It Looks Like Austin Is Gone For Good

[Guest jimmy no nose]

Was the story this time that he wouldn't work with Brock?  The WWE finally seems serious about pushing someone new and if Austin wouldnt work with him then he should be let go.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Again, you have to look who he was working with. Match ratings differ from person to person. I feel a lot of Austin's matches being bumped up past four-star level are either markish or sentimental reasons. Anything from four to five should be VERY good, and damn near flawless. I, for one, though the Austin/HHH NWO match was overrated. As for elevating people, how many times has he lost a major match?

Out of that list, how many did he lose? Or better yet, bet -pinned- for?

 

On Hall..was it wrong of the WWF to want the nWo to beat their biggest face? They could have been an actual threat if Austin had been feeling generous. Instead, we get him humilliating THEM. Some team player he is. That's a big money angle right there, ruined by one man's selfishness. I'm sure a prosperous nWo would've brought in cash for the whole company. Indirectly helping Stone Cold. But he didn't, because the nWo was bad. Hall was bad. Unprofessional. Whatever.

 

..and this 'taking action'..do I believe he's doing it for the sake of the company? For the sake of his fellow wrestlers? Hell no. The only thing he wants is to be the focus of the company again. The world sure is right and good when Steve Austin is the one and only..but god help us if it switches to somebody ELSE. IMO, the writing last year was just as bad as it is now. Was he complaining then?

 

..oh..wait. He was WWF Champion..

 

-Shiro

[Guest]

Funny thing is that the only time someone "big" is missing for a show, I only notice that I'm being entertained considerably less if it's Jericho, Angle or Rock who's missing. Undertaker, Trips, Austin, I don't notice being gone. I don't notice if they don't give an interview or cut a promo either. I DO miss when the former three do though. I think this says something about why ratings are dropping.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

I thought RAW was allright..well..except for Vince and Flair. I think it's the fact you'll never know what Jericho/Angle/Rock will do..but Austin (What?), Trips (..the game..uh..), and Taker (Respect Me) tend to blab for god awful ammounts of time. Besides, the former three are more entertaining IN the ring was well as out of it.

 

-Shiro

[Guest]

Considering that he was booked for about 25% of the show I don't understand what the problem is there. He was supposed to work a match with Brock Lesnar and that seems to be where the problem lies. Either he didn't want to job to Brock, or he just didn't want to work with Brock period. Ratings might take a hit (they are already) but this will force to the WWE to elevate new stars even faster. The fill-in angle last night was a disaster, that worries me. Austin won't be forgotten but if he's gone it's not like fans are going to pine away for him. It's not like Stone Cold was going to turn things around for the company. He was the top star, and one of the top two or three of all time. Arguably the best. But that day is done. If he wouldn't help out with putting new talent over, or even working with them. Better he go then take from them and not give anything in return.

The picture is a little more complicated. RAW has been revolving Austin ever since the split. Now that he's gone the entire direction for that show has to change... not only that, but I think some of you aren't realizing that by Austin leaving, he won't be able to give Eddie Guerrero or Chris Benoit the rub, and they will most likely be put back in the midcard. Benoit has a better chance at becoming a main eventer than Eddie so Eddie really needed the rub, and even with Benoit, a run with Austin would've only done good for him

 

And as for the WWE fans not really "pining" for him... well, the same was said when Flair left WCW in 91, several years after his "prime" and as I recall, "we want Flair" chants were the norm for every WCW event up until Flair's return

 

EDIT - Year change

[Guest Luke Cage]

Are WWF workers still considered independant contractors? Just curious...

[Guest Human Fly]

It is definately too bad for Eddy and Benoit. The only thing that they can possibly gain out of this is by saying that Eddy "ran" Austin out of the WWE.

 

"And as for the WWE fans not really "pining" for him... well, the same was said when Flair left WCW in 92, several years after his "prime" and as I recall, "we want Flair" chants were the norm for every WCW event up until Flair's return"

 

It is a possibility that they might start wanting him back. BUt today's wrestling fan and 10 years agos wrestling fan are different. WCW fans could turn on the tv and see Flair on WWF. WWE fans won't be able to see Austin anywhere unless they live in his hometown and run into him at the grocery store. Also, Flair was always around the title. Challenging for it or holding it. Austin hasn't even had a title shot since February, and hasn't had the title since December. If he comes back in a few months he will get a huge pop, but I don't think there will be chants anytime soon.

[Guest Vyce]

Hey, bigjig, I just want you to know that I FULLY support Austin.

 

I also supported Bret, back in the day, mainly because I hate every fucking individual who bitches that Hart didn't "do what was right for the company" by not jobbing to Shawn at Montreal, specifically because the majority of those individuals gloss over every instance when Shawn didn't do what was right for the company by not jobbing himself.  I just hate the hypocrisy that everyone shits on Bret, when Shawn faked a fucking injury to get out of jobbing to Bret before.  Yet when Bret doesn't want to drop the strap to Shawn in front of a "hometown" audience, he's the dick.  Whatever.

 

And for the record, I've never been a big Hogan basher, and if Hogan was pulling this shit right now, I honestly wouldn't be that concerned.  Because for all of the evil that Hogan has done, I perceive the Cliq to be that much more malicious and malevolent.

 

The true litmus test as to how much power the Cliq now holds will be determined at the King of the Ring.  If HHH wins the title from Taker (and I expect he will), than you'll have your answer.

 

If I was Austin, I wouldn't want to stick around in an environment where all of my enemies had the stroke of the company behind them.  He lived through 96 / 97, where the heat was mostly on Bret.  This time it would be upon him, and at this point in his career, he'd probably rather retire than to deal with those assholes.

 

And I for one, would not blame him for it.

 

Call me a fucking hypocrite, I don't care.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

"Are WWF workers still considered independant contractors? Just curious..."

 

Yeah they are, but that means nothing. "Independant contractor" is just a euphemism for "non-union", it doesn't mean you can walk out on a legally binding contract. Vince should sue Austin if this crap continues.

 

And for everyone defending Austin because he's "taking a stand against the poor writing" and "he's a great wrestler and a big draw", consider the following scenario:

 

Randy Moss, a great player with proven results and also a big ticket draw, shows up at practice. He's feuding with his coach, upset about the team's poor play last season, he doesn't like the play selection being shown to him, or how often he will be passed to during the next game, and he's mad that one of the other receivers will be the focal point of the offense for a game or two. So, he walks off the field, flies home, and refuses to play until the Vikings change their coaching staff and game philosophy to suit his desires. Now, whose side would you be on in that dispute? Thought so.

[Guest Shaved Bear]

Randy Moss, a great player with proven results and also a big ticket draw, shows up at practice. He's feuding with his coach, upset about the team's poor play last season, he doesn't like the play selection being shown to him, or how often he will be passed to during the next game, and he's mad that one of the other receivers will be the focal point of the offense for a game or two. So, he walks off the field, flies home, and refuses to play until the Vikings change their coaching staff and game philosophy to suit his desires. Now, whose side would you be on in that dispute? Thought so.

you make a good point, but the WWE absolutley needs Austin to survive, if Randy Moss was to walk out they could just find another reciever to take is place, because there are thousands out there competing for his job, and there  is more urgency.

 

While alot of people in the developmentals would sure kill for Austin's "spot" on the roster, its well known that it wou;ld only be used for more nwo time

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Considering Austin didn't squash any single one of those men does it matter who beat him?  Honestly, did any of them look bad because of Austin?  Infact, Benoit came out looking like gold, so did Kurt (until they turned him goofy again..which is not Austins fault).  So why does it matter if the opponent comes out BETTER than he was before, even if he does lose?  Austin doesnt give meaningless loses like HHH does, when someone beats him it benefits them (look at RVD, he beat Austin and got sent up the cards...where is dvon and test after they beat HHH?)

 

Where the NWO match w/ HHH WAS overrated, (I included it because most people believe it was a MOTYC) Austin/Angle from RAW and Austin/Benoit from Smackdown were off the charts and have been underrated.  And it still doesn't disprove the fact that Austin went out and busted his ass for everyone of those 20-30 minutes when he is in there.

 

Last time I checked Vince Mcmahon killed the NWO angle, not Austin.  Vince is notorious for not pushing things that aren't his own creation coughwcwcough.

 

This is what you believe.  You hear this one report off the internet, you assume a ton of things, and you cruicify a man for taking a charge.  For all you know Vince was planning another Hogan title run and Austin said no. You don't know what the Wwf was planning, it could have been bad for the fans and the wrestlers.  

 

The writing during the Invasion was bad, but it had an ounce of direction and possibility, this split, this nwo, has no direction whatsoever.  Hell, look at the ad for KOTR.  When the Wwf doesn't have a plan for its biggest star what does that say about the rest of the company?  Oh yeah, Taker sure is somebody ELSE.  HHH is somebody ELSE.  HBK is somebody ELSE.  Come on now.  They all were promoted while Austin was in the Wwf before so why would he have a hissy fit over them being pushed now?  

 

...oh...wait.  You have no fuckin clue.

[Guest]

Good riddance to Austin. Bottom Line, Austin has basically been doing what Xpac has been doing: Being a damn prima donna and whining. Serously, Austin is just mad because he isn't the main eventer he used to be, that he isn't the champion 24/7 now, and that he actualy *Gasp* Has to job!

 

And I'm an Austin fan.

[Guest Brian]

"I also supported Bret, back in the day, mainly because I hate every fucking individual who bitches that Hart didn't "do what was right for the company" by not jobbing to Shawn at Montreal, specifically because the majority of those individuals gloss over every instance when Shawn didn't do what was right for the company by not jobbing himself.  I just hate the hypocrisy that everyone shits on Bret, when Shawn faked a fucking injury to get out of jobbing to Bret before.  Yet when Bret doesn't want to drop the strap to Shawn in front of a "hometown" audience, he's the dick.  Whatever."

 

I support Bret's decision, because everything Michaels did, but it's still essentially wrong. As a guy so grounded in tradition, he failed to oblige to one of the top territory rules: droping the belt and jobbing clean on your way out. Matter of fact, he wasn't even going to job. I'm not going to gloss over anything Shawn did, and essentially they were both worng.

 

"Randy Moss, a great player with proven results and also a big ticket draw, shows up at practice. He's feuding with his coach, upset about the team's poor play last season, he doesn't like the play selection being shown to him, or how often he will be passed to during the next game, and he's mad that one of the other receivers will be the focal point of the offense for a game or two. So, he walks off the field, flies home, and refuses to play until the Vikings change their coaching staff and game philosophy to suit his desires. Now, whose side would you be on in that dispute? Thought so."

 

Did Moss get shoved aside to a lesser role when much older, past their prime talent came? Did Moss get his one request, to work with the one worker he thought could help his career, but than get pushed aside to work with a green stiff who has very little going for him or his character and very little upside to putting him over, even giving him a lsight rub, because that alone would either get lost in the mix or damage his character or hurt his potential to draw in the long-term? It's a good analogy in thought, but if you really look at how Austin brought the company back from the dead, worked through a major injury, fought back to return from the injury and regain his stride, and than get pushed aside for something he (and almost everyone in the WWE) once stood against, the very essence of what they rebelled against; it's two different situations.

[Guest Human Fly]

Here's what the Torch says:

 

-Sources today say that Steve Austin was asked to do a job to Brock Lesnar, and that Austin felt he didn't want to be "used" in hotshot angles with no build up in order to try to pop a rating so the writers could make themselves look good at his expense. He had expressed concern that he was going to be used as a pawn to make up for overall bad writing and didn't think that even if Brock was ready to be elevated by beating him, that such a match should be thrown together with only one day's notice. Because of his concerns not being addressed time and time again, he finally decided to just walk out. There may have been other reasons beyond last night's plans.

 

-WrestleMania checks were just issued, and some of Austin's discontent may stem from his pay, although our source admits that's just speculation due to the timing of yesterday's events.

 

-A number of WWE wrestlers and members of management aren't thrilled that Austin didn't stick around Raw on Monday and make every effort to reach a compromise with Vince McMahon over the situation. Some believe that when McMahon told Flair in the ring on Raw that Austin should have had the guts to show up and tell him to his face that he wasn't going to be at Raw, that he was really sending a message to Austin about his disappointment with how he handled his walk out.

[Guest Mark4steamboat]

Austin hasn't been over with the crowd as much lately. Him not doing promos and just coming out at the end of a show was not working IMO. WWE is crumbling in front of our eyes. Something seriously is going to have to be done in order to save the company and save viewers.

[Guest Luke Cage]

Wasn't trying to connect the indie contractor term with the current situation, just curious.

During times like this I'm amused to see how many people leap to the defense of McMahon. As a long time fan I remember times when McMahon ranked somewhere below Satan and Hitler on popularity charts.  Regardless of how many new sites we visit, we will never really know what goes on behind the scenes. The whole fiasco could be staged. If it's legit, maybe there's an issue that we just don't know about.

 

"Those who know, won't tell. Those who'll tell, don't know."

The Mayor from Do The Right Thing

[Guest Just call me Dan]

I totally agree with Austin and I applaud him.  It isn't 100% confirmed yet, but I'm willing to bet Vince wanted Brock to go over Austin on RAW to start this new direction.

 

Brock - Not over.  Tweener.  Decent look, has a good aura.  Will make it big more than likely.  

 

Steve Austin - #1 in the company for the last 5 years. Getting older but still hands down one of the true greats remaining. Can still work, can still talk. Over. Carried the company on his back. Bailed Vince out countless times. Has the experience, has paid his dues, and has been the cornerstone of Vince's company through the good and the bad.

 

Brock Lesnar pins Steve Austin. NO

 

Steve putting Lesnar over? Steve????

 

Hey Steve, why don't you lose to Scott Hall at Wrestlemania when you just had the best year (arguably ) of your career? NO

 

Here's WWE Raw for you, or the product in general.  You have a desparate Vince not paying attention to anyone but trying to bring in EVERY old and rehashed bullshit angle ever even to the point of bringing in BISCHOFF.  You have HBK, Nash, and Xpac all together in a group, with HBK taking shots at The Rock for holding down, of all people HHH?!?!?!?

 

Your daughter is a head booker and her boyfriend is a wrestler who even sits in the production meetings?

 

The ratings suck, even with nearly every marketable talent ever signed.  

 

The man who should be at the top, is in the mid card, has no say.

 

While at the same time you have 2 guys over 50 as top faces. A 500 pound lazy ass getting $1 mill a year to do nothing.  Broken down clique members who are just politicking once again because they can't even wrestle. the Champ is wrestling Tommy Dreamer in a puke fest!!

 

The top talent in the company, RVD, Benoit, Eddy, Jericho, Angle , Booker all in pointless crap angles.

 

Austin is right, so he got a little bold. Thank you Austin.

 

You kick ass.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

Maybe Bret should have done the same thing when he was asked to work with and put over midcarder Steve Austin in 1996? Nah, despite the shell of a person he is today, Bret was more professional than that.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Obviously, they are getting some sense of direction. Everybody is blasting Vince for winning, but I see it as them finally getting SOME sense of what they're doing. Booker will turn face, which is what we've been saying. Eddy and RVD are tearing the house down every time they get in the ring. Those are the guys that deserve to get the spotlight.

 

("Biggest Star"? That's arguable. It seems to me the ratings drop when Rock leaves, not Austin.)

 

Perhaps the "lack of direction" they're feeling with HHH, Taker, Austin..stems from the fact getting these guys in any sort of angle requires negotiating a peace treaty? Sure, they'll fight each other..(and guys like Angle/Benoit), but anybody else is a no-no. Wouldn't want anyone else to get HEAT off you, at all. Hell, Brock beating Austin in a KOTR qualifying match would be the kind of thing that sends shockwaves through the audience. THAT is a rub. Austin beating Flair was not. Those guys were at the level they don't need to give each other any sort of rub. Except for the 'hyuck, hyuck, he's pissing on him, or cleaning his toilet' "humor" the Austin win would have spawned, had he showed up.

 

Not everything is Vince's fault. Or the booking teams fault. Or HHH's fault. (I know, it's a shock to me too..). These 'top caliber' guys most of the time have massive egos. Only Rock (of the true main eventers) seems to be an exception. I'm not basing things on 'one little story'. I'm basing on years of watching WWF TV. Years of hearing things. Guess what? Austin's been doing the exact same thing since 98, except for the little "heel turn" that wound up having no effect except plastering his face all over tv. Does he deserve to have the belt right now because he was good last summer, or last year, or two years ago? Does he deserve to be the main focus of the promotion? The so-called direction?

 

Have they had a sense of direction since last year? No. There really wasn't much of a direction during the InVasion, either, but was he complaining then? How about before WrestleMania when everybody knew Rock stood no chance in hell of winning? Wouldn't want to put him over, or anything. Austin has been the single revolving point of the fed every time he wasn't injured, except now. And guess what, now he's complaining? That's just crap. Egotistical, whining crap.

 

I don't care who you are. If they tell you to job, you do it. If they tell you to get beaten down, you do it. These guys should have some say in what they're doing, yes, but this is no different from the "crap he put up with in WCW". We blame Triple H for being a 'political player'. I hate to tell all of you, but 'ol Stone Cold is no slouch, either. He can't sleep with the bosses' daughter, so he just sits home and dosen't show up. That's "playing politics", too.

 

Why should he be at the top? I'm sure if Steve got what he wanted, it'd be Austin in the ME instead of Triple H. The same old combo of HHH/Austin/Taker/ with Hogan added. Screw Benoit, or RVD, or Eddy. I doubt he's complaining at the "lack of direction" as much as it is about his lack of a push. This is the first time he's not the focus of the fed, so it's time to bitch.

 

Hell, the writing wasn't that good during the Russo era either. The writing has NEVER BEEN stellar. Why now?

 

-Shiro

[Guest Sakura]

Those new notes from the Torch do not make it seem like Austin is gone forever. It's way too early to be talking about Austin like he is gone. This happened last time.

[Guest]

How is it that benoit & Guerro are in crap angles when they where in a angle with Austin?

 

And remember this: We wouldn't have had Vince vs. Flair last night if Austin hadn't whined and bitched.

 

Austin has come to be what he hated the most: The Old Guard.

[Guest Brian]

"Austin has come to be what he hated the most: The Old Guard."

 

No. Old guard never left. There's no room for Austin yet.

[Guest bob_barron]

Regardless of whether Brock is over or not-

 

Vince pays Austin money so Austin should do what Vince says.

 

Austin should've done the job like a man and not acted like a stuck up asshole. Rock does jobs all the time- and he just headlined a huge movie.

 

Austin is a quitter plain and simple. I bought tickets to see him at a house show in june and he just walks out without warning.

 

Fuck him.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

How much does Randy Moss make a year?  How many games does he play a year? Ah, yeah.  Apples and Oranges.

 

Um, ask anyone in the Wwf.  They are burnt out, they are tired, they have no idea what they are doing the next week.  HBK was called up a day before and asked if he could be on Raw.   Booker Ts face turn was made JUST for HBK's heel turn (ya sorta noticed how Booker was extra-facey the past two weeks?)  I agree that Eddie and RVD should get more time and they were the ONLY change in pace on RAW last night.  But hey, you see that empty glass as half full.

 

And when the Rock returns... Ratings are the same.  Austin draws fans, has been doing so for years.  WHAT.  I said has been doing so for years.  The drop in ratings IMO is from the Wwfs screwing its fans over and over and over again coughwcwcough.

 

Brock beating Austin wouldn't have done anything except confuse the fans.  Elevating guys too quickly never does any good because the fall is sometimes too harsh for them to handle.

 

Why would it be Vinces fault?  He just runs the company and has final say over everything.  Austins heel turn was a good idea but was handled poorly, and he as leader of the Alliance was terrible.  HOWEVER, is this his fault?  I mean, the invasion angle was horrible to begin with.  Shane owning Wcw, Lance Storm running in on a Saturn match, Steph owning ECW.  All of this outside Austins bubble, so I doubt you can attribute that storyline to him.

 

Austins deal with JJ was valid too.  Jarrett was never top star material , proved it in WCW, and Austin knew it.  I don't want Austin to have the belt, but he deserves better than what he is getting...or at least is justified in wanting more.  When you work your ass off just to get ignored why would you stay?  Does the Wwf deserve to have Austin stay?  Since they pay him oh so very much money.

 

How do we know Austin wasn't complaining?  The Invasion is where they started booking on the fly maybe Austin wanted to give it a chance.  Maybe he thought it was a short term thing.  Maybe he wanted to stick it out till wrestlemania and if things didn't improve by then, then he would make his stand.

 

Oh, so if you get beaten down for no reason you do it?  If you know that nothing good will come of it, and you see the company spiraling down the toilet you do nothing about it, right?  Cause lord knows you have no investment in the success of the company.  Losing to Brock Lesnar made no sense, especially how he was feuding with Bubba Ray frikken Dudley a week ago.  Lets not forget how fucking bad Lesnar is in the ring as well.  He almost took RVD's headoff by slamming him into the turnbuckle, if he had done that to Austin, Steve would have been in the hospital.  But oh, if they tell you to risk your life in the ring, YOU DO IT.  

 

The thing is, Austin isn't anywhere NEAR the top right now.  You doubt, you doubt, you don't even know!

 

Here is what we know.

 

-The Wwf has a bad product that shows no signs in improving (talk about rvd/eddy all you want, I will point to TLC 3 and what happened a month after).

 

-Austin was at a position on the card which was not indicative of his drawing power and fan base.

 

-Austin has been having problems with management and writing for a while now.

 

-Austin left.

 

Can we all agree on this?  Now, all those who want change raise your hands *counts* good, all of you.

 

All of those who think change would have happened naturally raise your hands *counts* hmm, some of you are fools.  The Wwf has 'changed' half a dozen times in the past year and nothing really changed!  What makes you so sure things would change now?

 

All of those who think someone needs to take a stand and force change raise your hands *counts* ok, good.  So what is wrong with Austin trying to force change?

 

The Wwf always had direction.  Up to Wrestlemania last year the Wwf always thought 3 months in advance for major storylines, maybe even a year for the really big ones.  Right now the Wwf has no idea what is going to happen at Summerslam, Hell, they have no idea what is going to happen at KOTR!!

[Guest bob_barron]

Austin's idea of change was probably 2001 when the whole show revolved him.

[Guest Just call me Dan]

Thank you, Rudo.

 

I would have liked to have said that, but I doubt I could have presented those points in an intellegent post like that.

*reads his last post, sulks*

 

I don't want Austin to come back and just be the top face with the belt again, he doesn't need that.  It looks bad in a lot of ways that he walked out. But, just like Rudo said, it WILL force change.

 

Right now, the change is bad, Flair/Vince.  More Vince on my TV, might as well call it the mWo.  Vincent K has all the spotlight and will for a while, culminating in the greatly anticipated Hogan/Vince match of the century

 

*struck down by lightning, gets up*

 

I think Austin will stay gone a few months, ratings will tank. Vince will apologise and slowly rebuild.

 

Austin will have the last laugh, as he should.

 

Fuck the old news about JJ.

OK he was WCW Champ, never gined the credibility. Call him the Justin Credible of WCW. Austin was right. It wouldn't have been good for either.

 

Instead you have him working with Foley, Rock which was good.

 

Mr. Ass? Nuff said.

 

Scott Hall? Smart move, look where he is now.

 

Brock Lesnar was the next on the List. I'd say Austin will be right about this one too.

[Guest whatitistoburn]

I'm slightly confused about something, and maybe you guys could help me out.  

 

Why exactly would Austin have a problem with putting Brock over?  I mean, he gave Brock one hell of a verbal blowjob on Byte This 2 weeks ago from what I've heard (although he did say the whole "next big thing" gimmick sucked).

[Guest bob_barron]

Austin should do what Vince tells him to do since Vince pays his salary and was the guy who pushed him in the first place.

[Guest Brian]

I'm sure it's not just this that culminates with Austin leaving. It's years of stuff. I mean, it could go as deep as Rock probably getting star treatment when he comes back and austin still probably bitter that Vince didn't allow him to accept movie roles in the past.

 

 

As I walk through

This wicked world

Searchin' for light in the darkness of insanity.

I ask myself

Is all hope lost?

Is there only pain and hatred, and misery?

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

How many years does everyone think Austin has left in him, if everything was hunky dory backstage? I mean, he's pretty much the walking wounded right now.

 

I give him 18 months before either he injures the neck again and has to leave, or decides the run has gone on long enough and doesn't want to risk getting hurt again. So, in that time what do you do? You bring other people over.

 

People are saying he had good matches back in early 2001 and I say same thing people respond with when others talk about how good HHH used to be until X-7. That would be, "That's great, but if he can't bring it in the ring nowadays, what good is it?"

 

Look at Austin's past matches. Look at that Undertaker snoozer. Look at that Lumberjack match where he still got to pin Booker T even with 18 other guys against him.

 

Speaking of the Undertaker, look at the people he's been working with lately. For instance, Randy Orton. Even Keith noticed how Taker was selling Orton's offense. Tommy Dreamer, a guy who I don't think will personally go anywhere but was missing almost all of last year. And now the Hardyz.

 

Do you think the Undertaker is walking into the booking office and saying "I want a feud with the Hardy Boyz?" I doubt that. But he isn't bitching about working for the company for eleven years and then running with midcarders. Possibly because he has the belt around his waist, so we'll have to see what happens. Still, it's a pretty good comparison.