Lt. Al Giardello Posted July 9, 2006 Report Posted July 9, 2006 August 23rd... This fight doesn't seem as important as their is a future dream match up in November with Wandy Vs. Chuck. But you can't count out Babalu, if Chuck is looking past him he's going to lose. Swick Vs. Loiseau is also rumored to be on the card. Should be good.
Damaramu Posted July 9, 2006 Report Posted July 9, 2006 Why would Chuck look past Babalu? Chuck's a professional fighter and a champion. He's not some amateur that's going to look past someone. And he's one of the best in the world. He'll be focused and should dispatch Babalu.
Guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Posted July 11, 2006 This card is going to be overlooked by a lot of people. I'll order it.
Lt. Al Giardello Posted July 11, 2006 Author Report Posted July 11, 2006 Why would Chuck look past Babalu? Chuck's a professional fighter and a champion. He's not some amateur that's going to look past someone. And he's one of the best in the world. He'll be focused and should dispatch Babalu. Despite what everyone thinks Babalu has a great shot to upset Chuck. He's at the top of his game, and is a much better fighter then he was the 1st time he fought Chuck. I've seen this happen before, espically in boxing. To try to set up a big money fight, they have the 2 star boxers fight tomato cans before their big showdown in a couple months, and then one boxer overlooks the other boxer, and ends up getting upsetted. Mayweather/Judah, Morales/Pac-Man 2, and De La Hoya/Hopkins are all examples of this(Maybe not Morales/Pac-Man 2, because anyone who couldn't see Raheem beating Morales before then doesn't watch too much boxing but besides that Morales was a big favorite over Raheem). And the thing is, Babalu is far from a tomato can, he is one the best LHW fighters in the world right now. There are times maybe when Chuck is thinking of Wandy instead of Babalu. We'll see what happens though, I want Chuck to win just so we can see Silva Vs. Liddell.
Lt. Al Giardello Posted July 12, 2006 Author Report Posted July 12, 2006 I want to know everyone's prediction to Loiseau Vs. Swick if it hapens? I got Loiseau winning by TKO. I like Swick, but I still see big time flaws in his game.
Lei Tong Posted July 12, 2006 Report Posted July 12, 2006 I'm thinking Loiseau via TKO from ground & pound, but I've underestimated Swick before, and i would'nt be suprised to see him reverse position on the mat and give David a taste of his own medicine.
Lord of The Curry Posted July 13, 2006 Report Posted July 13, 2006 Rumours are putting Dave Terrell vs Yushin Okami on this card as well. Cool, sez I. Okami in UFC is righteous.
Lei Tong Posted July 13, 2006 Report Posted July 13, 2006 I'm really suprised K-1 hasn't been all over Okami's jock, but he's a damn good pick up for the UFC.
starvenger Posted July 13, 2006 Report Posted July 13, 2006 I'm thinking Loiseau via TKO from ground & pound, but I've underestimated Swick before, and i would'nt be suprised to see him reverse position on the mat and give David a taste of his own medicine. You'd have to think that Loiseau has the advantage here, but Swick has been doing so well that I'm afraid to bet against him.
Lord of The Curry Posted July 13, 2006 Report Posted July 13, 2006 Plus he's got the Swickotine, something Loiseau has tapped out to in the past against Jeremy Horn in TKO.
Angle-plex Posted July 13, 2006 Report Posted July 13, 2006 I just can't buy Babalu as a serious threat in this match. Liddell could always slip or something to give Babalu the edge, but that's true of any fight, and if that doesn't happen Chuck should take this one.
Lei Tong Posted July 13, 2006 Report Posted July 13, 2006 Babalu has been unbeatable since I blessed him with the music of Control Machete. BABALU. BELIEVE.
Lt. Al Giardello Posted July 13, 2006 Author Report Posted July 13, 2006 I just can't buy Babalu as a serious threat in this match. Liddell could always slip or something to give Babalu the edge, but that's true of any fight, and if that doesn't happen Chuck should take this one. How many Babalu fight's you have seen?
Lt. Al Giardello Posted July 13, 2006 Author Report Posted July 13, 2006 Plus he's got the Swickotine, something Loiseau has tapped out to in the past against Jeremy Horn in TKO. I don't know if your joking or being serious, but just incase. Loiseau is a much better fighter then he was when he fought Horn, and Swick isn't even close to the fight at Horn is, atleast IMO. I'm a huge Swick fan, infact I think he has loads of potential, but I see to many flaws in his game, he keeps his hands way too low. Loiseau is a more seasoned fighter. I predict Swick to win all his fights since TUF(Gideon Ray, and Joe Riggs)... I'm going with Loiseau in this fight.
Lord of The Curry Posted July 13, 2006 Report Posted July 13, 2006 Who gives a fuck about better fighters or Swick not being close to Horn? Bottom line is thus: Swick has a tight guillotine and Loiseau has proved himself suceptable to submissions in the past, particularly this one.
Hawkius Maximus Posted July 14, 2006 Report Posted July 14, 2006 Swick is my favorite fighter if only for giving a goddamn finishing name to his Guillotine choke. That's just genius. Swickotine. Genius. I think any sane MMA fan is kinda hoping Babalu loses if the Silva/Chuck fight hangs in the balance like they hinted at. If Babalu wins, we may be robbed of what could be the greatest dream MMA fight of all time. It would be a shame. That said, going 10-0-0 is fucking impressive. It's gonna be an interestinf fight.
Angle-plex Posted July 14, 2006 Report Posted July 14, 2006 I just can't buy Babalu as a serious threat in this match. Liddell could always slip or something to give Babalu the edge, but that's true of any fight, and if that doesn't happen Chuck should take this one. How many Babalu fight's you have seen? Vs Liddell 1, vs Elvis, vs Randleman and one more before those I think. I honestly haven't seen much UFC the past two years but unless he improved leaps and bounds I see Chuck taking it.
Lei Tong Posted July 14, 2006 Report Posted July 14, 2006 Actually, most people agree that Babalu is probably the best he's ever been since he began training with Gracie Barra.
Your Paragon of Virtue Posted July 14, 2006 Report Posted July 14, 2006 I tried to find your HL on Youtube to explain the Machete reference, but alas, it was not there. Babalu has a better chance than Randy did at beating Chuck, at least for their third fight. Randy took Chuck down once, and remember while Babalu isn't as good a wrestler (though I think at this point he's close) he is light years ahead in the submissions game.
Lei Tong Posted July 14, 2006 Report Posted July 14, 2006 I tried to find your HL on Youtube to explain the Machete reference, but alas, it was not there. You're right, and the rest are put to pretty cliche fuckin' music. "Chop Suey!?" Common.
Your Paragon of Virtue Posted July 14, 2006 Report Posted July 14, 2006 Not to mention that faggy good charlotte song or simple plan or whatever one. EVERY BONE I BREAK etc. etc.
Lt. Al Giardello Posted July 14, 2006 Author Report Posted July 14, 2006 Who gives a fuck about better fighters or Swick not being close to Horn? Bottom line is thus: Swick has a tight guillotine and Loiseau has proved himself suceptable to submissions in the past, particularly this one. Like I said, Loiseau is a wayyyy better fighter then he was when he fought Horn. But who knows, I wouldn't be suprised if Swick won. But still I favor Loiseau to win.
Your Paragon of Virtue Posted July 14, 2006 Report Posted July 14, 2006 I've been overrating TUF fighters long enough. If Loiseau comes in with the right gameplan (as he should) this should be a slaughter.
randomguy Posted July 15, 2006 Report Posted July 15, 2006 Most of the TUF guys have only beaten cans or each other. So it's hard to know how good they are. Mostly they suck.
Lord of The Curry Posted July 15, 2006 Report Posted July 15, 2006 Hey now, Nate Quarry beat Shonie Carter. And Leben beat Jorge Rivera. They aren't at the point in their careers when they can be called cans.
Your Paragon of Virtue Posted July 15, 2006 Report Posted July 15, 2006 Shonie Carter at 185 is a can. Jorge Rivera is a decent win I guess. Leben is actually one of the few good ones. He was just in over his head with Anderson.
Lei Tong Posted July 15, 2006 Report Posted July 15, 2006 Most of the TUF guys have only beaten cans or each other. So it's hard to know how good they are. Mostly they suck. Nathan Quarry- Pete Sell Chris Leben- Patrick Cote and Jorge Rivera Josh Koscheck- Ansar Chalangov Kenny Florian-Sam Stout Diego Sanchez-Nick Diaz Mike Swick-Joe Riggs Josh Burkman-Josh Neer and Drew Fickett Joe Stevenson-Yves Edwards This also isn't including good fighters people beat before they they started fighting in the UFC (Forrest defeated Sonnen, Monson & Braga), or TUF guys who have fought other skilled TUF fighters (Evans vs. Bonnar).
Damaramu Posted July 15, 2006 Report Posted July 15, 2006 Not to mention Forrest was able to take one of the best in the UFC to a decision that a lot of people think he won.
Your Paragon of Virtue Posted July 15, 2006 Report Posted July 15, 2006 So Tong, Yushin Okami was capable of cutting to 175 right? He also lost to Shields? So he's small and lost to a 170 fighter with an arguably less effective style of what Terrell does, although the decision was admittedly disputed. Why should I think he has a legitimate chance to make noise in this division, and what are his chances of beating Terrell? Strengths, weaknesses?
starvenger Posted July 15, 2006 Report Posted July 15, 2006 Diego Sanchez-Nick Diaz If Diego gets past Karo (and that's a big if) can we stop saying he's overrated?
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