 

2002 - RVD vs. William Regal©

2003 - Non Active

2004 - Randy Orton© was in a 3 on 2 match

2005 - Shelton Benjamin© was in the money in the bank

2006 - Same as 2005

 

As for the US Title

 

2004 - Big Show © vs. John Cena

2005 - Orlando Jordan © did not defend the title

2006 - Chris Benoit © vs. JBL

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

I kinda think its stupid that they used to treat both belt holders as sort of the #1 contender to the Heavyweight/World Title and now the belts holders are more or less MidCard Champions.

 

The IC title just because it has a lot more history and is on RAW.

 

And I miss the TV Title with its time limit on matches and the subsuquent near pinfalls for the challenger only to be interupted by the time limit expiring.

[cabbageboy 0]

The US title may have been defended a bit more on major shows, but it was mostly due to the guys having it and the situation. The IC wasn't even around in 2003 for WM, but Orton was involved in a bigger feud in 2004 than merely defending the IC at WM. And Shelton has been in a bigger match than an IC match the past 2 years (MITB) so it's not like the IC champ has been buried and not even ON WM. You know, like Orlando Jordan.

 

Orlando Jordan had a 5 month US title reign. That alone cinches it for the IC in my book. Add to it that the US title was brought in as a joke belt and given to Kanyon in 2001 with no explanation.

[Jericho2000Mark 0]

I don't think the US title had a low point.

 

Orlando Jordan says hello.

[dubq 0]

I don't think the US title had a low point.

 

Orlando Jordan says hello.

 

WWE's version says hello.

[Enigma 0]

I don't think the US title had a low point.

I was at the Georgia Dome WCW Nitro in July 1999 when Ric Flair handed David Flair, a non-wrestler, the U.S. Title. That was pretty low.

 

Also, the U.S. Title had some sharp breaks in its lineage in a short period of time. Scott Hall was stripped of the belt in early-1999 when his foot got run over by a limo. Scott Steiner was stripped of the belt right after he won a tournament for the vacant title at Spring Stampede '99 when his back problems acted up. Then the belt was given to David Flair. Then of course, Jeff Jarrett was stripped of the title in April 2000 for the Russo & Bischoff restart. Then the belt was held up AGAIN in July 2000 when Commissioner Ernest Miller decided to just randomly strip Steiner of the title because he didn't like him. Also, let's not forget how the title was just given to Chris Kanyon by Booker T after the InVasion started and then was just tossed around by perennial mid-carders like Rhyno and Tajiri until Kurt Angle & Edge feuded briefly over it.

 

The U.S. Title and I-C Title are equal in terms of a rich history, but in contemporary times, it's a no-brainer that WWF/E treated their title better than WCW did. Despite the fact that, you know, there WASN'T an I-C Title from October 2002 to May 2003.

[Jericho2000Mark 0]

I don't think the US title had a low point.

 

Orlando Jordan says hello.

 

WWE's version says hello.

 

Ok, David Flair says hello.

 

And he actually stated he meant both the WCW and WWE versions.

[razazteca 0]

I don't think the US title had a low point.

 

Orlando Jordan says hello.

 

WWE's version says hello.

 

Ok, David Flair says hello.

 

And he actually stated he meant both the WCW and WWE versions.

Stephanie McMahon's creative booking states that the midcard titles will be given to heatless wonderkids for long title reigns with matches that will be forgotten in 3 weeks. Rinse and Repeat.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

I'd rather have David Flair in a title's lineage than Chyna...

 

Chyna was actually over, and could wrestle a decent match.

 

I don't know why anyone would choose David Flair over Chyna, unless it's the fact she's a female.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

The US title has a deeper history and gets defended more than the IC title so there.