NFL Week 12

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

I'm just glad that team is putting forth some real effort this season and, with all these rookies presumably being even better next year and a few more additions, hopefully Favre will stick around for another year or two.

 

Is that what you really want? I have nothing against the guy, but I haven't seen anything the past two years to suggest that Favre is more than a mediocre quarterback at this point. He just tries way too hard to be the gunslinger he was ten years ago and it just kills the team in any close game. Wouldn't next year be a great time to finally hand over the team to Rodgers?

[snuffbox 0]

No.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Guess who's back to replace Tom Walsh as OC of the Raiders?

 

http://sportsline.com/nfl/story/9834585

[CanadianChris 0]

Guess who's back to replace Tom Walsh as OC of the Raiders?

 

http://sportsline.com/nfl/story/9834585

Same shit, different pile.

[Guest Felonies!]

I'm just glad that team is putting forth some real effort this season and, with all these rookies presumably being even better next year and a few more additions, hopefully Favre will stick around for another year or two.

 

Is that what you really want? I have nothing against the guy, but I haven't seen anything the past two years to suggest that Favre is more than a mediocre quarterback at this point. He just tries way too hard to be the gunslinger he was ten years ago and it just kills the team in any close game. Wouldn't next year be a great time to finally hand over the team to Rodgers?

I don't think the Packers have much faith in Rodgers. Doesn't McCarthy want two more years of Favre?

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

Then why did they draft the guy with a first round pick? Rivers, Campbell, Losman, Young, Leinart, Cutler, Grossman, Romo... you have to make the switch sometime.

[Guest Princess Leena]

It comes down to GB getting some balls and not being afraid to damage Brett's ego. I definitely think Brett still has game, but the Pack aren't winning anytime soon. And Brett definitely isn't going to embrace the lame duck, train the next QB role. Even just watching the games, and especially warmups, you can see how negative Brett is towards many of the younger players. He basically only respects Driver and Green. At some point they just have to move on.

[snuffbox 0]

Green Bay should draft another qb next year and build him up. Just because Rodgers went in the first round doesn't mean he's going to pan out. He's another Tony Mandarich, though not nearly as big of a bust.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

Green Bay should draft another qb next year and build him up. Just because Rodgers went in the first round doesn't mean he's going to pan out. He's another Tony Mandarich, though not nearly as big of a bust.

 

The guy has thrown 31 passes in his entire career. How has he been a bust? Maybe if they had a QB who was interested in training the guy he'd be better off. Why are GB fans so attached to Favre?

[devo 0]

I can imagine it'd be hard to let go of one of the best ever, especially considering that he's spent virtually all of his lengthy career in Green Bay.

[Hawk 34 0]

Green Bay should draft another qb next year and build him up. Just because Rodgers went in the first round doesn't mean he's going to pan out. He's another Tony Mandarich, though not nearly as big of a bust.

 

The guy has thrown 31 passes in his entire career. How has he been a bust? Maybe if they had a QB who was interested in training the guy he'd be better off. Why are GB fans so attached to Favre?

 

Why are Bird and Orr so endearing to Boston?

[CanadianChris 0]

I can imagine it'd be hard to let go of one of the best ever, especially considering that he's spent virtually all of his lengthy career in Green Bay.

The Niners did it to Montana. It's business, and no one should think of it as anything else. The Packers shouldn't be holding onto him if it keeps them from moving forward.

[teke184 0]

Not sure if you guys read this, but part of why Farve started this week was that Rogers is on IR for the rest of the year.

 

He got hurt last week, as he was QBing while Farve was being checked on the sidelines.

[devo 0]

I can imagine it'd be hard to let go of one of the best ever, especially considering that he's spent virtually all of his lengthy career in Green Bay.

The Niners did it to Montana. It's business, and no one should think of it as anything else. The Packers shouldn't be holding onto him if it keeps them from moving forward.

 

I understand. I don't necessarily agree with how the Packers have handled with the situation, I'm just trying to present their possible reasoning for wanting to stick with Favre for just a little longer.

[Robert 0]

I think that the drafting of Rodgers was because he was the most talented player available at the time. The only position that I think that we could've drafted was a linebacker, and the talented ones were pretty much gone and those left had character toubles, etc. I personally wished that we would've drafted Roth who plays for Miami. With Romo, nobody knew that he'd be this big of a hit. Drafting Leinart, Young, or Cutler would've been stupid since we needed AJ Hawk due to the lack of good outside linebackers on the team.

 

Don't give up on Rodgers, just yet. I honestly think that he has the potential to run the west-coast offense pretty good. In pre-season, he looked more comfortable as a QB then he was last year. When he got into a regular season game, it was a 48-3 and a 35-0 blowouts by Baltimore and New England. You can't learn anything about a new QB when there put in the game during garbage-time. We saw that Romo still could be a starter as the Giants game when it was still competitive.

 

I saw Mandarich at Michigan State, and he was a beast. Everybody thought he would be the tackle of the future. Big (at the time), strong, athletic, and people talked how this guy could stop some of the most dominant pass-rushers in the league at the time. Little did we know that he did roids, didn't have the feet to play tackle, and get ran over by Reggie White, Kevin Green, Trace Armstrong, and a blitzing Ronnie Lott. Hell, I've called for Favre to be benched, especially during the 2005 season after the Bengals game.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

Not sure if you guys read this, but part of why Farve started this week was that Rogers is on IR for the rest of the year.

 

He got hurt last week, as he was QBing while Farve was being checked on the sidelines.

 

I think we all know why Rodgers wasn't out there this week. We are talking about McCarthy wanting Favre back for the next two years. If that's true, they burned a first round pick on an heir to Favre who will do nothing but hold a clipboard for the length of his contract.

 

Favre was a great player and a legend in Green Bay, but sometimes you have to move on. The team isn't in playoff contention, so maybe they should start eyeing towards the future.

[Guest Felonies!]

Green Bay should draft another qb next year and build him up. Just because Rodgers went in the first round doesn't mean he's going to pan out. He's another Tony Mandarich, though not nearly as big of a bust.

 

The guy has thrown 31 passes in his entire career. How has he been a bust? Maybe if they had a QB who was interested in training the guy he'd be better off. Why are GB fans so attached to Favre?

You know what, I've gone through like three or four potential responses, but I gave up. I don't know how you're supposed to explain something like "why are Packers fans attached to Brett Favre." I'm going to go read another thread.

 

Okay: he led the Packers to a Super Bowl and he's one of the best quarterbacks in history. The fans are never going to just wad him up and free-throw him into a garbage can. Wisconsin isn't Massachusetts. (Though maybe it's like Vermont. But you get what I mean.)

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Then why did they draft the guy with a first round pick? Rivers, Campbell, Losman, Young, Leinart, Cutler, Grossman, Romo... you have to make the switch sometime.

 

I agree with this in principle, but Rivers was behind Brees, Campbell behind Brunell, Young behind Awful Kerry Collins and Volek, then there's Warner, Plummer, and Romo this year behind Bledsoe in one of the worst years of his career. Aside from Vince Young, Grossman might have been behind perhaps the worst group of QBs with Kordell Stewart and Chris Chandler, then Orton who only did exactly what he had to do on his streak.

 

None of these guys is anything like a Brett Favre, who is among the all-time greats, still has a little gas in the tank, and has command over the team like a general. Not to mention the fact that he could run for mayor of the city he plays in and receive every single vote, aside from two families of displaced Lions fans or some shit.

 

I agree with your principle, but the situations are totally different. Favre hasn't been completely fucking them and losing the game almost singlehandedly. There's a LOT of big gaping holes on that team; starting the team's legendary leader isn't the worst decision.

 

Should he start blowing games blatantly, I'm also fine with that. Start Favre.

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

Okay, I'm sorry that I implied that GB fans should be ready to throw Favre on the trash heap. That wasn't what I was trying to say. I just thought that the two sides could work something out that's good for Favre and the team, because the current situation doesn't really benefit anyone. But I'll rest my case for now.

[Guest Felonies!]

People's dads wore Brett Favre jerseys at my high school graduation. One even with, yes, Zubaz pants. I am not making this up.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Okay, I'm sorry that I implied that GB fans should be ready to throw Favre on the trash heap. That wasn't what I was trying to say. I just thought that the two sides could work something out that's good for Favre and the team, because the current situation doesn't really benefit anyone. But I'll rest my case for now.

 

Which again, is a good idea in theory, but any way that it's implemented is benching the face of the franchise for some guy who ain't Favre, ending his streak. The only way Brett can leave that doesn't (in a visible manner) disgust the entire team and fanbase would be retirement or injury.

[Guest Vitamin X]

What all the non-Green Bay fans who haven't the slightest clue about the Rodgers/Favre situation aren't realizing is that the decision to take Aaron Rodgers in the first round a couple years back was a first-time GM along with a horrible former GM's decision predicated on the fact that they still felt they had a good team with Favre ready to go, at that time. I felt, and still do, that they should've taken a defensive lineman with that pick, and as evidenced by last year and this year, it would've done us a ton of good. A new safety or guard to replace the departing Darren Sharper, Mike Wahle, and Marco Rivera (all crucial to the team's success in prior years) would've still helped out the team today. If they had even taken like a Lofa Tatupu for example, and he played as well as he did, even with the Packers finishing with a high draft pick they could've had Leinart or Cutler (no Vince Young, please).

 

But with hindsight being 20/20 and all, that's just my opinion. The fact, however, is that Brett Favre is playing just the same now as he did a couple years back, minus some accuracy issues. He knows where to throw the ball, he's got a rocket arm and some decent mobility left, he's not an elite QB maybe, but he's still top 10. And just what he brings in leadership ability rivals that of any of the best QB's in the league.

 

Re: his retirement, I think he maybe has next season left and that's that. He should really stop after 2008. 14 seasons is long enough for a QB. I would prefer he make his decision when to reitre heading into the year also, ala Reggie Miller, but I doubt that'll happen.