NSA Wiretapping found Unconstitutional

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Maybe he was just Matt Youngin' and not assuming. Maybe we are the assholes, smitty.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

I like guns!

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

Weird, apparently the Bush adminstration has decided that they are going to get court approval before surveilling Americans. Okaaaay...

 

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002356.php

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So now the Bush Administration are with the terrorists too? Who's looking out for us?!?!

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

More evidence as to why we shouldn't give the government unlimited surveillance powers:

 

Comprised of nearly 500 pages, with some of those documents partially or totally censored, the intelligence file paints a disturbing picture.

 

For example: The FBI very closely spied and did surveillance on Scott King for years, keeping close track of her public appearances, speeches and especially anytime she traveled. . . .

 

But KHOU has found that even after Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated in 1968, the FBI's Scott King file shows the Bureau actually intensified their spying and surveillance of [Coretta Scott King].

 

The newly released documents show the Bureau closely tracked and scrutinized Scott King's comings and goings, including public appearances ("Mrs. King is due to arrive...at 10:40 a.m.") and what was said there. Agents also kept particular notice of any of her plane flights. They even kept tabs on a King family outing to Las Vegas and what security company Scott King was using.

 

Far more invasive though was the Bureau's interception of private letters she had written. . . .

 

But the file also shows that the Bureau's real worry about Scott King was not the civil rights movement but instead her involvement with the peace and "anti-Vietnam War" movement. Government officials were afraid that she might try to complete what her husband had been doing when he died: 'attempt to tie the anti-Vietnam war movement to the civil rights movement," as one FBI agent put it. . . .

 

Other reports also show the White House being in the loop on this surveillance. One Agent reported on then New York Gov. Nelson Rockefeller's phone call to Scott King after her husband's death, offering his condolences and ongoing help. Another reported to the Nixon White House and then-Secretary of State Henry Kissinger about what they had learned about Scott King.

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Like this ruling will actually matter any? The fucking NSA and CIA can, and will do whatever they want, when they want, and especially how they want to do it. Simple as that. People can sit there and cite rules and regulations, laws and protocals, but at the end of the day, the secret organizations, the CIA, the NSA, and the FBI actually run this country more so than Congress, or the President.

 

Congress can veto and make laws, but the CIA can make you disappear.

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More evidence as to why we shouldn't give the government unlimited surveillance powers:

Aw come on, that example involves people who are all retired or dead. Nobody in charge then is in charge now.

 

the CIA can make you disappear

Like who? Name some folks the CIA whacked.

[Guest benoitwasmurdered]

I'm pretty sure the whole point in making someone disappear is that no one knows what happened to them.

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Yeah, but this is the same CIA that failed to prevent 9/11 and often leaks like a pregnant woman. They can't even keep their secret prisons a secret. How could they just randomly disappear people with no word of it ever getting out? This isn't like Stalinist USSR where they had an entire assembly line set up to kidnap people and deport them either to Siberian gulags or a blast furnace.

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Obviously you don't know much about the CIA then Jingus.

 

Many choose to disbelieve in the notion that the CIA has operatives to the caliber of a Jason Bourne, but I disagree. What do you consider a Marine Corps Recon, or Navy SEAL, or Black Water Agent, or Zero Down? All instruments of death at the command of the government.

 

And would you really be all that surprised that the strongest nation in the world didn't know about 9/11? Just like we didn't know about Pearl Harbor.

 

The only reason their "secret" prisions are known about, is because they want people to know about them.

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More evidence as to why we shouldn't give the government unlimited surveillance powers:

Aw come on, that example involves people who are all retired or dead. Nobody in charge then is in charge now.

 

Yes, the people in charge now are far more scrupulous.

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Obviously you don't know much about the CIA then Jingus.

I know two people who used to work there. How about you?

 

Many choose to disbelieve in the notion that the CIA has operatives to the caliber of a Jason Bourne, but I disagree.

You're basing your argument on a goddamned movie?

 

What do you consider a Marine Corps Recon, or Navy SEAL, or Black Water Agent, or Zero Down?

Soldiers.

 

And would you really be all that surprised that the strongest nation in the world didn't know about 9/11? Just like we didn't know about Pearl Harbor.

I seriously doubt that the US government would allow countless thousands of citizens to be killed, lose billions of dollars in damages, and have the entire country to be plunged into an economic recession just in order to... what's the end goal in this conspiracy theory again?

 

The only reason their "secret" prisions are known about, is because they want people to know about them.

Who is "they"? I can tell you, it ain't the CIA. Do your homework. They're not even the second-biggest clandestine organization in the federal government.

 

 

 

Yes, the people in charge now are far more scrupulous.

Not much. Less overtly racist maybe. But don't point to sins in the past as if they were committed by people in the present.

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Not much. Less overtly racist maybe. But don't point to sins in the past as if they were committed by people in the present.

 

 

I didn't say that they were, oh noble lord of the strawmen. I didn't claim that anyone in the present wiretapped Coretta King, I just pointed it out as a historical lesson, you know, the whole "doomed to repeat it" thing. It's a good example of why a government shouldn't have unlimited surveillance powers.