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[Vern Gagne 0]

Also, here's a some pictures of wrestlers when they were young.

 

Wow, some of those are awesome. Young Randy Savage and Bill Goldberg with the Hitler stash may be my favorites.

 

Alot of those are creepy...like the second Taker pic (looks like he's wearing a b-ball jersey), sitcom extra RVD, Rowdy Roddy J. Fox, and pedophile rapist Randy Savage.

 

 

I see more of a Rowdy Roddy Lee Roth. Savage kind of looks like Matthew McConaughey in Dazed in Confused.

[Fartsauce 0]

[The Amazing Rando 0]

I hope when Hogan is on raw, Orton doesn't show up. He show's up at Hogan's house and RKO's Nick while Brooke looks on in horror. Then Orton is shown on camera with that smirk he does.

 

I don't know if anyone's suggested it yet, but why not have the Bashams as Heyman's personal secuirty in ECW?

 

They could be. We still haven't seen the security guards faces.

 

 

Brooke has to see Randy do it, and then ask "WHO DID THIS TO YOU" to her brother in the most annoying tone possible.

[Neil-o-Mac 0]

As sad as it sounds I think that Vince is trying to be the first one with the Samoan World Champion.

 

Uh, I think he's already had that. Yokozuna was Samoan, and The Rock is half-Samoan.

[Hawk 34 0]

 

As sad as it sounds I think that Vince is trying to be the first one with the Samoan World Champion.

 

Uh, I think he's already had that. Yokozuna was Samoan, and The Rock is half-Samoan.

 

Yoko was never billed as a samoan but Rock was always put over for his samoan roots, besides Samoa Joe has already been a World Champion. So Vince can't really claim to have the first 100% billed world champion samoan.

 

It's not even a real accomplishment like Simmons in 92 was.

[CanadianChris 0]

I so wish Flair had retired already.

[Bruce Blank 0]

besides Samoa Joe has already been a World Champion. So Vince can't really claim to have the first 100% billed world champion samoan.

No he's been RoH Champion, that's not really the same even if the belt says "world", I mean so does the "Cousin Luke's Backyard Carnival" title belt.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

Yeah, you can't seriously consider Ring of Honor's belt to be a world title.

[Guest Human Highlight Reel]

The ROH World title has been defended outside of the US, which makes it a World title in my book.

[Bruce Blank 0]

Ah so the XPW European title was also a world title then if we go by that criteria? how about the Intercontinental title since that's been defended outside the US. it's about the LEVEL of the federation - RoH is indies hardly even national since they don't regularly tour most of the country.

[The Amazing Rando 0]

Was Yoko EVER shown on TV as being Somoan...like, even after his death?

 

The other thing is, any fan with half a brain can look at Umaga and look at Samoa Joe and realize who the better wrestler is. And if there are fans that only watch WWE, they wouldn't even know Joe and thusly wouldn't care about the whole "Samoan" thing to begin with.

[Guest Human Highlight Reel]

it's about the LEVEL of the federation - RoH is indies hardly even national since they don't regularly tour most of the country.

It's not about the promotion, it's about the championship. If a championship is defended, not just in the home of the promotion, but in other parts of the World, it's a world championship. I'd like to hear how you measure the level of a federation needed to have a world title.

[randomguy 0]

How about this:

 

"No Samoan has won a world championship that anyone other than you gives a shit about?"

 

Better?

 

Of course that's not true either but whatever.

[Bruce Blank 0]

By their touring schedule, their world wide exposure & recognition, the size of the federation. it's about what level they operate on and everything.

 

and I guess by that logic the WWE US & Intercontinental titles are world titles since they've been defended in every continent outside of Antarctica.

[Hawk 34 0]

By their touring schedule, their world wide exposure & recognition, the size of the federation. it's about what level they operate on and everything.

 

and I guess by that logic the WWE US & Intercontinental titles are world titles since they've been defended in every continent outside of Antarctica.

 

ROH, is the only american promotion get legitimate press in Japan. WWE is treated like the circus for Japan. ROH, thanks to its connections with NOAH and Dragon Gate has achieved this world status.

 

The titles have been defended against DG and NOAH competition and recongized by them. It's been defended in Japan, Canada, Mexico, England and Korea. The qualification for WORLD TITLE status is to be defended across the world against legitimate talent and for top promotions. ROH has done that.

[Guest Human Highlight Reel]

By their touring schedule, their world wide exposure & recognition, the size of the federation. it's about what level they operate on and everything. and I guess by that logic the WWE US & Intercontinental titles are world titles since they've been defended in every continent outside of Antarctica.

A schedule is inconsequential, as long as it is defended in different parts of the world. As for recognition, no promotions are recognised by anything except themselves these days, save for Japan, where ROH is held in a higher regard then WWE. As for size, I'm not sure what you mean, but I doubt any of it affects the championship.

 

The qualification for WORLD TITLE status is to be defended across the world against legitimate talent and for top promotions. ROH has done that.

Do you think that to gain World Title status, it has to be defended against people outside of the promotion worldwide, or does it being defended in other countries suffice? I'd lean more towards the former myself, which would mean that the WWE, ROH and NWA titles are the only World titles in America. Mysterio's title is not, and I don't know if the ECW title ever has been.

[Hawk 34 0]

By "legitimate talent and top promotions", that can mean in-house as well. I didn't neccesarily mean that they had to work against people outside the company. It just needs to be legitimate match.

[Guest Human Highlight Reel]

I'm sure the Smackdown title has on some of their tours, but has the ECW title ever been defended outside of the US? This would be since Douglas declared it the ECW World Title.

[King Kamala 0]

Perhaps in Canada (IIRC they did a tour of there in 2000) but certainly nowhere out of North America

[Hawkius Maximus 0]

ROH is legitimate in the World Title department. WWE cannot get anyone in Japan to help them with their shows, and attendance has steadily declined since their first few shows.

 

ROH on the other hand has slowly, over time been made into a major force within Japanese wrestling from Dragon Gate. CIMA, who is a hyoge American Indy/ROH mark has made their name comparable to just about any American fed that's stepped foot there in many years. Granted, by all accounts they've inflated ROH's power in America, but the point still stands. ROH workers have been brought in, and put over strong including all of their champions. ROH's also getting press from all over Japan.

 

Essentionally, when WWE or TNA can get a working agreement of that magnitude with a promotion the size of Dragon Gate who most consider to be the #4 to #3 promotion in all of Japan, which continues to be one of the fastest rising promotions in the world, maybe you can dismiss ROH's claim to being a world promotion with World titles. Until then you can't dismiss ROH's claim.

[Vyce 0]

I like ROH, but their title is not a world title. Anyone who argues too strongly otherwise is likely a ROHbot.

[Guest Human Highlight Reel]

I like ROH, but their title is not a world title. Anyone who argues too strongly otherwise is likely a ROHbot.

Can you give any reason as to why it isn't?

[World's Worst Man 0]

Do people purposely ignore certain glaring facts, or are they just too dense to understand why they're relevant?

[Scroby 0]

WWE's title is considered the WORLD's title. I don't care what anyone says but the WWE title is considered the highest belt you can get, barnone.

[Hawkius Maximus 0]

That's some sound logic there, yo.

 

I'd try asking a Japanese wrestler that. Most, if not all of them would answer either GHC, TC, or IWGP. WWE is a passing interest to 99.5% of all Japanese wrestlers. Muto is the exception, not the rule.

 

So...by that logic, that makes them just as important as the WWE WORLD title, right?

[World's Worst Man 0]

WWE's title is considered the WORLD's title. I don't care what anyone says but the WWE title is considered the highest belt you can get, barnone.

 

By fanboys with no knowledge outside of one promotion maybe.

[Guest Hotbutter Spoontoaster]

I guess by that logic the WWE US & Intercontinental titles are world titles since they've been defended in every continent outside of Antarctica.

If WWE wanted to call them the "WWE World United States Title" and the "WWE World Intercontinental Title", then yes.

[Guest Human Highlight Reel]

The WWE championship is only the highest in that it has the most exposure, and that's leaving out Japan. There are plenty of titles that have more respect and are more legit as a World Championship.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

If you're talking prestige on a worldwide basis, then I guess the WWE Title is the most important title to casual wrestling fans. If you're talking from a booking perspective, then the ROH Title is the only one that gets booked like the old NWA World Title was, in that it does get defended in different countries against wrestlers from different promotions. Prestige aside, it's the only title that gets handled like a world title should be.

[World's Worst Man 0]

And that's only because there are more wrestling fans in the US than in Japan or Mexico. In terms of past historical significance and importance in the promotion, the IWGP and TC smoke it. And today, the GHC title is probably the most legitimate, given how it's treated and booked and given that the old TC lineage essentially travelled with Kobashi to NOAH, and given that Misawa basically carries the tradition of Baba and Jumbo, as he was the last true heir of their legacy.