2006 MLB Trade Deadline Thread

[Guest Princess Leena]

Izturis is that bad for the Cubs. They have no offense. And now they've managed to get even less.

[Annabelle 0]

...offense is overated.

[Annabelle 0]

i'm kidding

[Precious Roy 0]

Izturis is a wizard at short, right? With the quality of Chicago's pitching it makes sense to add a guy like that. He uhhhh...doesn't really do anything else. I wonder what Steve Bartman thinks of the trade...?

[Annabelle 0]

izturis is in fact a former gold glover.

[Guest Felonies!]

Yeah, but since the Tommy John, he'd been kind of lost in the shuffle for LA.

 

The 2007 Cubs could potentially lose 105 games. We're looking at Neifi Perez, Cesar Izturis, and Freddie Bynum as starters, and a rotation of Zambrano-Prior-Marshall-Marmol-Rusch, plus a Derrek Lee that will never be the same hitter again.

[Annabelle 0]

i like the dodgers. in fact they're probably my favorite national league team, but they're pretty much fucked from top to bottom. izturis being lost in the shuffle doesn't necessarily mean he won't become the player he once was.

 

edit: not fucked, but tons of holes. with questionable moves. signing furcal is one. i dunno about lugo, either.

[Guest]

I love the new lineup until Kent comes back.

 

SS Furcal

2B Lugo

RF Drew

1B Fat Man Saenz

LF Ethier

3B Betemit

CF Lofton

C Martin

 

Yeah...

[Precious Roy 0]

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...?p1=MEWell_Pos2

 

``What are we doing?" asked Boston designated hitter David Ortiz. ``Abreu is a great player. He can hit, man, and people forget he's a Gold Glove outfielder. Lidle is a good pitcher. When he's on, he can be nasty, man. What did they give up?"

 

When told, Ortiz's face dropped. ``That's all?" he said. ``Hey, that's a good deal."

 

That was the reaction across the Red Sox clubhouse. The Yankees needed a right fielder in the absence of the injured Gary Sheffield and they got him for the remainder of this year, and all of next year (at $15.5 million in '07). Abreu accepted a $1.5 million bonus from the Phillies to waive his no trade clause, and the Yankees are not on the hook for his $16 million option in 2008 unless they want to be.

 

``He got $1.5 million? I'd take that," said Ortiz.

 

[iliketurtles 0]

So the Red Sox didn't make ANY MOVES?

 

Shit.

[Guest Felonies!]

There's still waiver trading. St. Louis got Larry Walker in September.

[iliketurtles 0]

I wasn't expecting any blockbusters but they need fucking bullpen help really bad.

[Guest]

Yeah, I think Jeff Kent is a likely waiver trade deadline move. It depends.

[KingPK 0]

I wasn't expecting any blockbusters but they need fucking bullpen help really bad.

 

So do about 20 other teams. It's safe to assume that any talks the Red Sox were in involved a combination of Lester, Hansen and Delcarmen and it looks like they were as untouchable as people thought they were. I'm kinda bummed, but there really wasn't anything great out there (Cashman's Jedi mind tricks to the contrary......what the hell were the Pirates thinking there?) so I'd take having control over the young guys for the next couple years over a guy that may or may not work out for two months and be gone afterwards.

[iliketurtles 0]

But the 20 other teams don't have Julian Taverez and Rudy Saenez.

 

So they are already 100 steps ahead of the Red Sox.

[Bruiser Chong 0]

Izturis is a wizard at short, right? With the quality of Chicago's pitching it makes sense to add a guy like that. He uhhhh...doesn't really do anything else. I wonder what Steve Bartman thinks of the trade...?

That's all I'm hearing from the Cub PR machine, but isn't his glove overrated? As in, his flashiness has overblown his true defensive value.

 

Hendry actually said during the telecast they were looking to get a couple of prospects from the Dodgers, but when he found out Izturis was available, he just had to go for him. Seriously.

[vivalaultra 0]

I hate the trade deadline. Roy O is pissed as all get out. And he has every right to be. Last week I was 100% sure that he'd be an Astro for life, but now...I don't know that even a whole fleet of new farm equipment will keep him here after 2007.

 

HOUSTON -- Roy Oswalt has been eyeing free agency for a while, so if he does decide to go that route after the 2007 season, it won't be entirely due to his reaction to how he perceived the events that took place leading up to Monday's non-waiver trade deadline.

But hearing his name in trade talks involving the Orioles, among other teams, didn't help. Oswalt is upset that he was mentioned in a potential package, along with Adam Everett and perhaps Morgan Ensberg, for superstar shortstop Miguel Tejada. He feels the Astros have not been honest with him regarding their desire to keep him as an Astro, and in that respect, he'll have no qualms about testing the free-agent market next year.

 

Oswalt is not opposed to signing a long-term deal with Houston, but that deal, he said, needs to be reached before the current season is over. And he's looking for a five-year contract.

 

"We'll see how it turns out," Oswalt said. "I could play the whole year out and then not get an offer at the end of the year. Why not play another year and listen to other teams?

 

"They say I'm a franchise player, just like Lance [berkman]. If I'm just like Lance, treat me like Lance."

 

Oswalt, according to a Major League executive, was never offered by the Astros. Any mention of Oswalt's name came from the Orioles, who ended up not dealing Tejada to any team by the 3 p.m. CT deadline.

 

After the Orioles asked for Oswalt, the two sides continued discussions, but the Major League source estimated the odds of any deal being made involving the ace right-hander were less than 20 percent.

 

While the Astros did not make a deal, they were able to gauge the level of interest from other clubs for several players. The interest for Oswalt, 28, was undoubtedly high -- which comes as no surprise, considering he's coming off back-to-back 20-win seasons.

 

Oswalt said the Astros should have told him first that they were going to see what he attracts on the market. He's not completely sure that he believes the Astros never intended to trade him.

 

"If you want to throw my name out there to see what the value is, what I'm worth to other teams, run it by me first," he said. "If you're not going to trade me and you want to see what I'm worth, don't throw my name out there.

 

"Tell me up front. Since no deal went through, it's easy to say, 'We weren't going to trade you.'

 

"One thing about me. I'm never going to lie to you. I don't want to be lied to. Don't talk outside one side of your mouth and say something else."

 

Oswalt heard that he was offered to Baltimore, who would have traded him to the Rangers. Oswalt also heard that once word got out that he was on the market, the Mets and Red Sox also asked about him.

 

"We have good sources outside of Houston who know a lot that went on," Oswalt said. "People don't think that I know."

 

Pressed for further explanation, Oswalt declined to elaborate.

 

General manager Tim Purpura declined to give specific details about players who were potentially trade bait, but he did acknowledge that any player who was not protected by a no-trade clause was subject to discussion. Oswalt, working on a two-year deal, has no such clause in his contract.

 

The fact that Oswalt is under club control for only one more year before he's eligible for free agency also factors into the saga.

 

"You have to assess the value of your players," Purpura said. "You have listen to what people have to say about your players. You have to listen to your own people, how they assess the player. You have to think about control -- how long do you control the player? We control him for another year, after that, he becomes a free agent. That factors into it. That factors into every equation.

 

"Some of the trades we talked about with other clubs were not consummated because the other clubs felt, 'What I'm getting is not commesurate to how long we control them.'"

 

It is unclear whether the Astros and Oswalt can reach a long-term deal by the end of the season, but Purpura has hopes that Oswalt will remain in Houston for the extended future.

 

"That would certainly be a goal, to talk to Roy long-term," Purpura said. "But that being said, it's like making a trade, you have to have two sides that want to do that. I would hope Roy has had a positive experience here. He's been a key part of our tradition. I would hope he would be amenable to staying on board and helping us the next several years."

 

Said Oswalt: "There are two sides of baseball. The business side and sometimes you get involved to where it's family-oriented. You get reminded that mostly, it's a business."

[Guest Princess Leena]

I don't give a fuck if Izturis is the 2nd coming of Ozzie Smith on the field. He can't bat. At all.

 

Which he isn't, either. His fielding at 3B this year is .955.

[Guest Felonies!]

But he brings speed to the lineup!

[Guest Princess Leena]

He doesn't even bring that. He doesn't steal bases.

[Vern Gagne 0]

He's a threat to steal.

[Guest Princess Leena]

I guess. He is tied with David Clutch Ortiz in SB's this year.

[Vern Gagne 0]

Clemens could have gone to Boston. According to several sources.

[Bruiser Chong 0]

And some sources say he's confided in friends he wishes he'd chosen them over Houston.

[bob_barron 0]

Some sources also say he wishes he had saved money on his car insurance by switching to Geico

[Conspiracy_Victim 0]

So basically, Roy's pissed because the Orioles said, "Hey, how about Oswalt for Tejada?" and (according to McLane and Pupura) the Astros laughed, said "Uh, no" and hung up. However, someone (Richard Justice, aka "Pinwheel" based upon his penchant for going in whatever direction the wind blows him) got hold of it, blew it up into "OMG THE ASTROZ R TRADING ROY O FOR TEJADA!!!!", and the Baltimore paper got hold of it and ran with it without actually checking their facts. Tremendous.

 

Well, I'm sure Roy will be mollified when the Astros open up the post Clemens-Bagwell-Pettitte wallet and give him his big payday when he becomes a FA in 2007.

[Darthtiki 0]

#1 ranked farm system in all of baseball. This is the organization that was able to give the Cubs jack shit in return for a Hall of Famer. They're due for a World Championship, and have the best announcer in all of baseball. Most watched organization in the history of sports. This is the Los Angeles Dodgers, and that was my sales pitch.

 

Amen...however they need to get a one solid post-O'Malley front office (which I think they are close to with Colletti) for them to get into position for a run at the series.

 

Again, this is coming from someone who can't follow the Dodgers as regularly until next year. I'm looking forward to my first opening day at Dodger Stadium next April.

[Fökai 0]

You trade with the Dodgers to get one of their 392 near MLB-ready prospects, not Neifi Perez lite.

There was no way that was happening for someone that's Maddux's age. Colletti trades prospects that he perceives to have flaws in the first place, but I didn't see anything wrong with Guzman. So him saying that at all is odd.

Maddux at any age + $2 million for Caesar Izturis isn't a good deal for the one side, regardless of what universe you're in.

 

When I heard they got Izturis, I thought, "Oh, well I'll bet they got some other pieces with him." Hell no.

 

Picking up $2 million of the check just makes this look like a salary dump.

 

Man, Maddux may be a humble guy, and he would be the first one to admit he's declining, but I wonder what his reaction was to that trade. Probably something like "CESAR FUCKING IZTURIS?!?". No offense to Izturis, but players of that caliber should not be traded for a player that's a mortal lock for the HOF...even one in a decline. Selig should've just denied the trade on pure priniciple.

[Darthtiki 0]

Selig should've just denied the trade on pure priniciple.

If you haven't figured it out by now Bud Selig is a fucking idiot.

[Timmy8271 0]

Just to go off topic a little bit,

 

Am i the only one that loved seeing all those ESPN stooges eat crow today? Steve Philips, Buster Olney and Tim Kurkjen all looked like dumbsses with Soriano not being traded.

 

I was listening to the dan patrick show today and buster was on there. He mentioned that the Astros owner "ordered" brad lidge get traded. Did that ever happen?

 

He also said The red sox were going to offer CoCo Crisp and another 2 guys to the braves for Andrew Jones. That's laughable at best.