All-Time, All-Star Baseball Team

[vivalaultra 0]

Yeah, so, since there's been alot of All-Time and All-Star Baseball team threads lately, I thought one more wouldn't hurt, and I freely admit to shamelessly stealing this idea from UTB. Anyway, take your current favorite team and make an All-Time Greatest 25 man roster. I'll start with my 'Stros

 

1B-Jeff Bagwell

2B-Joe Morgan

3B-Ken Caminiti

SS-Dickie Thon

LF-Lance Berkman

CF-Caesar Cedeno

RF-Jose Cruz

C-Alan Ashby

 

P-Roy Oswalt

P-Mike Scott

P-Nolan Ryan

P-JR Richard

P-Mike Hampton (sorry, Rocket. I need a lefty.)

 

 

RP-Dan Wheeler!!!!!!!!!

RP-Dave Veres

RP-Joe Sambito

RP-Darryl Kile

RP-Dave Smith

CL-Billy Wagner

CL-Brad Lidge

 

IF/OF/C-Craig Biggio

OF-Jimmy Wynn

IF-Phil Garner

OF-Kevin Bass

C-Brad Ausmus

 

This was more difficult than I had anticipated, and I admit to having more than a couple sentimental picks.

 

Edit: Despite my disdain for Joe Morgan, I couldn't leave him off the list, even though he didn't really blossom until he left Houston and went to the Reds. Therefore, Morgan and Biggio platoon at 2B, and Biggio also sees time at catcher and a little bit in the outfield, in the case of an injury of an extra inning game.

[Guest]

With a self inflicted cap that they had to play for 3 years with the club to make the team...

 

1B-Gil Hodges

2B-JACKIE!

3B-The one real weak spot over this franchise's history, so I'll go with Ron Cey

SS-Pee Wee Reese

LF-Joe Medwick

CF-Duke Snider

RF-Kirk FUCKING Gibson

C-Mike Piazza

 

Wow, this part's going to be hard.

 

P-Sandy Koufax

P-Don Drysdale

P-Don Newcombe

P-Don Sutton

P-Fernando

 

CL-Mike Marshall

CL-Eric Gagne

RP-Fuck it, I'm going with Dazzy Vance in the long reliever spot.

RP-Clem Labine

RP-Ron Perranoski

RP-Tom Niedenfuer

 

IF-Eddie Murray

IF-Maury Wills

OF-Frank Howard

OF-Willie Keeler

C-Roy Campanella

 

I wanted to do some digging, not pick guys like Maddux and Rickey that were here for a short while. It's a lot more fun this way. Looking at it, this franchise has fallen on hard times over the past twenty years. The guys that I picked for the team from that time period were nearly the only ones I could even consider. I probably should have put Steve Garvey on instead of Eddie Murray. I was a big Eric Karros fan when I was a kid, and I considered him too. This team's starting pitching and starting position players could beat any team that could ever be created, and there's a few other franchises that could do the same. It's like the all-hustle team.

[vivalaultra 0]

Looking at the Dodgers team, I just can't wait to see the All-Time Yankees or all-time Red Sox teams. When doing mine, I tried doing the same thing with limiting it to people who had actually played for the team for a length of time, which is why Randy Johnson nor Clemens made the rotation and include, mostly, guys that I had a somewhat good knowledge of. Looking at my final 'Stros roster, there's not alot of SUPERSTARS!!!!!! on the team, but they're all pretty much solid, and, one thing I'll say about the Astros, they've always had really good, really underrated pitching. Guys like Veres and JR Richard and Bob Knepper and Sambito and Dave Smith. Really good pitchers.

[humanoid92 0]

Metropolitans:

 

Hopefully Wright, Reyes, and Beltran end up on this list someday, but for now, off the top of my head, it's:

 

C- Piazza

1B- Hernandez

2B- Alfonzo

3B- Ho-Jo

SS- Harrelson

OF- Mazilli

OF- Agee

OF- Strawberry

 

P- Seaver

P- Koosman

P- Gooden

P- Cone

P- Leiter

P- Fernandez

P- Rick Reed

P- Franco

P- Orosco

P- McDowell

P- McGraw

 

Bench

 

C- Carter

1B- Olerud

1B- Kranepool

SS- Elster

OF- Cleon

OF- Staub

 

Apologies to: Ventura, Glavine, Benitez, Viola, Darling, Dykstra, Mookie, McReynolds, Hundley, etc.

 

No apologies to Anthony Young, however.

[CanadianChris 0]

I knew we'd done this before...updated from three years ago:

 

Toronto Blue Jays:

 

C - Ernie Whitt (1977-89)

1B - Carlos Delgado (1994-2004)

2B - Roberto Alomar (1991-95)

SS - Tony Fernandez (1983-90, 1993, 1998-99, 2001)

3B - Kelly Gruber (1984-92)

LF - George Bell (1981-90)

CF - Devon White (1991-95)

RF - Jesse Barfield (1981-89)

DH - Paul Molitor (1993-95)

 

Bench:

Lloyd Moseby (1980-89)

Joe Carter (1991-95)

Pat Borders (1988-94, 1999)

Fred McGriff (1986-90)

Alfredo Griffin (1979-84, 1992-93)

Vernon Wells (1999- )

 

Rotation:

Dave Stieb (1979-92, 1998)

Juan Guzman (1991-98)

Jimmy Key (1984-92)

Pat Hentgen (1991-99, 2004)

Roy Halladay (1998- )

 

Bullpen:

Tom Henke (1985-92)

Duane Ward (1986-95)

Mike Timlin (1991-97)

David Wells (1987-92, 1999-2000)

B.J. Ryan (2006- )

[CanadianChris 0]

Montreal Expos:

 

C - Gary Carter (1974-84, 1992)

1B - Andres Galarraga (1985-91, 2002)

2B - Jose Vidro (1997- )

SS - Chris Speier (1977-84)

3B - Tim Wallach (1980-92)

LF - Tim Raines (1979-90, 2001)

CF - Andre Dawson (1976-86)

RF - Vladimir Guerrero (1996-2003)

 

Bench:

Moises Alou (1990-96)

Larry Walker (1989-94)

Rusty Staub (1969-71, 1979)

Rondell White (1993-2000)

Darrin Fletcher (1992-99)

Delino DeShields (1990-93)

Mark Grudzielanek (1995-98)

 

Rotation:

Pedro Martinez (1994-97)

Dennis Martinez (1986-93)

Jeff Fassero (1991-96)

Javier Vazquez (1998-2003)

Bryn Smith (1981-89)

 

Bullpen:

Jeff Reardon (1981-86)

John Wetteland (1992-94)

Mel Rojas (1990-96, 1999)

Ugueth Urbina (1995-2001)

Steve Rogers (1973-85)

[Vern Gagne 0]

Can I include the old Senators with the Twins?

[vivalaultra 0]

Sure. What would an All-Time Greatest Team be without Walter Johnson and Goose Goslin?

[Vern Gagne 0]

Twins only

 

C-Joe Mauer (2004-

1B-Kent Hrbek (1981-1994)

2B-Chuck Knoblauch (1991-1997

SS-Greg Gagne (1983-1992)

3B-Harmon Killebrew (1961-1974)

LF-Tony Olivia (1962-1976)

CF-Torii Hunter (1997-

RF-Kirby Puckett (1984-1995)

DH-Rod Carew (1967-1978)

 

Bench

Brian Harper (1988-1993)

Gary Gaetti (1981-1990)

Roy Smalley (1976-82. 85-87)

Bob Allison (1961-1970)

Paul Molitor (1996-1998)

 

Starters

SP-Bert Blyleven (1970-76. 86-88)

SP-Jim Kaat (1961-1972)

SP-Frank Viola (1982-1988)

SP-Johan Santana (2000-

SP-Brad Radke (1995-2006)

 

Bullpen

Joe Nathan (2004-

Rick Aguilera (1989-1999)

LaTroy Hawkins (1995-2003)

Eddie Guardado (1993-2003)

Juan Rincon (2001-

Jim Perry (1963-1972)

[Mik 0]

Ok - Marlins:

 

C: Pudge Rodriguez

1B: Derrek Lee

2B: Luis Castillo

SS: Edgar Renteria

3B: Miguel Cabrera

RF: Gary Sheffield

CF: Juan Pierre

LF: Moises Alou

 

Bench:

Jeff Conine

Charles Johnson

Craig Counsell

Bobby Bonilla

Cliff Floyd

(Dave Magadan)

 

SP:

Josh Beckett

Dontrelle Willis

Kevin Brown

AJ Burnett

Brad Penny

 

BP:

Bryan Harvey

Todd Jones

Joe Borowski

Armando Benitez

Matt Mantei

 

CL: Robb Nen

 

I did that off the top of my head so I'm probably missing someone important.

[Dandy 0]

Cincinnat Reds

 

C - Johnny Bench

1B - Tony Perez

2B - Joe Morgan

3B - Pete Rose

SS - Barry Larkin

LF - George Foster

CF - Ken Griffey, Jr.

RF - Frank Robinson

 

P - Jose Rijo

P - Tom Seaver

P - Bucky Walters

P - Tom Browning

P - Jim Maloney

 

Bench

OF - Eric Davis

OF - Wally Post

OF - Dave Parker

C - Ernie Lombardi

IF - Ted Kluszewski

IF - Dave Concepcion

IF - Buddy Bell

 

Relief Pitchers

Rob Dibble

Randy Myers

John Franco

Pedro Borbon

Jeff Brantley

[HarleyQuinn 0]

Note: This was harder than it should have been... and yes, I'm aware I'm only carrying 8 pitchers.

 

Boston Red Sox

C: Carlton Fisk (1969 - 1980)

1B: Jimmie Foxx (1936 - 1942)

2B: Bobby Doerr (1937 - 1951)

SS: Joe Cronin (1935 - 1945)

3B: Wade Boggs (1982 - 1992)

LF: Ted Williams (1939 - 1960)

CF: Tris Speaker (1907 - 1915)

RF: Manny Ramirez (2001 - 2006)

DH: Carl Yastrzemski (1961 - 1983)

Bench: Duffy Lewis (1910 - 1917) LF

Bench: David Ortiz (2003 - 2006) 1B

Bench: Jason Varitek (1997 - 2006) C

Bench: Dom DiMaggio (1940 - 1953) CF

Bench: Nomar Garciaparra (1996 - 2004) SS

Bench: Johnny Pesky (1942 - 1952) 3B

Bench: Dwight Evans (1972 - 1990) RF

Bench: Harry Hooper (1909 - 1920) DH

 

SP #1: Pedro Martinez (1998 - 2004)

SP #2: Roger Clemens (1984 - 1996)

SP #3: Lefty Grove (1934 - 1941)

SP #4: Cy Young (1901 - 1908)

SP #5: Luis Tiant (1971 - 1978)

RP: Bob Stanley (1977 - 1989)

RP: Ellis Kinder (1948 - 1955)

CL: "Smokey" Joe Wood (1908 - 1915)

[vivalaultra 0]

Well, with Rocket, Pedro, Lefty, and Cy Young, you don't really need a bullpen. They're each good for about 500 innings a year.

 

The Houston Chronicle actually had an article about this exact same subject today, and the All-Time Astros' Lineups (including batting order, not including bullpen) they came up with are better than mine, so here they are:

 

'A' Team:

 

Craig Biggio 2B

Dickie Thon SS

Jeff Bagwell 1B

Lance Berkman LF

Ken Caminiti 3B

Cesar Cedeno CF

Jose Cruz RF

Alan Ashby C

Nolan Ryan P

 

Rotation: Ryan, Joe Niekro, J.R. Richard, Dierker, Mike Scott

Setup: Larry Anderson (I can't believe I forgot Larry Anderson. Not only was he a great set-up man, he also brought Bagwell to Houston.), Joe Sambito

Closer: Billy Wagner

Manager: Phil Garner

Announcer: Gene Elston

 

(If this were truley the 'A' team, I'd replace Dierker in the rotation with Oswalt and make Dierker the manager. I love Phil Garner, but Dierker was the better manager.)

 

'B' Team:

 

Billy Doran 2B

Terry Puhl RF (I also forgot Puhl in my list.)

Jimmy Wynn CF

Bob Watson 1B

Moises Alou LF (I shoulda stuck Moises on my list. He was excellent his entire stretch with the Astros.)

Doug Rader 3B

Roger Metzger SS (the Adam Everett of the 1960s and 70s)

Brad Ausmus C (It goes to show how deep the Astros' catching is when Brad Freakin' Ausmus is the 2nd best catcher all time. Har har.)

Don Wilson P

 

Rotation: Wilson, Roy O, Bob Knepper (another underrated Astros' pitcher), Shane Reynolds, Ken Forsch

Manager: Larry Dierker

Announcer: Milo Hamilton

 

I think a 'C' lineup could be made of all the guys that Houston traded away before they got big or the guys that only got really good after they left, i.e.-Johan Santana, Bobby Abreu, Curt Schilling, Joe Morgan, Rusty Staub, hopefully not Willy Taveras, Jason Hirsh, and Taylor Buchholz, etc.

[Styles 0]

YOUR All-Time Baltimore Orioles, assuming all players in their prime years with the Os:

 

Manager: Earl Weaver

Coaching Staff: Davey Johnson, Joe Altobeli, Cal Ripken Sr., George Bamberger, Ray Miller, Rick Down, Elrod Hendricks.

 

C: Chris Hoiles

1B: Eddie Murray

2B: Bobby Grich

SS: Cal Ripken, Jr.

3B: Brooks Robinson

RF: Frank Robinson

CF: Brady Anderson

LF: Ken Singleton

DH: Rafael Palmeiro

 

C: Rick Dempsey

1B: Boog Powell

2B: Roberto Alomar

SS: Miguel Tejada

OF: Paul Blair

 

SP: Jim Palmer

SP: Mike Mussina

SP: Dave McNally

SP: Mike Cuellar

SP: Mike Flanagan

 

CL: Gregg Olson

RP: Randy Myers

RP: Hoyt Wilhelm

RP: Tippy Martinez

RP: Dick Hall

RP: Stu Miller

 

Rounding out the 40 Man:

 

SP: Milt Pappas

SP: Scott McGregor

SP: Mike Boddicker

SP: Steve Barber

SP: Steve Stone

 

1B: Jim Gentile

2B: Davey Johnson

SS: Mark Belanger

SS: Luis Aparicio

3B: Doug DiCinces

OF: Al Bumbry

OF/SS/3B: Melvin Mora

OF/3B: BJ Surhoff

OF/1B: Jeff Conine

DH: Harold Baines

 

Radio Announcers: Chuck Thomson and Jon Miller

TV Announcers: Mel Proctor and John Loewenstein

[CanadianGuitarist 0]

Quick question: Is this exclusively limited to a player's success in that uniform? If so, I'm gonna remove Guzman from the pitchers list and give it to David Cone. If not, I'm gonna basically copy CanadianChris' Blue Jays, but put Olerud on the bench instead of Fred McGriff.

[CanadianChris 0]

I thought of that but I really think McGriff was a better first baseman than Olerud as a Blue Jay, despite Olerud having the tenure and rings (and being one of my favourite Jays ever). Johnny O really only had the one dominant season in Toronto.

 

I went with success with the team only. Even then, I left Clemens off the list, because I hate the guy.

[migoli 0]

Hey Verne i cant think of anyone right now betterthan Mauer but there has to be someone betterthan Mauer. To be fair he has only had 1 great season, that cant be the best C of all time can it?

 

Like i said i cant think of anyone so i am by no means knocking your list i just have to believe there was a better C.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Not to speak for Verne, but first off he's using Twins only, so that makes it 1961-2006. I think there is no doubt Mauer will be the franchise catcher, the only thing he needs is to accumulate playing time. He's tenth on the list of games played at catcher, he should be 6th this time next year if he enjoys a healthy season. Here are a few leaderboards...

 

GAMES G

1 Earl Battey 853

2 Butch Wynegar 794

3 Tim Laudner 734

4 Brian Harper 730

5 George Mitterwald 514

6 Glenn Borgmann 442

7 A.J. Pierzynski 430

8 Jerry Zimmerman 407

9 Terry Steinbach 347

10 Joe Mauer 306

 

HITS H

1 Earl Battey 768

2 Brian Harper 767

3 Butch Wynegar 697

4 Tim Laudner 458

5 A.J. Pierzynski 430

6 George Mitterwald 377

7 Joe Mauer 358

8 Terry Steinbach 309

9 Glenn Borgmann 277

T10 Dave Engle 218

T10 Matt Walbeck 218

 

RCAP RCAP

1 Joe Mauer 79

2 Earl Battey 65

3 Brian Harper 60

4 A.J. Pierzynski 49

5 Mark Salas 14

6 Dave Engle 7

7 Paul Ratliff 5

8 Butch Wynegar 4

T9 Greg Myers 2

T9 Mike Redmond 2

 

AVERAGE AVG

1 Joe Mauer .321

2 Brian Harper .306

3 A.J. Pierzynski .301

4 Earl Battey .278

5 Terry Steinbach .256

6 Butch Wynegar .254

7 George Mitterwald .239

8 Matt Walbeck .230

9 Glenn Borgmann .229

10 Tim Laudner .225

(minimum 1,000 PAs)

[Vern Gagne 0]

It was close between Mauer and Harper. Harper's got the numbers. I just think Mauer already is the best catcher in team history.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

If you're going to go with a catcher besides Mauer, you've got to take Earl Battey. His raw numbers are unimpressive because he played in the 1960s. He won three Gold Gloves however and represented the Twins four times in the All-Star game. Harper never made an All-Star team.

[TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0]

Guess.

 

C Yogi Berra

1B Lou Gehrig

2B Tony Lazzeri

SS Derek Jeter

3B Graig Nettles

LF Joe DiMaggio

CF Mickey Mantle

RF Babe Ruth

 

C Bill Dickey

C Thurman Munson

1B Don Mattingly

OF Reggie Jackson

OF Bernie Williams

IF Willie Randolph

 

SP Whitey Ford

SP Jack Chesbro

SP Ron Guidry

SP Red Ruffing

SP Lefty Gomez

 

RP Mariano Rivera

RP Goose Gossage

RP Dave Righetti

RP Sparky Lyle

P Catfish Hunter

P Andy Pettitte

 

MGR Casey Stengel

[RHR 0]

Oh yeah. I've got my Cubbies all handled right here...

 

C Gabby Harnett---One of the top players of the 30s, and Al Capone's buddy

 

1B Mark Grace-Most hits in the 1980s, pure Cub attitude

 

2B Ryne Sandberg-One of the Top 10 2B's all-time

 

3B Ron Santo--Better get in the HOF before Diabetes takes his life

 

SS Ernie Banks-Played Shortstop in his career, Mr. Cub

 

LF Billy Williams--400+ Home Runs

 

CF Lou Brock---Stupid, stupid trade

 

RF Sammy Sosa-Ended on a bad note, but, owned Wrigley in the late 90s

 

BACK UP CATCHER---Jody Davis, if only for Harry's Jody Davis song

BACK UP 1ST Derrick Lee---Who, with time, pushes Gracie out of the way

BACK UP 3RD Aramis Ramierez---Him and Lee, with Soriano in the lineup, could make the Cubs fun to watch

UTILITY Ken Hubbs---1962 NL Rookie of the Year, died in plane crash before anyone could know his potential

PINCH Hack Wilson---NL Record for RBIs in a season, no room in my starting lineup

BACK UP OUTFIELD Andre Dawson--1987 NL MVP

BACK UP OUTFIELD Keith Moreland--Just so I can hear my announcers go "Zonk"

 

SP Fegie Jenkins---Hall of Famer

SP Mordecai "Three Fingers" Brown---Hall of Famer

SP Greg Maddux---Future Hall of Famer

SP Charlie Root---Great pitcher, gave up the "called shot"

SP Carlos Zambrano---Could move up to the top if he stays

MRP Dennis Eckersley---Was a starter with the Cubs, so, I am putting him here, only based on the Closers

MRP Mark Prior---Still could be big time, we have to see

MRP Rick Sutcliffe---Red Baron, major reason we won NL East in 84

CLOSER Lee Smith---All-time Saves Leader at one time (I think Hoffman passed him)

CLOSER Bruce Sutter---Hall of Famer, started with the Cubbies

 

Announcers: We got Harry Carray, Jack Brickhouse, and Steve Stone. With guest celebrity Bill Murray. Top that.

 

Cubbies in the bleachers not playing, but partying with us: Ron Cey (oh, come on, the hope of every Husky kid of the 80s), Dave Kingman, Kerry Wood (until he hurts himself clapping), Delino DeSheilds (my favorite name of the early 80s, Soriano (and...he could join in the game when Gracie decides he'd rather drink with us)

 

My team gets to play in Wrigley, no lights, daytime doubleheader, against a bunch of high school kids in Yankee jerseys, just so we can watch the Yankees get the crap kicked out of them. And we get at least one of their World Series trophies.