WON News + Notes, 27th November

[GODSON 0]

There's three great newsbites from this thread.

 

3.Borash is OUT. Borash is worst than all the divas. I'm glad he's gone.

 

he embodies the minor league feel to the show

Of all the things that make TNA look minor league, Jeremy Borash is way down on the list.

 

I want to see this list.

[Hawk 34 0]

There's three great newsbites from this thread.

 

3.Borash is OUT. Borash is worst than all the divas. I'm glad he's gone.

 

he embodies the minor league feel to the show

Of all the things that make TNA look minor league, Jeremy Borash is way down on the list.

 

I want to see this list.

 

The roster consisting of WCW's main event at it's death period.

Horrible re-hashes of storylines circa 1998.

Tremendously rushed show with 42 talent and characters shoved into a 42 minute show.

A horrible commentating crew that has zero ability to sell the moment as it stands and ruins it with their idiocy.

The name, TNA.

Vince Russo and Jim Cornette's involvment.

Their roster hardly stands apart from the others.

Low visibility.

 

A spot interviewer is probably about 25 more things below.

[benoit4hor 0]

I agree Borash looked really minor league, he's horrible.

 

But nothing looks more minor league than Don West standing in front of what look's like a booth at a county fair, promoting new DVD's.

 

I also have a problem with the tin siding in the backstage area, and the TNA turnbuckles.

[GODSON 0]

But nothing looks more minor league than Don West standing in front of what look's like a booth at a county fair, promoting new DVD's.

 

Don West actually put a smile on people faces. He looks like a guy having fun and is at least likeable. Nothing about Jeremy Borash is likeable.

 

 

The roster consisting of WCW's main event at it's death period.

 

I don't know if I totally agree. Nash is entertaining and is one of the most popular wrestlers in TNA who is love by all type of fans. Konnan is the same thing and neither do Nash or Konnan wrestle. When Steiner was there he was great. Jarrett is TNA, it's no way around that,more people associate JJ with TNA than WCW. DDP been gone for awhile. Sting is the only guy that is not entertaining and he's not that offensive.

 

Horrible re-hashes of storylines circa 1998.

 

Give you that one but WWE is doing the same thing. WWE just have better presentation to hide the fact.

 

Tremendously rushed show with 42 talent and characters shoved into a 42 minute show.

 

Agree but it does not make them look minor league. Look at the last sentence on the page.

 

A horrible commentating crew that has zero ability to sell the moment as it stands and ruins it with their idiocy.

 

Don West is great and is the best announcer in sports entertainment. Mike Tenay is HORRIBLE.

 

The name, TNA.

 

Agree, they need to go back to NWA:TNA

 

Vince Russo and Jim Cornette's involvment.

 

Funny but at least Russo was the HEAD creative guy for a number 1 promotion. Cornette is the definition of minor leagues,good and bad.

 

Their roster hardly stands apart from the others.

 

Agree to a certain extent, there are guys who stands out from the rest.

 

Low visibility.

 

That's a result of the problems,not the cause.

 

I can at least think of something positive out that list but not with Borash.

 

Doing your top show in a studio,giving out free tickets and using cheap props is what makes Impact and TNA in general look minor league.

[goldengreek 0]

Don west need to be fired

[CubbyBr 0]

Pretty much every big moment TNA has had in the last couple months has been watered down by Tenay and West's constant yapping. Take LAX's entrance for example. LAX's entrance is as good as DX's was back in 1997 when they first came on the scene. What made it so great was that Ross and Lawler would shut the hell up and let their charisma soak in. With LAX, the minute they come through the curtain West and Tenay are talking a mile a minute and making it impossible to keep your attention on the performers. That's just one example. And the thing with West is that he's supposed to be a color commentator but he adds no color to the action at all...the only thing he does is yell about the stuff that's going on that we can already clearly see with our own two eyes.

[Guest netslob]

i remember once i was watching a tape of TNA and a Borash interview segment was playing, my mother walked by, took one look at Borash and said "Who's this faggot?" i fucking died laughing.

[reign 0]

I tried to give TNA a chance but I am just convinced that somehow that ring makes people retarded...the booking of the shows mystifies me because you get both Memphis and Attitude but it's all so second rate with out good talkers to pull it off...and unitl they fire West and do something else with Tenay then TNA is finished..they can run Angle vs Joe vs Cage for free at 8 pm on NBC and the announcing will still fucking ruin it...

[King Cucaracha 0]

The Angle vs Joe match went 13:31. However, the plan was for it to go at least 20. Everyone on the undercard had it made very clear to them that they could not go long under any circumstance. However! During the match, Angle just decided that that they'd gone on long enough and made the call to go to the finish. Angle refusing a handshake and heeling wasn't a bad idea, but would've been much better if they hadn't already done two handshakes earlier in the show. The match itself was great for what it was, but wasn't long enough to live up to the hype fully.

 

Okay, so let's all remember in the future this one was Angle's fault.

[Si82 0]

i remember once i was watching a tape of TNA and a Borash interview segment was playing, my mother walked by, took one look at Borash and said "Who's this faggot?" i fucking died laughing.

 

On a different note, Don West is fucking awful. His constant shilling just winds me up and the guy looks like a used car salesman.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

I think Tenay and West need to remember that the company is Total Nonstop Action, not "Total Nonstop Talking."

[Mike wanna be 0]

I think Tenay and West need to remember that the company is Total Nonstop Action, not "Total Nonstop Talking."

QFE. When West isn't rambling or trying to shill something, he's very entertaining; comes across as a guy who loves his job and is just having a lot of fun. Tenay just rambles on and on, calls every single move (going so far as to call moves that happened 10+ seconds ago if DW happened to be talking and he chose not to interrupt) and is about as entertaining as reading the dictionary.

Announce teams are supposed to gel together and tell a story to improve the quality of every on-air segment the show has. Tenay's too busy hollering about "AJ Styles walking to the ring, left foot first, NOW THE RIGHT, Oooooooooooh the left one comes back and here comes the right!"

[Hawk 34 0]

Tenay got his start calling lightweight matches, which explains his constant jabbering but doesn't excuse him of not changing to a traditional and more endearing play call style.

[bob_barron 0]

Tenay and West just sound so insincere.

 

Even though "Godylocks YOU WHORE" was amazing

[Dobbs 3K 0]

I liked Tenay's heel turn towards the end of WCW. Maybe they could bring out that aspect of his persona a little more. I'm not saying make him a full fledged heel, but maybe make him more critical of things going on. They did do that recently with the LAX flag burning thing, I guess.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

The problem is that Tenay and West are two color commentators, and while they can be good ones, they need an actual announcer to steer things and to set up the major points and and storylines that Tenay and West can then explain. At this point, I'd even consider bringing in Tony Schiavone for the announcer spot.

[Man Who Sold The World 0]

I thought Tenay was channeling the spirit of Schiavone circa 97-98?

[CubbyBr 0]

The problem is that Tenay and West are two color commentators, and while they can be good ones, they need an actual announcer to steer things and to set up the major points and and storylines that Tenay and West can then explain. At this point, I'd even consider bringing in Tony Schiavone for the announcer spot.

 

I always thought Scott Hudson was a pretty solid announcer. He would definitly be an improvement over Tenay. They could add Nash, Simon Diamond, or even Don Callis as a color commentator. They need someone that could get over the angles in a calm and logical way instead of just screaming about them and taking away from something that could potentially be good.

[Hawk 34 0]

Hell, even Prazak would be a good pick up.

[luke-o 0]

My only problem with West is that he says "right there" all the time.

 

Im sort of glad borash is gone, but im not optimistic about some chick who apperantly isnt very good.

[Man Who Sold The World 0]

source: Wade Keller

 

--The 11/23 Thanksgiving edition of TNA iMPACT! drew a final 0.86 (or 0.9) cable rating, which has to be considered a big success given the holiday and competition taking place during that night.

 

--Because of the holiday, it was hard to get a strong indicator of much ratings wise with TNA's second week in primetime at 9pm ET/8pm CT. We may have more on this rating very soon.

[The Niggardly King 0]

TNA is in such bad shape from Russo that they've had two record-setting PPVs for themselves despite keeping the same audience.

 

Take Kurt Angle out of those PPVs and you would probably have dramatically different buy numbers.

I'd like to think that nobody would seriously try to give Russo any sort of credit with the buys for Bound For Glory or Genesis. Kurt Angle was the dynamic that boosted the buys for BFG and Genesis.

 

As much of a problem as Russo is, and he is a problem, as much blame should go with Jarrett and Mantell for not putting their foot down and stopping some of this nonsense from making the air.

 

You can't see what's happening? They're letting Russo have free reign so people will be begging for them to have all the power back once again.

[King Cucaracha 0]

Hell, even Prazak would be a good pick up.

 

Prazak tends to slip from play by play to colour too much to be a solution to the problem. They need a strict play by play guy really. I'm not sure Prazak is that guy.

 

Plus, they might have him replace Borash in the meantime, leading too some TOO DAMN LOUD backstage interviewing.

[luke-o 0]

Will they be keeping him to do the main event annoucing? Ive always liked the boxing style intros for that.

[uhftv 0]

The Borash thing is weird because its one of those news items that has nothing to do with the product, will not affect anything at all in the least, but it's reported on because it shows that companies make weird decisions that dont address any of the big problems.

 

He was one of those Russo lackeys that did whatever the company told him to, he just wanted to contribute, even back when wcw was dying. The only thing that struck me as noteworthy is wwe would see him as goodlooking and talented and try to replace Lawler with him.

Every company has to have their token broadcasting guy that everyone hates but the company thinks they love: Cole, Grisham, Justin Roberts (who?) even the Miz for god sakes

 

A problem they DO need to address which is the case since the beginning: Tenay and West are trying to do the exact same thing which isnt working. People who dont know the backstory about Tenay really dont like him for his look and his yelling. He's stated what he likes about his job is he gets to say exactly what he wants. That's his only selling point is that he knows alot of stuff so why doesnt he just say it and leave it at that. They dont need to outyell each other.

 

I loved West when he didnt know what he was talking about but he'd go crazy. Now that he knows the product and understands the business he does a better job with the schilling. He doesnt need Tenay to do the same. Tenay should never have to raise his voice ever.

 

Interesting point is West was actually hired by Russo for some strange reason which I actually give him credit for, just for trying something different. He would be an interesting test case as he knew nothing about wrestling they just threw him into it and I'm convinced he understands it better than Russo now. Being a new fan in the past he could plainly see what was going on, trying to find logic and sense, and he knows now to say 'this shit dont make no sense.'

 

 

When Russo has a parting of ways (hopefully) I can TOTALLY hear him and all Russo apologists saying, even years from now," he's responsible for the biggest tna ppv buyrates in history, why dont u people leave him alone and give another 6 figure contract."

 

This will become fact over time so i want to put it on record now that i disagree.

[uhftv 0]

You'd think when the champion(Sting)...doesn't want to lose by DQ they'd let him lose clean. Considering it's usually the opposite happening, and the DQ finish usually turns out horribly.

 

 

Sting should have worked out a Montreal double cross swerve with Abyss and the ref to find a way to get himself pinned instead of that lame-o Russo finish.

 

You know a company's in the toilet when a big star who some would argue is/was overpushed and overpaid says "let me lose clean to help the company and they reply "No you must lose by STUPID DQ"

 

Is that another master plan to become big: we'll force our top guys to refuse to lay down for others and we want them to be selfish and protect their spots? that's a great idea.

 

I was never a huge fan of using Sting so much in the first place but once the deal was done i was hoping it would be for longterm growth and i was also looking forward to a little break from Jarrett in the top spot for a while. It's not even the new year yet and alot of the longterm planning theyre known for seems to be out the window. It pains me even more that they have someone willing to work with and put over other talent no questions asked and they still screw it up.

[Superfly Snuka 0]

2. Abyss finally has a backstory that will be exposed. I never understood his character or where he came from. They finally add another dynamic to his character.

 

Uh, hello, he's kane and mankind's illegitimate love child. I thought everyone knew this.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

You know a company's in the toilet when a big star who some would argue is/was overpushed and overpaid says "let me lose clean to help the company and they reply "No you must lose by STUPID DQ"

And how rare is that? You NEVER get a name like Sting actually wanting to lose clean. He wanted to lose clean and they turned him down. You just know that the next big name TNA actually do want to lose clean is going use this as a reason not to do it.

 

When Russo has a parting of ways (hopefully) I can TOTALLY hear him and all Russo apologists saying, even years from now," he's responsible for the biggest tna ppv buyrates in history, why dont u people leave him alone and give another 6 figure contract."

 

I think we already had one of Russo's fans try and give him credit for the buy rates for BFG and Genesis.

[CubbyBr 0]

I think we already had one of Russo's fans try and give him credit for the buy rates for BFG and Genesis.

 

I'm not gonna give him credit for all that but if the buyrates for BFG/Genesis (and the ratings leading up to the PPV's) would have tanked he'd be the first one all the blame would be put on.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

If the buy rates and ratings had tanked, the blame would have gone to TNA creative as a whole for getting Kurt Angle and still finding a way to not make people care.