How do you feel about Iraq?

[Dobbs 3K]

The US people were in favor because of the evidence the Bush administration presented, which later turned out to be dubious.

[cbacon]

Right.

[snuffbox]

Which is why we need to support this administration...its our fault we done got fooled!

[Slayer]

Can I at least critisize his Disillusioned Intellectual schikt?

That was CronoT.

While that is true, I elected to (somewhat) shift the title to C-Bacon just because of that one emote he keeps using

 

Canada sucks.

Hey there little bear, why the long face

[Big Ol' Smitty]

The US people were in favor because of the evidence the Bush administration presented, which later turned out to be dubious.

 

If you were paying attention, it was fairly easy to see through the bullshit.

 

*wrote an editorial against the war for the Kentucky Kernel back in aught-3*

[cbacon]

Fairly easy when your primary sources reach a little further than Fox News.

[cbacon]

You able to post that article, Smitty?

[Big Ol' Smitty]

You able to post that article, Smitty?

 

It's not available online

 

I think I might have a print copy back home in KY, but I'm in Washington, D.C. right now.

[cbacon]

While that is true, I elected to (somewhat) shift the title to C-Bacon just because of that one emote he keeps using

 

Used facetiously.

[Slayer]

Hah, you don't have a sense of humor

[SuperJerk]

Leftist foreigners with no stake in this fight are entitled to their opinions.

 

C-Bacon's just enjoying the freedoms and priviledges afforded him by the American government, even though he lives in a country that has neither freedom of speech nor developed the internet.

This was a fun quote that was sadly overlooked

 

Though I'm not sure what that last part means

I'm saying that its ironic to me that he's using both an American freedom and American technology to criticize America.

 

The Canadian government can censor its citizens if they fail to demonstrate how their speech benefits the public. If Canada had developed the internet, there'd probably be limits on what we could say on it.

[cbacon]

I'm saying that its ironic to me that he's using both an American freedom and American technology to criticize America.

 

American freedom?

 

Also, that's not really irony.

 

The Canadian government can censor its citizens if they fail to demonstrate how their speech benefits the public. If Canada had developed the internet, there'd probably be limits on what we could say on it.

 

What are you talking about? No such censorship exists.

[Big Ol' Smitty]

God bless the internets, and America.

 

[SuperJerk]

The US people were in favor because of the evidence the Bush administration presented, which later turned out to be dubious.

 

If you were paying attention, it was fairly easy to see through the bullshit.

 

*wrote an editorial against the war for the Kentucky Kernel back in aught-3*

 

I'll admit I thought the WMDs were real, but the fictional Iraq/9-11 link never fooled me. I honestly thought Bush was bluffing about the invasion, and would either force Iraq to accept further inspections, or he'd just end up bombing the hell out of the inspection sites.

[snuffbox]

I'd just like to remind everyone that Y2Jerk firmly believes that Warren Harding started World War 2. He knows what hes talkin' bout!

[SuperJerk]

I'm saying that its ironic to me that he's using both an American freedom and American technology to criticize America.

 

American freedom?

 

Also, that's not really irony.

Voltaire aside, the U.S. was the first nation to embrace the concept.

 

I'd point out that it is an example of the uses of the tools of Americans to belittle Americans (an ironic coincidence), but I won't because of the Canadians are the world's experts on irony.

 

Don't you think?

 

The Canadian government can censor its citizens if they fail to demonstrate how their speech benefits the public. If Canada had developed the internet, there'd probably be limits on what we could say on it.

 

What are you talking about? No such censorship exists.

 

Canadian law places the burden upon the individual to demonstrate how the speech benefits the public (e.g. hate speech is illegal)

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech

 

I'd just like to remind everyone that Y2Jerk firmly believes that Warren Harding started World War 2. He knows what hes talkin' bout!

Yer mom.

[Big Ol' Smitty]

Canada sucks.

[cbacon]

I'd point out that it is an example of the uses of the tools of Americans to belittle Americans (an ironic coincidence), but I won't because of the Canadians are the world's experts on irony.

 

Don't you think?

 

Alright, not gonna argue semantics, but it's a bit much to say I 'belittle Americans' when my primary concerns (and the rest of the world's) are with your countries foreign policy, not the people

 

And I can see how the hate speech laws are progressively backwards. Duly noted.

 

With that said, do you believe my concerns about the US foriegn policy are of lesser value because i'm not an American?

[SuperJerk]

I'd point out that it is an example of the uses of the tools of Americans to belittle Americans (an ironic coincidence), but I won't because of the Canadians are the world's experts on irony.

 

Don't you think?

 

Alright, not gonna argue semantics, but it's a bit much to say I 'belittle Americans' when my primary concerns (and the rest of the world's) are with your countries foreign policy, not the people

I'm not so much anti-Canada as I am pro-irony.

[cbacon]

k.

[SuperJerk]

do you believe my concerns about the US foriegn policy are of lesser value because i'm not an American?

 

Its easier for you to jump to a conclusion because it doesn't affect you as directly as it affects us. Perhaps that makes you more objective. Or maybe it just makes it easier for you to jump on a popular bandwagon since you don't have to live here.

[Big Ol' Smitty]

Turkey Signals It's Prepared to Enter Iraq

 

By LOUIS MEIXLER

The Associated Press

Tuesday, July 18, 2006; 2:25 PM

 

ANKARA, Turkey -- Turkish officials signaled Tuesday they are prepared to send the army into northern Iraq if U.S. and Iraqi forces do not take steps to combat Turkish Kurdish guerrillas there, a move that could put Turkey on a collision course with the United States.

 

Turkey is facing increasing domestic pressure to act after 15 soldiers, police and guards were killed fighting the guerrillas in southeastern Turkey in the past week.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...6071800823.html

[EricMM]

Ahh the middle east.

 

Can't live with it, can't live without it.

 

Thank you Ronald Reagan.

[Big Ol' Smitty]

Fairly easy when your primary sources reach a little further than Fox News.

 

I know you were being kind of snarky here, but you're not too far off.

 

http://astro.berkeley.edu/~aleroy/Report10_21_04.pdf

 

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/art...02&lb=brusc

 

http://65.109.167.118/pipa/pdf/oct03/IraqMedia_Oct03_rpt.pdf

 

[Spicy McHaggis]

The beginning of a statement referring to the link between Iraq and Al Qaeda:

Despite the fact that no evidence of any links has been found...

This is patently false. The study is correct about the misperceptions regarding the degree of involvement Iraq had in 9/11... but there WAS a link between Hussein's regime and Al Qaeda.

 

Another quote:

...despite his failure to garner UN Security Council approval.

By technicality, yes it is correct Bush did not have a document stating, "we support you starting the Iraq war." But in essence, he DID have approval. There were no less than 15 resolutions, including the final one, that stated force would be used if Iraq did not obey the requirements set by the resolutions. Iraq failed to meet the requirements in every single one.

 

Interestingly, if you read the last link, the primary issue the researchers used to assess the news media was whether or not there was a link between Iraq and Al Qaeda. Firstly, the researchers are wrong in saying that there is no evidence. Secondly, they admit that respondents were given two options, either there was a link or there was not. I don't even think Hussein was directly involved in 9/11... but if I had to choose between a link with Al Qaeda and no link, I would choose the former. Because there was one.

[SuperJerk]

The problem is the phrase "link between Iraq and Al Qaeda" is too vague and could mean anything. Most people probably take it to mean "support" or "aid," but that's not what the word means. So, apparently, we went to war over a semanic misunderstanding.

[Art Sandusky]

Okay, I hear "evidence," and that "link" word over and over, but no one's ever actually said how al-Queda and Iraq were aligned with each other besides "Saddam paid familes of Palestinian suicide bombers" (which is related to Hamas, not al-Queda) or the President's own nebulous "al-Queda is an extension of Saddam's madness because both hate America" logic. The truth is that America wouldn't accept a pre-emptive invasion of a foreign country a year and a half after 9/11 if it wasn't somehow spun into being part of the "War on Terror." That's why action in Afghanistan is universally encouraged.

 

I do give the administration credit for terrifying and taking advantage of such a stupid country though. I think the tactics used to scare us into obedience are in the same vein as blowing up a crowded marketplace. Telling us how we're all a blink of an eye away from taking a pipe bomb blast to the gut on a regular basis does just as much to worry and frighten people as the actual deeds. The only positive is that no one gets hurt from this particular form of terrorism. Yeah, it's blasphemy to say the US government is a bunch of terrorists, blah blah blah. If you pull your head out of your ass and look at it in an honest, objective way, our leaders do just as much to scare us into action as any foreign or domestic nutjob with some explosives. The only difference is that they tell us it's for our own good, and fortunately no one ends up dying... whoops.

 

Those shirts blending Christian and American iconography are some of the scariest things I've ever seen.

[SuperJerk]

America is not a stupid country. We're just not very well informed all of the time. Once the public is made aware of and takes an interest in an important issue, the majority of the people will support the right thing. An important example of this would be the Civil Right movement. Once all of America saw on TV just what was happening to blacks living in the South, support for civil rights laws increased to the point that the federal government took action on a regular basis during the 1960s to protect people's rights.

[Art Sandusky]

Okay, you're right. There's nowhere to go but up and the next few years are going to be the glorious avenging of a free people against those who tried to take away that freedom, but right now it's easy to call us pretty goddamn stupid to even be in this position.

[Spicy McHaggis]

If you pull your head out of your ass and look at it in an honest, objective way, you can clearly see that the Iraq war did not have to be spun as being a part of the War On Terror, it was from the beginning. The people that say only Afghanistan was acceptable show a fundamental lack of understanding as to why we were in this position in the first place. The whole point of the War on Terror was that we were not going to simply respond to the act committed on 9/11... we were going to root out Islamofascism for good. Successful democracy in Iraq is just another phase in the defeat of terrorism, because you cannot defeat it simply by killing all the terrorists... you have to give young people another option.